My zero-defect Vista - let the flames begin!

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Gary wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Frank wrote:
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>>>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>> False.
>>
>> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>
>> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>
>> XP and SP2
>>
>> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>
>> Alias
>
> WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well maybe they
> will get it in about 20 or so years.
>
>

LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.

Alias
 
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:59:06 -0700, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:59:31 -0700, Henry wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Really!
>>>No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works
>>>perfectly including my old custom stuff from W95 days. Speed is
>>>about the same as XP. Vista repairs itself, defrags the drive,
>>>protects my work, solves problems on its own. The sidebar has
>>>seriously useful gadgets that make life easier. Files and
>>>folders are now easier to find, in any of several ways.
>>>
>>>I came by looking for more joy, gadgets, exploitation stories,
>>>and high fives -- and learned that people happy with Vista don't
>>>waste time here. That leaves the rest...
>>
>>
>> I'm glad it works for you. Judging by the volume you may be in the
>> minority.
>>
>
> Only if you can't count!
> Frank

Come on frankie, don't get your panties in a twist. I said he/she 'may be
in the minority' - if you can prove otherwise, I'd be interested to see it.
 
Henry:

I hope you hang around for a while. This forum needs a little sanity and it
seems you can provide it.


"Henry" <not@all.com> wrote in message
news:f7r48b$sj6$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>I have been in computing since the 1950s (vacuum tubes, magnetic donut
>memory). For most of my years, everything in a system was made by one
>company - the computer, accessories, peripherals, software, etc., and that
>company trained operators, who were generally "programmers".
>
> For a computer to run today, it must be compatible with an astonishing
> spectrum of processors, mother boards, peripherals, and software made by
> diverse people and companies ranging from geniuses to incompetent, working
> in many different communication and programming languages. And to further
> complicate things, there are smart but emotionally troubled people who
> deliberately seek to screw up such systems with various sorts of malware!
>
> Today's users range from two years old up to my age, and I'm not certain
> which age group has more skills. There probably are two computers
> somewhere that are more than a year old and are identical, with precisely
> the same configuration, software, hardware, etc., operated by
> similarly-skilled people. Somewhere.
>
> That Windows (or OSX, or Linux, etc.) does so well under these conditions
> is wonderful, a tribute to our collective ingenuity. Part of the reason is
> the feedback system - we call it beta. Linux, of course, is in perpetual
> beta, which is part of its attraction to those who seek the comfort of
> knowing things others don't. And one of the reasons it's such a poor
> solution is that so few make money at it.
>
> As mentioned, Vista works well for me. I think it works fine for most, and
> that those with problems look for solutions in such discussion groups as
> this, which has become a pit of discontent. And worse, advocates of other
> operating systems, or haters of Microsoft (but why? It's one of America's
> great successes!), gravitate to where their passions will be fed.
>
> Henry
> ...a view from seven decades of painful experience
 
"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
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> Gary wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>>>>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>>> False.
>>>
>>> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>>
>>> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>>
>>> XP and SP2
>>>
>>> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well maybe
>> they will get it in about 20 or so years.
>
> LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.
>
> Alias

Oh I forgot about your double standard.
 
ray wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:59:06 -0700, Frank wrote:
>
>
>>ray wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:59:31 -0700, Henry wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Really!
>>>>No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works
>>>>perfectly including my old custom stuff from W95 days. Speed is
>>>>about the same as XP. Vista repairs itself, defrags the drive,
>>>>protects my work, solves problems on its own. The sidebar has
>>>>seriously useful gadgets that make life easier. Files and
>>>>folders are now easier to find, in any of several ways.
>>>>
>>>>I came by looking for more joy, gadgets, exploitation stories,
>>>>and high fives -- and learned that people happy with Vista don't
>>>>waste time here. That leaves the rest...
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm glad it works for you. Judging by the volume you may be in the
>>>minority.
>>>
>>
>>Only if you can't count!
>>Frank
>
>
> Come on frankie, don't get your panties in a twist. I said he/she 'may be
> in the minority' - if you can prove otherwise, I'd be interested to see it.
>

Which part upset you...the panties or the minority...?
:-)
Frank
 
Possum wrote:
> Henry:
>
> I hope you hang around for a while. This forum needs a little sanity and
> it seems you can provide it.
>

>> Henry
>> ...a view from seven decades of painful experience
>


Thanks, my pomposity is often confused with enlightenment.

Henry
....don' need no steenkin' long warrantees
 
I like my Vista too!

Sandy


--
The Sand

God is my "back up." :)
 
GO wrote:

>
> Pirates are not whining about, they already have cracked versions that
> bypass all MS's crap. The only people affected are legimate owner's of the
> software in the first place that have to continually call into MS to
> reactivate Windows.

No, that's not true at all. Legitimate users will become "casual
pirates" when they "loan" their copy of Windows OS to a family member,
friend or acquaintance.
This obviously happens rather frequently and is the main target of
activation and easiest to deter.


Sure they want to stop casual pirates but ultimately
> it's pointless.

It's pointless? Nope, not at all.

The money they lose to casual pirates is a drop in the
> bucket compared to what they've invested in all this technology to prevent
> piracy.

Oh yeah, where did you get that idea from?

If they're goal is to stop/slow casual piracy there are simpler,
> cheaper and better ways to go about it.

Call MS, I'm sure they'll be interested!

People that truly do not want to
> pay for it won't.

Of course they won't, but that's nothing new.
Frank
 
Mike wrote:
>> And now you know what MS said? They will enable the same activation
>> technology for other 3rd party products! So if they hurl all the
>> industry into this stupid anti-piracy strategy...
>> they wont have that many fingers pointing at them alone!
>
> Sounds like a good idea. Pirates are whining about it, it must be
> working.

Pirates are not whining about, they already have cracked versions that
bypass all MS's crap. The only people affected are legimate owner's of the
software in the first place that have to continually call into MS to
reactivate Windows. Sure they want to stop casual pirates but ultimately
it's pointless. The money they lose to casual pirates is a drop in the
bucket compared to what they've invested in all this technology to prevent
piracy. If they're goal is to stop/slow casual piracy there are simpler,
cheaper and better ways to go about it. People that truly do not want to
pay for it won't.
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>>
>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>
> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
> Here's the problem junior...drivers...software/hardware manufacturers
> have literally had years to develop drivers for Vista for their
> products. Yet at Vista's RTM many major software/hardware
> manufacturers were just beginning to develop and release drivers for
> Vista.
> As a prime example, Nvidia video drivers have been notoriously bad for
> months after Vista went RTM and are still somewhat buggy.
> So the only beta testing Vista owners are doing is mainly for the
> crappy drivers from software/hardware manufacturers.
> Same thing goes on with every newly released os, Windows, Mac, linux
> all of them.
> Problem is, Windows owns the desktop market so bad drivers affect more
> users.
> Frank
>

I've actually been curious about this. I realize that some of Vista's
problems are related to third-party developers, but why is this so? Why is
it that they've taken so long to get properly functioning drivers out for
Vista? Vista was in final beta and RC mode for quite a long time, more
than enough time for hardware developers. It would seem to be in their best
interest to create functional drivers for Vista for it's release. Are
drivers that much more difficult to create for Vista? Is MS not providing
enough information to developers to create proper drivers?
 
Frank wrote:
> GO wrote:
>
>>
>> Pirates are not whining about, they already have cracked versions
>> that bypass all MS's crap. The only people affected are legimate
>> owner's of the software in the first place that have to continually
>> call into MS to reactivate Windows.
>
> No, that's not true at all. Legitimate users will become "casual
> pirates" when they "loan" their copy of Windows OS to a family member,
> friend or acquaintance.
> This obviously happens rather frequently and is the main target of
> activation and easiest to deter.

It is true. I've already stated there are other methods to prevent casual
piracy. Education or a simple one time activation upon installation are two
easy examples; all of this continuing calling home and authenticating is
pointless. If neither of those work then they are unlikely to pay in the
first place, and will fall to the other methods to obtain the OS. Want to
minimize piracy? Create a great product at a fair price and people will pay
for it. The RIAA is facing this lesson right now....the hard way.

> The money they lose to casual pirates is a drop in the
>> bucket compared to what they've invested in all this technology to
>> prevent piracy.
>
> Oh yeah, where did you get that idea from?

Common sense. The time to take to develop and implement it. The time to
maintain it. The time to pay call centers to deal with activation issues.

> If they're goal is to stop/slow casual piracy there are simpler,
>> cheaper and better ways to go about it.
>
> Call MS, I'm sure they'll be interested!

I did. They weren't interested. They like the ability to control you and
your computer.
 
Gary wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:%23v$a1ayyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Gary wrote:
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>>>>>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>>>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>>>> False.
>>>>
>>>> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>>>
>>>> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>>>
>>>> XP and SP2
>>>>
>>>> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>> WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well maybe
>>> they will get it in about 20 or so years.
>> LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Oh I forgot about your double standard.
>
>

Ubuntu comes out with a new stable build every six months for free. MS
comes out with buggy betas and foists them on the public for a high
price. If you read the Ubuntu forums, the questions are about how to use
or configure Ubuntu not "OE lost all my messages" or "My computer keeps
rebooting" like with XP and Vista. See the difference or are you blind?

I've been using Ubuntu now for over nine months and I've been using XP
Pro SP2 with all the updates except WGA/N since '02 and I have to say
that Ubuntu is much more solid and much more of a pleasure to use.

Alias
 
Frank wrote:
> GO wrote:
>
>>
>> Pirates are not whining about, they already have cracked versions that
>> bypass all MS's crap. The only people affected are legimate owner's
>> of the
>> software in the first place that have to continually call into MS to
>> reactivate Windows.
>
> No, that's not true at all. Legitimate users will become "casual
> pirates" when they "loan" their copy of Windows OS to a family member,
> friend or acquaintance.
> This obviously happens rather frequently and is the main target of
> activation and easiest to deter.

If true, MS wouldn't have made BILLIONS off of pre XP Windows but they
did make BILLIONS so this theory doesn't hold water as most people are
honest.

>
>
> Sure they want to stop casual pirates but ultimately
>> it's pointless.
>
> It's pointless? Nope, not at all.

It is the main cause for people checking out Linux or Mac.

>
> The money they lose to casual pirates is a drop in the
>> bucket compared to what they've invested in all this technology to
>> prevent
>> piracy.
>
> Oh yeah, where did you get that idea from?

Ever hear of common sense?

>
> If they're goal is to stop/slow casual piracy there are simpler,
>> cheaper and better ways to go about it.
>
> Call MS, I'm sure they'll be interested!

No, they aren't. They are interested in controlling your computer and
you think that's normal! LOL!

>
> People that truly do not want to
>> pay for it won't.
>
> Of course they won't, but that's nothing new.
> Frank

No, but controlling your computer through WPA and WGA is.

Alias
 
The Sand wrote:
> I like my Vista too!
>
> Sandy
>
>

Correction: it is not *your* Vista. You are paying to use it until MS
decides you can't use it anymore.

Alias
 
Alias wrote:

> Gary wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:%23v$a1ayyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I
>>>>>>> call Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>>>>>
>>>>> False.
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>>>>
>>>>> XP and SP2
>>>>>
>>>>> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well
>>>> maybe they will get it in about 20 or so years.
>>>
>>> LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Oh I forgot about your double standard.
>>
>
> Ubuntu comes out with a new stable build every six months for free. MS
> comes out with buggy betas and foists them on the public for a high
> price. If you read the Ubuntu forums, the questions are about how to use
> or configure Ubuntu not "OE lost all my messages" or "My computer keeps
> rebooting" like with XP and Vista. See the difference or are you blind?
>
> I've been using Ubuntu now for over nine months and I've been using XP
> Pro SP2 with all the updates except WGA/N since '02 and I have to say
> that Ubuntu is much more solid and much more of a pleasure to use.
>
> Alias

You're an admitted liar! Go spread your stupid, insidious lies somewhere
else.
BTW, got that phone number yet?
Lying linux lose.
Frank
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Gary wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:%23v$a1ayyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I
>>>>>>>> call Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>>>>>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>>>>>> False.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> XP and SP2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>> WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well
>>>>> maybe they will get it in about 20 or so years.
>>>> LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Oh I forgot about your double standard.
>>>
>> Ubuntu comes out with a new stable build every six months for free. MS
>> comes out with buggy betas and foists them on the public for a high
>> price. If you read the Ubuntu forums, the questions are about how to use
>> or configure Ubuntu not "OE lost all my messages" or "My computer keeps
>> rebooting" like with XP and Vista. See the difference or are you blind?
>>
>> I've been using Ubuntu now for over nine months and I've been using XP
>> Pro SP2 with all the updates except WGA/N since '02 and I have to say
>> that Ubuntu is much more solid and much more of a pleasure to use.
>>
>> Alias
>
> You're an admitted liar! Go spread your stupid, insidious lies somewhere
> else.
> BTW, got that phone number yet?
> Lying linux lose.
> Frank

This is for you, Frank: 1-800-GET-HELP



-Michael
 
I don't see it this way at all. Seems to me most learned their lesson with
XP and drivers for Vista are more available than they were for XP when it
was this far out of the gate.
--------------------
Purring - an automatic safety valve for happiness overflow.



