The WTF Starts Now

[Test User]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:20:17 -0400
<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is
> supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to
> day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of
> reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people are
> dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.
> Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software
> that just wont function. Frustrating.
>
>
http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx

 

[Guest]

I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most
of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations
and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who
actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is
a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

 

[Mike]

In article <eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:

> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
> Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
> it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most
> of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
> install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations
> and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who
> actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is
> a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

Well, that's the thing about being an early adopter. In a year or 2
when the app vendors catch up, none of this will be an issue.

Remember, XP was reviled for the same reasons when it was released. It
was "too big, too dumbed down, too much eye candy". Now, 6 years
later, it's the "greatest OS Microsoft has ever released!"

Mike

 

[Adam Albright]

On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:32:52 -0400, Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

>In article <eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
>> Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
>> it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most
>> of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
>> install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations
>> and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who
>> actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is
>> a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>
>Well, that's the thing about being an early adopter. In a year or 2
>when the app vendors catch up, none of this will be an issue.
>
>Remember, XP was reviled for the same reasons when it was released. It
>was "too big, too dumbed down, too much eye candy". Now, 6 years
>later, it's the "greatest OS Microsoft has ever released!"
>
>Mike

XP is so far the best version of Windows Microsoft has released. Some
day Vista may be. The point is it was released prematurely, clearly
behaves more like a beta and has more internal issues, where XP had
mostly driver issues.

I always snicker when people are brainwashed into accepting oh so what
it's early Microsoft will fix it down the road with a service pak.
Then Microsoft should give everybody that bought Vista early and were
their unpaid beta testers a refund. I'd say $50 per customer sounds
right.

 

[Mike]

In article <r6eo93d08gm80nm6u9oqfpopvaetrrfu17@4ax.com>,
Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:


> XP is so far the best version of Windows Microsoft has released.

Yep, it is NOW. What was your opinion in July of 2001? I know what
mine was - "Windows 2000 is the best OS Microsoft has released".

> Some day Vista may be. The point is it was released prematurely, clearly
> behaves more like a beta and has more internal issues, where XP had
> mostly driver issues.

Yeah, uh huh, sure, whatever.

The EXACT same things were said about XP. "It's incompatible, it's
buggy, it's too hard for Windows 98 users to figure out, it needs WAY
too much hardware for decent performance"!

Get over it already. It's been out for 6 months. Come back next
summer and we'll see where Vista is.

Mike

 

[Jupiter Jones [MVP]]

If you post details of the programs as well as exactly what happens,
it is probable you will get solutions from someone.

However without details, all I can suggest is Compatibility Mode.
Have you checked with the manufacturers about Windows Vista
compatibility?
If they are not compatible, be sure to let them know.

So far I have only two programs that have problems with Windows Vista,
one I never use.
the other has workarounds for the features I do use.

As for the numbers of people satisfied and dissatisfied, by its nature
a newsgroup will attract those with problems.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org


<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is
>supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to
>day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of
>reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people are
>dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.
>Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software
>that just wont function. Frustrating.

 

[Roberto de Cornielle]

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most
>of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations
>and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who
>actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there
>is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

Have you tried installing your "incompatible aps" in compatibility
mode ?, if they worked in XP there's a strong chance they will also
work with Vista.
Put the installation CD/DVD into the drive and navigate to Control
Panel >programs >use an older program with this version of Windows,
iInstalling this way not via autorun could be the answer for you.

FWIW, despite a negative response from MYOB, I was able to get MYOB
Accounting 13 working successfully.
But I understand your pain, Vistas is NOT as user friendly as M$ would
have the general public believe, it's on a par with Ubuntu - unless you
are a user from Win98 days, I'm not advocating the use of Linux here
BTW ;-).

rgds
Roberto

 

[artfudd]

Have you checked the websites for the applications you refer to for updates
that support Vista? If your application is in these lists then there should
be updated versions that run on Vista - these are not small lists of
applications that work with Vista"

Applications that have earned the "Certified for Windows Vista" logo
To view the list of applications that have earned the "Certified for Windows
Vista" logo, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
https://winqual.microsoft.com/member/softwarelogo/certifiedlist.aspx
Applications that have earned the "Works with Windows Vista" logo
To view the list of applications that have earned the "Works with Windows
Vista" logo, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
https://winqual.microsoft.com/member/softwarelogo/workswithlist.aspx

