My zero-defect Vista - let the flames begin!

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Alias wrote:

>
> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.

Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
Here's the problem junior...drivers...software/hardware manufacturers
have literally had years to develop drivers for Vista for their
products. Yet at Vista's RTM many major software/hardware manufacturers
were just beginning to develop and release drivers for Vista.
As a prime example, Nvidia video drivers have been notoriously bad for
months after Vista went RTM and are still somewhat buggy.
So the only beta testing Vista owners are doing is mainly for the crappy
drivers from software/hardware manufacturers.
Same thing goes on with every newly released os, Windows, Mac, linux all
of them.
Problem is, Windows owns the desktop market so bad drivers affect more
users.
Frank

Post lying response below.
 
Leo wrote:
> Count me among the many more running Vista with no problems.
>

You're still top posting.

Alias
 
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:03:34 -0400, "KristleBawl"
<kristlebawl@hotmail.com> wrote:

>What you two seem to forget is that Vista is designed for home use, not
>app-intensive business networking, etc.

That a good one! Totally wrong, but funny!
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>>
>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>
> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.

False.

Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?

Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE

XP and SP2

Ill informed drivel snipped.

Alias
 
HA- Vista is designed for home use and NOT business? What have you been
smoking?

You need to take the day off, check into rehab and unplug your computer,
right away :-)


"KristleBawl" <kristlebawl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:uHHsQeuyHHA.4276@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> What you two seem to forget is that Vista is designed for home use, not
> app-intensive business networking, etc.
>
> Vista follows the Win95, Win98, WinME line, *not* the NT family of work
> horse network client machines.
>
> It replaces Win98, WinME and earlier, but is *not* a replacement to Win
> XP. It's another option, a choice.
>
> Geeks can fiddle around more with Linux, office networks run on a server
> OS and NT-type clents, but the bells and whistles, the eye candy, and the
> extra toys are aimed at ordinary consumers running Internet and
> entertainment, and maybe word and calculator for the kids to do homework.
> No one ever claimed it was the one sized fits all power users OS of the
> future, just the "most secure version of Windows so far," as long as you
> add a decent AV.
>
> Think about it! It's designed to protect the *naive* user from
> "installing" something just by visiting a website advertised in a popup.
>
> Why would anyone with advanced experience expect it to be the same as any
> other OS ever released? You need, want and expect something else, I don't.
>
> I'll stick with Vista, thank you!
>
> "carl feredeck" wrote in message news:46a0bd6d$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>I back up your experience with mine and what you say is 100% correct!
>> They are using it either for a very limited number of things or using it
>> as decoration as you say. Other than that.. its a jungle out there and
>> vista is falling apart!
>>
>>
>> "Adam Albright" wrote in message
>>> My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use
>>> their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People
>>> that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have
>>> reported many verified issues with Vista.
>
>
 
Alias wrote:

> KristleBawl wrote:
>
>> You have that backward, junior. A troll comes into a Vista newsgroup
>> to badmouth Microsoft and Vista and preach some other OS. Sound familiar?
>>
>> Allow me to introduce myself. My screenname is KristleBawl and I don't
>> have any problems with Vista, and I not only don't hate it but I'm
>> honestly quite fond of it.
>>
>> Spread your hatred somewhere else. People come here to get help
>> solving Vista issues, or to help others solve their problems, not to
>> listen to a bunch of whiny wannabees cry in their Gerber's because
>> some third-party game won't run on Vista.
>>
>> WHAAAAAAHHH!
>
>
> Ooh, a net nanny. How quaint. Do you also do windows and iron shirts?
>
> Alias


Is that spanish macho talk?
What a stupid insulting bigot your really are.
Frank
 
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 09:22:56 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:

>Alias wrote:
>
>>
>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>
>Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.

That from the clown that admitted it took him SIX MONTHS with the help
of "consultants" before he got Vista to run correctly.

ROTFLMAO!

>Here's the problem junior...drivers...software/hardware manufacturers
>have literally had years to develop drivers for Vista for their
>products. Yet at Vista's RTM many major software/hardware manufacturers
>were just beginning to develop and release drivers for Vista.

That's because Microsoft has a bad habit of changing requirements at
the last minute causing work on drivers already completed to be
redone. Ask any developer.

>Post lying response below.

Your lies already clutter up this newsgroup enough.
 
ray wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:59:31 -0700, Henry wrote:
>
>
>>Really!
>>No freezes, faults, crashes, breakdowns. Everything works
>>perfectly including my old custom stuff from W95 days. Speed is
>>about the same as XP. Vista repairs itself, defrags the drive,
>>protects my work, solves problems on its own. The sidebar has
>>seriously useful gadgets that make life easier. Files and
>>folders are now easier to find, in any of several ways.
>>
>>I came by looking for more joy, gadgets, exploitation stories,
>>and high fives -- and learned that people happy with Vista don't
>>waste time here. That leaves the rest...
>
>
> I'm glad it works for you. Judging by the volume you may be in the
> minority.
>

Only if you can't count!
Frank
 
Adam Albright wrote:


...He's a confirmed liar,

Oh really...care to point out where I've ever lied?

hot head and Microsoft butt kisser.

Oh, I think you're just jealous.

He
> calls everybody a troll

I know of only a handful of linux trolls in this ng. That's far from
everybody. You're beginning to resort to lying again aren't you?

that disagrees with the slop he posts. You can
> judge his creditability by just reading a handful of his usual rants.
>

You mean where I boot your ignorant (oh, I mean genius) arse all over
this ng for the stupid insulting "slop" and lies you post?
You got that one right georgie-boy!
Frank
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> KristleBawl wrote:
>>
>>> You have that backward, junior. A troll comes into a Vista newsgroup
>>> to badmouth Microsoft and Vista and preach some other OS. Sound
>>> familiar?
>>>
>>> Allow me to introduce myself. My screenname is KristleBawl and I
>>> don't have any problems with Vista, and I not only don't hate it but
>>> I'm honestly quite fond of it.
>>>
>>> Spread your hatred somewhere else. People come here to get help
>>> solving Vista issues, or to help others solve their problems, not to
>>> listen to a bunch of whiny wannabees cry in their Gerber's because
>>> some third-party game won't run on Vista.
>>>
>>> WHAAAAAAHHH!
>>
>>
>> Ooh, a net nanny. How quaint. Do you also do windows and iron shirts?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Is that spanish macho talk?

No.

> What a stupid insulting bigot your really are.
> Frank

Still drunk, eh?

Alias
 
Microsoft has a track record of supporting two or more versions of *home*
and two or more versions of NT-type Server/Client systems, all at the same
time. Vista was pushed because Win98SE is no longer supported, not XP!

"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0df92$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> >but is *not* a replacement to Win XP
>
> Huh??? Not even for XP "home"??? lol.
>
> is that what you saw in your crystal ball?
>
>
>
> "KristleBawl" wrote in message...
>> What you two seem to forget is that Vista is designed for home use, not
>> app-intensive business networking, etc.
>>
>> Vista follows the Win95, Win98, WinME line, *not* the NT family of work
>> horse network client machines.
>>
>> It replaces Win98, WinME and earlier, but is *not* a replacement to Win
>> XP. It's another option, a choice.
>>
>> Geeks can fiddle around more with Linux, office networks run on a server
>> OS and NT-type clents, but the bells and whistles, the eye candy, and the
>> extra toys are aimed at ordinary consumers running Internet and
>> entertainment, and maybe word and calculator for the kids to do homework.
>> No one ever claimed it was the one sized fits all power users OS of the
>> future, just the "most secure version of Windows so far," as long as you
>> add a decent AV.
>>
>> Think about it! It's designed to protect the *naive* user from
>> "installing" something just by visiting a website advertised in a popup.
>>
>> Why would anyone with advanced experience expect it to be the same as any
>> other OS ever released? You need, want and expect something else, I
>> don't.
>>
>> I'll stick with Vista, thank you!
>>
>> "carl feredeck" wrote in message news:46a0bd6d$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>I back up your experience with mine and what you say is 100% correct!
>>> They are using it either for a very limited number of things or using it
>>> as decoration as you say. Other than that.. its a jungle out there and
>>> vista is falling apart!
>>>
>>>
>>> "Adam Albright" wrote in message
>>>> My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use
>>>> their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People
>>>> that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have
>>>> reported many verified issues with Vista.
 
Adam Albright wrote:


>
>
> That from the clown that admitted it took him SIX MONTHS with the help
> of "consultants" before he got Vista to run correctly.
>

Resorting to lying again georgie-boy? Never had one consultant for Vista
come to my businesses. Not one. Of course you're so damned depressed
over the fact that you're way to stupid to get your install of Vista
running correctly you simply can't stand for everyone else to have done
it, right?
No more lies!

> ROTFLMAO!
>


>
>>Here's the problem junior...drivers...software/hardware manufacturers
>>have literally had years to develop drivers for Vista for their
>>products. Yet at Vista's RTM many major software/hardware manufacturers
>>were just beginning to develop and release drivers for Vista.
>
>
> That's because Microsoft has a bad habit of changing requirements at
> the last minute causing work on drivers already completed to be
> redone. Ask any developer.

Now that's total bulls*it! Obviously, you've never, ever been in alpha
or beta testing of any software.
Frank
 
Alias wrote:

> Leo wrote:
>
>> Count me among the many more running Vista with no problems.
>>
>
> You're still top posting.
>
> Alias

And you're still lying.
Frank
 
Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Leo wrote:
>>
>>> Count me among the many more running Vista with no problems.
>>>
>>
>> You're still top posting.
>>
>> Alias
>
> And you're still lying.
> Frank

Another lie from Frank.

Alias
 
AMEN! Mike, you hit the nail right on the head. The only way for MS to know
what patches and drivers we need, they need to throw that new OS out there,
recieve the error messages, work out the kinks, get together with whatever
companies have product that failed on the new OS and develop the drivers.
It's not like they pull them out of their asses and decide to hold out on
you. I bet half of you don't even update your firmware initially and that
could be part of your problem.

Don't get me wrong, I love how informative these newsgroups are and a lot of
you have some valuable information, but I am starting to forget if this NG
is for help and information, or just bitching. Here's an idea, if you don't
like something, go back to what works for you. Vista is great.

-Ness


"Mike" <no@where.man> wrote in message
news:no-17AA53.09393320072007@news.supernews.com...
> In article <ggd1a31id2rmm430omqlshge3ircq39jn7@4ax.com>,
> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>> Microsoft in over twenty years of trying still hasn't been able to
>> give the public an initial release of any version of Windows that
>> wasn't flawed in several areas, desperately needing patches, fixes and
>> major rewriting which happens six to nine months later in some service
>> pak. Sorry if reality isn't your thing.
>
> That *is* the reality. Normal people accept it.
>
>> Now I return you to your fantasy world.
>
> The fantasy world is trolls like you who expect huge, complex software
> packages (such as an OS) that must run on thousands of hardware
> configurations all around the world to be perfect and bug free on
> initial release.
>
> To anyone who has ever written/tested/marketed/supported *any* software
> at all, you know this is simply not possible.
>
> Mike
 
I have been in computing since the 1950s (vacuum tubes, magnetic
donut memory). For most of my years, everything in a system was
made by one company - the computer, accessories, peripherals,
software, etc., and that company trained operators, who were
generally "programmers".

For a computer to run today, it must be compatible with an
astonishing spectrum of processors, mother boards, peripherals,
and software made by diverse people and companies ranging from
geniuses to incompetent, working in many different communication
and programming languages. And to further complicate things,
there are smart but emotionally troubled people who deliberately
seek to screw up such systems with various sorts of malware!

Today's users range from two years old up to my age, and I'm not
certain which age group has more skills. There probably are two
computers somewhere that are more than a year old and are
identical, with precisely the same configuration, software,
hardware, etc., operated by similarly-skilled people. Somewhere.

That Windows (or OSX, or Linux, etc.) does so well under these
conditions is wonderful, a tribute to our collective ingenuity.
Part of the reason is the feedback system - we call it beta.
Linux, of course, is in perpetual beta, which is part of its
attraction to those who seek the comfort of knowing things
others don't. And one of the reasons it's such a poor solution
is that so few make money at it.

As mentioned, Vista works well for me. I think it works fine for
most, and that those with problems look for solutions in such
discussion groups as this, which has become a pit of discontent.
And worse, advocates of other operating systems, or haters of
Microsoft (but why? It's one of America's great successes!),
gravitate to where their passions will be fed.

Henry
....a view from seven decades of painful experience
 
"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:Oi3JbtuyHHA.3696@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> All versions of Windows, without exception, ended up in what I call
>>> Public Beta before they were ready for prime time.
>>
>> Nope, totally wrong analogy. Completely off base.
>
> False.
>
> Windows 95 had how many version updates? 3?
>
> Windows 98 and then Windows 98SE
>
> XP and SP2
>
> Ill informed drivel snipped.
>
> Alias

WOW only 3 how many versions has UBUNTU had like 100 or so. Well maybe they
will get it in about 20 or so years.
 
Go see the Chaplin and get you TS card punched or get a new crying towel.


--
Leo

It is said that if you line up all the cars in the world end-to-end,
someone would be stupid enough to try to pass them.



"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23qY1mpuyHHA.5484@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Leo wrote:
>> Count me among the many more running Vista with no problems.
>>
>
> You're still top posting.
>
> Alias
 
you have your history wrong girl...

wimp has an NT kernel and it was decided 9x kernel would die and be erased
from the face of this earth because it was unstable and not good enough to
fight linux and mac OS who were making fun of the crappy win9x kernel that
had bad memory managment instability and security issues.

In an act of desperation MS pulled out its "business" kernel and made if for
all uses.
The last NT os that was not for the masses was win2k

Vista was supposed to be longhorn.. a new generation OS far ahead of XP...
They scrapped most of longhorn because they would not finish it in 100 years
at the rate they were going and and made a more "conventional" OS called
vista..
The REAL longhorn was never finalized... the reduced version of longhorn was
continued and became vista..

CRAPY STINKY OS VISTA!


"KristleBawl" <kristlebawl@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:%23xoVrIvyHHA.2172@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Microsoft has a track record of supporting two or more versions of *home*
> and two or more versions of NT-type Server/Client systems, all at the same
> time. Vista was pushed because Win98SE is no longer supported, not XP!
>
> "carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
> news:46a0df92$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>> >but is *not* a replacement to Win XP
>>
>> Huh??? Not even for XP "home"??? lol.
>>
>> is that what you saw in your crystal ball?
>>
>>
>>
>> "KristleBawl" wrote in message...
>>> What you two seem to forget is that Vista is designed for home use, not
>>> app-intensive business networking, etc.
>>>
>>> Vista follows the Win95, Win98, WinME line, *not* the NT family of work
>>> horse network client machines.
>>>
>>> It replaces Win98, WinME and earlier, but is *not* a replacement to Win
>>> XP. It's another option, a choice.
>>>
>>> Geeks can fiddle around more with Linux, office networks run on a server
>>> OS and NT-type clents, but the bells and whistles, the eye candy, and
>>> the extra toys are aimed at ordinary consumers running Internet and
>>> entertainment, and maybe word and calculator for the kids to do
>>> homework. No one ever claimed it was the one sized fits all power users
>>> OS of the future, just the "most secure version of Windows so far," as
>>> long as you add a decent AV.
>>>
>>> Think about it! It's designed to protect the *naive* user from
>>> "installing" something just by visiting a website advertised in a popup.
>>>
>>> Why would anyone with advanced experience expect it to be the same as
>>> any other OS ever released? You need, want and expect something else, I
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> I'll stick with Vista, thank you!
>>>
>>> "carl feredeck" wrote in message
>>> news:46a0bd6d$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>>>>I back up your experience with mine and what you say is 100% correct!
>>>> They are using it either for a very limited number of things or using
>>>> it as decoration as you say. Other than that.. its a jungle out there
>>>> and vista is falling apart!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Adam Albright" wrote in message
>>>>> My experience, people that claim they have no issues with Vista use
>>>>> their computer for little more than a decoration on their desk. People
>>>>> that actually use a computer in a serious work environment have
>>>>> reported many verified issues with Vista.
>
>
 
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 01:24:40 +0300, "carl feredeck"
<carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote:

>you have your history wrong girl...
>
>wimp has an NT kernel and it was decided 9x kernel would die and be erased
>from the face of this earth because it was unstable and not good enough to
>fight linux and mac OS who were making fun of the crappy win9x kernel that
>had bad memory managment instability and security issues.
>
>In an act of desperation MS pulled out its "business" kernel and made if for
>all uses.
>The last NT os that was not for the masses was win2k
>
>Vista was supposed to be longhorn.. a new generation OS far ahead of XP...
>They scrapped most of longhorn because they would not finish it in 100 years
>at the rate they were going and and made a more "conventional" OS called
>vista..
>The REAL longhorn was never finalized... the reduced version of longhorn was
>continued and became vista..

That's the Microsoft way. They start out with big pipe dreams, get
started, try to keep going, run into problems, first one, then two,
three, four years go by then they scale back and come out with some
half-baked, watered down always broken version they dump on the
public.
 
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