"GO" <aa533@remove.this.chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
news:#J869Z1yHHA.5408@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>
> I've actually been curious about this. I realize that some of Vista's
> problems are related to third-party developers, but why is this so? Why
> is
> it that they've taken so long to get properly functioning drivers out for
> Vista? Vista was in final beta and RC mode for quite a long time, more
> than enough time for hardware developers. It would seem to be in their
> best
> interest to create functional drivers for Vista for it's release. Are
> drivers that much more difficult to create for Vista? Is MS not providing
> enough information to developers to create proper drivers?
>
>
 
MICHAEL wrote:
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23v$a1ayyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I
>>>>>>>>> call Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>>>>>>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>>>>>>> False.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> XP and SP2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>> WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well
>>>>>> maybe they will get it in about 20 or so years.
>>>>> LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>> Oh I forgot about your double standard.
>>>>
>>> Ubuntu comes out with a new stable build every six months for free. MS
>>> comes out with buggy betas and foists them on the public for a high
>>> price. If you read the Ubuntu forums, the questions are about how to use
>>> or configure Ubuntu not "OE lost all my messages" or "My computer keeps
>>> rebooting" like with XP and Vista. See the difference or are you blind?
>>>
>>> I've been using Ubuntu now for over nine months and I've been using XP
>>> Pro SP2 with all the updates except WGA/N since '02 and I have to say
>>> that Ubuntu is much more solid and much more of a pleasure to use.
>>>
>>> Alias
>> You're an admitted liar! Go spread your stupid, insidious lies somewhere
>> else.
>> BTW, got that phone number yet?
>> Lying linux lose.
>> Frank
>
> This is for you, Frank: 1-800-GET-HELP
>
>
>
> -Michael

Really!

Alias
 
MICHAEL wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>>Alias wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gary wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>news:%23v$a1ayyHHA.4652@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I
>>>>>>>>>call Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>False.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>XP and SP2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ill informed drivel snipped.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well
>>>>>>maybe they will get it in about 20 or so years.
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL! Not the same thing, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alias
>>>>
>>>>Oh I forgot about your double standard.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Ubuntu comes out with a new stable build every six months for free. MS
>>>comes out with buggy betas and foists them on the public for a high
>>>price. If you read the Ubuntu forums, the questions are about how to use
>>>or configure Ubuntu not "OE lost all my messages" or "My computer keeps
>>>rebooting" like with XP and Vista. See the difference or are you blind?
>>>
>>>I've been using Ubuntu now for over nine months and I've been using XP
>>>Pro SP2 with all the updates except WGA/N since '02 and I have to say
>>>that Ubuntu is much more solid and much more of a pleasure to use.
>>>
>>>Alias
>>
>>You're an admitted liar! Go spread your stupid, insidious lies somewhere
>>else.
>>BTW, got that phone number yet?
>>Lying linux lose.
>>Frank
>
>
> This is for you, Frank: 1-800-GET-HELP
>
>
>
> -Michael

So michael, that absolves alias from his lying ways?
I don't think so!
Frank
 
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:27:13 -0700, Frank wrote:

> ray wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:59:06 -0700, Frank wrote:
>>
>>
>>>ray wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:59:31 -0700, Henry wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Really!
>>>>>No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works
>>>>>perfectly including my old custom stuff from W95 days. Speed is
>>>>>about the same as XP. Vista repairs itself, defrags the drive,
>>>>>protects my work, solves problems on its own. The sidebar has
>>>>>seriously useful gadgets that make life easier. Files and
>>>>>folders are now easier to find, in any of several ways.
>>>>>
>>>>>I came by looking for more joy, gadgets, exploitation stories,
>>>>>and high fives -- and learned that people happy with Vista don't
>>>>>waste time here. That leaves the rest...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm glad it works for you. Judging by the volume you may be in the
>>>>minority.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Only if you can't count!
>>>Frank
>>
>>
>> Come on frankie, don't get your panties in a twist. I said he/she 'may be
>> in the minority' - if you can prove otherwise, I'd be interested to see it.
>>
>
> Which part upset you...the panties or the minority...?
> :-)
> Frank


I'm not upset, frankie, I simply realize that you seem to have problems
with comprehension, so I thought I'd try to spell it out for you.
 
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