Additionally, most people that are happy with Vista will not bother posting
so in the forums and newsgroups.. so what you read about some not liking it
is a small number of the people who use it.
--
Art (artfudd)
-------------

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most
>of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations
>and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who
>actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there
>is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>
>

 

[artfudd]

Did you note the dates on that blog? Vista has come a long way
compatibility-wise (meaning many companies have upgraded their software &
drivers) since then. The author of that blog is the one that sucks...
--
Art (artfudd)
-------------
"Test User" <Test@User.com> wrote in message
news:y7Xmi.83$BJ1.45@newsfe03.lga...
> On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:20:17 -0400
> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is
>> supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to
>> day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of
>> reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people are
>> dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.
>> Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software
>> that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>
>>
> http://aspnetresources.com/blog/vista_sucks.aspx

 

[Mr. Arnold]

<msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however, most
>of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type situations
>and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who
>actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there
>is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.

Just what software are you talking about? And have you really checked with
the vendor for solutions?

Maybe, there is some equivalent free solution, until the software vendor for
your applications that don't work catches up with Vista.

http://www.bestvistadownloads.com/

You do know that Vista has compatibly settings to run applications in a mode
like XP, Win 2K, Win 98, etc.

 

[Lang Murphy]

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
news:%23jhtHZCyHHA.5964@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> If you post details of the programs as well as exactly what happens, it is
> probable you will get solutions from someone.
>
> However without details, all I can suggest is Compatibility Mode.
> Have you checked with the manufacturers about Windows Vista compatibility?
> If they are not compatible, be sure to let them know.
>
> So far I have only two programs that have problems with Windows Vista, one
> I never use.
> the other has workarounds for the features I do use.
>
> As for the numbers of people satisfied and dissatisfied, by its nature a
> newsgroup will attract those with problems.
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
> http://www.dts-l.org
>
>
> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF Starts
>>Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the realization that
>>it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is supported, however,
>>most of the applications I require on a day to day basis would not run (or
>>install). I've been doing a lot of reading regarding these type
>>situations and it seems more people are dissatisfied with Vista than there
>>are who actually like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if
>>there is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>


Jupiter,

Thanks! You saved me the effort to respond! ;-)

Lang

 

[Alias]

Mike wrote:
> In article <r6eo93d08gm80nm6u9oqfpopvaetrrfu17@4ax.com>,
> Adam Albright <AA@ABC.net> wrote:
>
>
>> XP is so far the best version of Windows Microsoft has released.
>
> Yep, it is NOW. What was your opinion in July of 2001? I know what
> mine was - "Windows 2000 is the best OS Microsoft has released".
>
>> Some day Vista may be. The point is it was released prematurely, clearly
>> behaves more like a beta and has more internal issues, where XP had
>> mostly driver issues.
>
> Yeah, uh huh, sure, whatever.
>
> The EXACT same things were said about XP. "It's incompatible, it's
> buggy, it's too hard for Windows 98 users to figure out, it needs WAY
> too much hardware for decent performance"!
>
> Get over it already. It's been out for 6 months. Come back next
> summer and we'll see where Vista is.
>
> Mike

No Windows OS was ready for prime time when released as a final product
when it really was/is a *public beta*. It's MS' usual M.O. to get their
paying customers to do their work for them.

The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open
Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

Alias

 

[Test User]

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 11:40:17 -0400
Mike <no@where.man> wrote:

> In article <OWYQwbIyHHA.988@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>,
> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>
> > Not true. Many frustrated Vista users who post here are looking for
> > viable alternatives and I am happy to provide them with a public
> > service.
>
> The only viable alternative to Windows is OS X.


Wrong, I've been using FreeBSD on the desktop for years.
FreeBSD is a viable desktop option, its very stable and super secure.
We have a ports system with over 17,000 programs to choose from and
their all free. My sister installed that bloated beast called Vista and
I played around with it for about an hour - IT'S CRAP, it's modern day
Windows/Me. I've never seen any system in my life eat resources like
Vista does.


>It is actually
> gaining market share. Unlike Linux, which is still in the 0.5%
> range after 15 years of "free" software.

If Windows is sooo damn hot, why are massive websites like yahoo and
many ISP's gravitating and using BSD?

 

[Mike]

In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open
> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.

Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL
given away and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.

Mike

 

[Alias]

Mike wrote:
> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>
>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open
>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.
>
> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL
> given away

And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means
and you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How
much do you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money
make sex better?

> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.
>
> Mike

False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more,
thanks to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement
of Linux for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled
with posts saying "I'm a newbie".

Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti
piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that
someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open
Source and see what you've been missing.

Alias

 

[Mike]

In article <#t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:

The same old Linux marketing drivel he has been spouting here for 6
months now.

Yes, we understand that Linux is "free". The problem is, no one cares.

Mike

 

[xfile]

> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and
> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do
> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex
> better?

Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support
professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and training, and
migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of problems for
Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or later.

So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think only
about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example. But just in case
you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her and
that's why we call it - making love.

Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.

> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti
> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that
> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open
> Source and see what you've been missing.

Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux for
alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable depending
on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI concept.

So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for
switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Mike wrote:
>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>>
>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open
>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.
>>
>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL
>> given away
>
> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and
> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do
> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex
> better?
>
>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.
>>
>> Mike
>
> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more, thanks
> to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement of Linux
> for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled with posts
> saying "I'm a newbie".
>
> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti
> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that
> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open
> Source and see what you've been missing.
>
> Alias

 

[Alias]

xfile wrote:
>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and
>> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do
>> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex
>> better?
>
> Price doesn't mean just the purchase price. Easily find support
> professionals, hardware and software compatibility issues, and training, and
> migration are also part of prices, and yes, they are part of problems for
> Vista as well, but those are also prices to be included sooner or later.

So far, I have paid NO money for Ubuntu and it runs great.

>
> So people don't just think about purchase price and those who think only
> about purchase price is silly and naive, the least to say.

See above.

>
> And please don't use women or wife or sex as an example.

I'll use any example my little hearts desires to use.

But just in case
> you want to know, I do pay her with all my love to have sex with her and
> that's why we call it - making love.

You consider love to be money? How crass can you get?
>
> Yes, we have to pay one way or the other.
>
>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti
>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that
>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open
>> Source and see what you've been missing.
>
> Yes, those are problems. Guess what, many are thinking Apple not Linux for
> alternatives. Why? Vista's UI is terrible, Apple is questionable depending
> on one's previous experience, and Linux has literally no UI concept.

False. I use the GUI for almost everything in Ubuntu. You obviously
don't know what you're talking about. Beryl makes Aero look like an
amateur did it.

>
> So if you must, please at least come up some real life benefits for
> switching over. All of the above are not even close to benefits.

When the person I am explaining it to is open to change, there are no
problems in their understanding. You, apparently, do have problems with
that.

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:%23t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Mike wrote:
>>> In article <#LcfWQFyHHA.5024@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>,
>>> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The difference this time is that there are viable alternatives in Open
>>>> Source when there wasn't for XP and all previous Windows releases.
>>> Sure. The Open Source alternatives are so "viable" that they are STILL
>>> given away
>> And always will be. I see you don't understand what Open Source means and
>> you think that something only has value when you pay for it. How much do
>> you pay your wife for sex or is free OK? Would paying her money make sex
>> better?
>>
>>> and they are STILL going nowhere on the desktop.
>>>
>>> Mike
>> False. Millions of people are now enjoying Linux and millions more, thanks
>> to Vista's intrusive "anti piracy" programs and the improvement of Linux
>> for the desktop, will get it. The Linux newsgroups are filled with posts
>> saying "I'm a newbie".
>>
>> Face it, you're betting on a bloated, DRN riddled, virus prone, anti
>> piracy flawed programs prone, malware prone OS and you're jealous that
>> someone might get something better for free. Get over it and go Open
>> Source and see what you've been missing.
>>
>> Alias
>
>

 

[Alias]

Mike wrote:
> In article <#t$sMyGyHHA.4300@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>,
> Alias <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote:
>
> The same old Linux marketing drivel he has been spouting here for 6
> months now.
>
> Yes, we understand that Linux is "free". The problem is, no one cares.
>
> Mike

Another Windows fan who can't respond to content and can only hurl the
same, tired and unfounded insults.

Alias

 

[Mr. Happy]

Mike wrote:

<snip>

> Remember, XP was reviled for the same reasons when it was released. It
> was "too big, too dumbed down, too much eye candy". Now, 6 years
> later, it's the "greatest OS Microsoft has ever released!"
>
Sadly, that's true.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
Would you purchase an os from this man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74
.... and he hasn't really changed
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE