Charlie, you are missing the boat entirely. As I said previously, if
one person can define "work" so can I.
I wish to amend my original post by saying "Not All...."[2]
Charlie Tame wrote:
> Tim Judd wrote:
>
>> Sending/receiving email IS NOT real work.
>
> My Senator just communicated with me using email. Wonder if he knows
> he's not really working?
>
>> Web surfing IS NOT real work
>
> I just bought some stuff for work at www.grainger.com, without which I
> cannot proceed with tomorrow's assignment. Their store was closed but my
> parts will be waiting for me in the morning. That's not work?
[2] web surfing is work. Do you visit grainger.com ONLY, never go to
ebay.com? What about google groups? Are ebay.com or google group
visits work?
>> Word processing,
>
> Have you told Stephen King he doesn;t work for a living?
[2] word processing is work. Stephen King doesn't participate here (no
search results revealed his name)
> spreadsheets IS NOT real work.
>
> Wonder how Alan Greenspan does all that financial stuff then?
[2] spreadsheets is work. Alan Greenspan does a lot of work with
something, are you sure it's spreadsheets? Maybe a enterprise database
with sql queries might be doing his work.
> Creating/Editing images
>> IS NOT real work.
>
>
> So all those Pixar Disney things aren't about making money then, it's
> just for the dun of it is it?
[2] Creating/Editing images are work. You're providing excellent
examples, but I don't think you're in the same context as I.
>> IM IS NOT real work.
>
> It is if you are a member of congress apparently, though I am not
> surprised nobody admits to that one.
[2] IM is work.
> VoIP is a protocol/technology, not "work" in my eyes.
>
>
> It finds a lot of income for Vonage, and Mediacom and QWest...
That's a business, I don't work for them, do you? If no, then it's not
work for you. Vonage, Mediacom (who I've never heard of) and Qwest are
service providers. VoIP itself is still not something someone does.
>>> Can one easily get a virus with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.
>>
>> Note: I kept your original line intact, no changes. I made the minor
>> change of excluding 'easily' in the statements below.
>
> Of course there's malware why take out the "Easily", because when you
> look it's not so easy right?
You omitted some of my original post without commenting or notifying
it's omitted.
I took out easily because hackers won't halfway infect a system. They
do everything they can to get in and infect the system. Note that that
"do everything they can" is including code exploits in 3rd party software.
>>> Can one easily get malware with Ubuntu? No. With Windows? Yes.
>>
>> WRONG.
>>
>> Tracking cookies are considered malware. You get malware with any
>> Internet-connected machine and a WWW browser.
>
> Actually cookies aren't mentioned below...
The word cookies doesn't need to be mentioned. All items are covered
under "any code."
>>
>> "malware" is defined as:
>>
>> "software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without
>> the owner's informed consent" (wikipedia.com)
>> "any code, program, script, software or any instructions interpreted
>> as attacking a computer operating system (most probably a Windows
>> operating system). Malware includes spyware, trojans, viruses/virii,
>> denial of service/DoS attacks." (urbandictionary.com)
>> "Malicious computer software that interferes with normal computer
>> functions or sends personal data about the user to unauthorized
>> parties over the Internet." (dictionary.com)
>>
>> I think dictionary.com has it nailed best.
>>
>>> Is everything updated at once with Ubuntu? Yes. With Windows? No.
>
>
> You may have some leverage with this one as "Everything" is a pretty
> tall order...
It is, but that's how Linux distributions work.
>> Microsoft provides updates in one place for everything Microsoft
>> (Windows, Office...). But doesn't update 3rd party software such as
>> Mozilla software, or any governmental agency. Neither does BSD,
>> directly. You still obtain updates in BSD, but not through the OS's
>> own servers.
>>
>>> Does one have to constantly prove that one is not a pirate over and
>>> over again with Ubuntu? No. With Windows Vista? You betcha.
>>
>> http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/
>
> But on this you again lose miserably.
You don't explain. linuxgenuineadvantage.org is a joke. Much like
Windows Genuine Advantage is considered a joke.
>> You're comparing bananas to oranges (I did not want to use the
>> 'Apples[1] to Oranges' comparison).
>>
>> Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people who
>> have legally paid for a license to use it. This is an unfair
>> comparison. You should drop this immediately, permanently.
>
> Drop it because you have no answer to it? I personally (Several times
> now) have been greatly inconvenienced by this crap, and my employer, all
> of us using genuine Windows under the proper terms and conditions.
"no answer"? I see myself being quoted there. I did have an answer:
"Linux wants everyone to share it. Microsoft wants only the people who
have legally paid for a license to use it."
> Nobody minds Microsoft protecting their rights at all, but this practice
> hurts and pisses off their real customers while the pirates suffer nothing.
I have a feeling you're making an argument to my post on this statement,
but I fail to see it. If it's simply a statement,
A) I expect it, as should all other software developers
B) The pirates seem to know the software better than the original
software developers. And the original software developers haven't
released the code. The original developers made a loose model work, and
allowing outside influence to affect it's result for the hackers to work
around it.
>>> Alias
>>
>> Mull this information over, Alias. You aren't entirely right.
>>
>> [1] http://www.apple.com/
>
>
> He's less wrong than you are
And you're taking a side of things I hadn't yet thought about. That's
the beauty of open discussion forums like this.
I agree, I thought very hard in composing my original post, but I missed
some point of views and other things.
And I still don't think I'm entirely wrong on anything.