The WTF Starts Now

[norm]

Frank wrote:
> norm wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black. Black
>>>> crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not crap.
>>>> You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an old
>>>> woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and
>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista
>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the
>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no doubt
>> all of you will do so). lol
>>
> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
> Frank

I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the
common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over head
on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the biz"?
Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about you. In
the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful world of colors
that most people DO see.
--
norm

 

[Frank]

Adam Albright wrote:

> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:52:49 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>
>
>>Adam Albright wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 16:15:46 -0700, Frank <fb@nospaner.cnm> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>What Frankie refuses to realize is he's been caught lying his ass off
>>>>>on so many topics nobody accepts anything he claims at face value and
>>>>>his creditability is at zero. That's his fault, not yours or mine. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Stop lying and tell the truth for once georgie boy. It ain't black...period!
>>>>Got it?
>>>>Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I never said it was black you clueless horse's behind. In fact I went
>>>out of my way to avoid any color description at all. Yet here you are
>>>again trying to stand up another of your pathetic Strawmen.
>>>
>>
>>Get a fukkin life you moron loser!
>>Frank
>
>
> I OWN you worthless ass Frankie and kick it at will.
>
> ROTFLMAO!
>
You couldn't kick those empty beer cans our of your way you miserable drunk.
The only thing you own is a beer belly and a bald head.
You're a joke!
Frank

 

[Frank]

norm wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> norm wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black. Black
>>>>> crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not crap.
>>>>> You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an old
>>>>> woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and
>>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista
>>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the
>>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no doubt
>>> all of you will do so). lol
>>>
>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
>> Frank
>
>
> I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the
> common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over head
> on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the biz"?
> Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about you. In
> the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful world of colors
> that most people DO see.

Numbers take the subjectivity and guess work out of color files as they
go from one shop to another and then to the printer. They're not always
perfectly correct and sign off color checks are still done with your
eyes, but outputs are always numbered. It facilitates color corrections
by making them easier and they mark a reference point so you know where
you moved from and can always go back exactly to where you started. It's
not a perfect science by any means as batch colors can vary slightly
from batch to batch and so can paper.
Colors in numbers are universal.
It is the language of the printers.
And of course we all refer to reds, blues, greens, yellows, etc., that's
never going to disappear.
We only use CRT's for out putting final files. We have two high end
Sony's located in a north facing room with natural lighting. We
re-calibrated each monitor once a month. We try and keep everything the
same so our output files will not be a surprise to us. We don't use LCD
as of yet because they only display 6 bit color and not 8 bit. They use
anti-aliasing to "fool" the eyes into thinking you're seeing 8 bit
color. We expect that to change in the near future as LCD technology
advances.
That's the biz!
Frank

 

[Lang Murphy]

"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Lang Murphy wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>>>>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>>>>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware is
>>>>> supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day to day
>>>>> basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of reading
>>>>> regarding these type situations and it seems more people are
>>>>> dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the new OS.
>>>>> Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of software
>>>>> that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the unbelievable
>>>> amount of personal attacks that followed.
>>>>
>>>> What a waste...
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>>
>>> You can thank Frank for that.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!
>>
>> Lang
>
> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He does the
> same with Adam.
>
> Alias


C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains; you don't consider
yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you and Frank going
back and forth for tens of posts following this one... so you're saying
Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this ng? Uh... no?

Lang

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:51:47 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Black. Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista. It's not crap. You just can't see that the times
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are changing and, like an old woman, have to cling to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at this screen shot:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.geekgirls.com/images/vista_desktop.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note the bar that runs on the bottom of the screen. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at this screen shot of Windows Media (not responding)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and take a gander at the bar at the top where you see Now
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Playing, Library, Rip, etc. What color is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're color blind you stupid moron and know nothing at all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about colors cause that sure as hell ain't black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get lost you stupid linux loser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank you insist on proving daily you are just a freaking
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot some
>>>>>>>>>>>> village thankfully lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what you problem is numbnuts? You don't think and
>>>>>>>>>>>> you refuse
>>>>>>>>>>>> to listen so you NEVER learn a damn thing you annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>> little pissant.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the color black is present in Vista's color
>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes you
>>>>>>>>>>>> clueless babbling baboon. There is a very easy way to prove
>>>>>>>>>>>> it too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Start up Media Player, ensure you have Video Settings
>>>>>>>>>>>> showing at the
>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the window, just so you get the exact same view
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking
>>>>>>>>>>>> at. What color do you see Frankie? That's called black. Need
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> proof, well pay attention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Reduce the Media Player window so it doesn't fill the
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen. Next
>>>>>>>>>>>> start up the Snipping tool and select some of the area
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's below
>>>>>>>>>>>> where media plays.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Start up Photoshop or any graphic application that has an
>>>>>>>>>>>> eye dropper
>>>>>>>>>>>> tool or any tool that can read RGB values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy the snipping tool's selection to the clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>> then start
>>>>>>>>>>>> Photoshop, select new, a new window the size of the area you
>>>>>>>>>>>> snipped
>>>>>>>>>>>> will appear, just paste what you just snipped with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> snipping tool.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now make sure Photoshop has the information window enabled.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now slowly
>>>>>>>>>>>> move your mouse over the image you just pasted. Guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Photoshop shows it to be absolute black because is shows the
>>>>>>>>>>>> RGB
>>>>>>>>>>>> values as follows: R=0, G=0, B=0. Iron clad undisputed proof
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>> produces the color black in it's color schemes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now watch little Frankie start throwing monkey feces around,
>>>>>>>>>>>> begin to
>>>>>>>>>>>> yell curse and scream just to try to pretend it isn't so.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong you moron. Use the jpg alias used as an example.
>>>>>>>>>>> It's 100,0,0. and guess what you stupid as*shole that AIN'T
>>>>>>>>>>> BLACK!!!
>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahah...you two are a real pair of idiots.
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, what color is it, brainchild? Dark gray? Big diff. Fact is
>>>>>>>>>> when you have a dump, if the color is close to black or black,
>>>>>>>>>> you're constipated, just like Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well you no nothing at all about color. In the RGB color space
>>>>>>>>> it's 100,0,0. Where as black in the RGB color space is 0,0,0.
>>>>>>>>> Sorry, it ain't black!
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Um, the question was what color, not what RGB number. Can't read?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Color has a "space" and in this case it is RGB with each letter
>>>>>>> having a numerical value.
>>>>>>> Idiot, that's how color is defined.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks black to me. What color does it look to you. I can't make it
>>>>>> any simpler than that, Frank.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Fine! Just don't tell anyone who knows anything about color that's
>>>>> it black (cause it's not) and you'll be good to go.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What color is it? I see a black task bar. I see black bars on the
>>>> tops of the windows. Here is proof from the horse's mouth. The theme
>>>> is black and blue, which is even more constipated than brown.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/seeit/default.mspx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Right off hand I'd say you've got a badly calibrated color monitor.
>>> What brand of monitor are you using?
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> LG Flatron 17" CRT.
>>
>> Fact is you hopped on this because you didn't like the fact that black
>> sh*t is worse than brown sh*t so you changed the subject to whether
>> it's black or not. Do you even realize that?
>>
>> AGAIN, what color do you think it is?????!!!!!
>>
>> Alias
>
> Call it anything your little heart desires expect black.
> Frank

I didn't ask you what I should call it. I asked you what color YOU think
it is. Being as I have asked this five times now and you've dodged the
question five times, I will take it that you, too, think it's black.

Course, you didn't reply to the rest of my post but what else is new?

Alias

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> norm wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black. Black
>>>> crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not crap.
>>>> You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an old
>>>> woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and
>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista
>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the
>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no doubt
>> all of you will do so). lol
>>
> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
> Frank

Yet, you can't tell us what color it is and continually dodge the question.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> norm wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> norm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.
>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not
>>>>>> crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an
>>>>>> old woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and
>>>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista
>>>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the
>>>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no
>>>> doubt all of you will do so). lol
>>>>
>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the
>> common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over
>> head on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the
>> biz"? Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about
>> you. In the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful world
>> of colors that most people DO see.
>
> Numbers take the subjectivity and guess work out of color files as they
> go from one shop to another and then to the printer. They're not always
> perfectly correct and sign off color checks are still done with your
> eyes, but outputs are always numbered. It facilitates color corrections
> by making them easier and they mark a reference point so you know where
> you moved from and can always go back exactly to where you started. It's
> not a perfect science by any means as batch colors can vary slightly
> from batch to batch and so can paper.
> Colors in numbers are universal.
> It is the language of the printers.
> And of course we all refer to reds, blues, greens, yellows, etc., that's
> never going to disappear.
> We only use CRT's for out putting final files. We have two high end
> Sony's located in a north facing room with natural lighting. We
> re-calibrated each monitor once a month. We try and keep everything the
> same so our output files will not be a surprise to us. We don't use LCD
> as of yet because they only display 6 bit color and not 8 bit. They use
> anti-aliasing to "fool" the eyes into thinking you're seeing 8 bit
> color. We expect that to change in the near future as LCD technology
> advances.
> That's the biz!
> Frank
>
>
>
>

Now that you're hopefully done bragging, can you tell us what color it
is in layman's terms?

Alias, not holding his breath

 

[Alias]

Lang Murphy wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
> news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>>>>>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>>>>>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware
>>>>>> is supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day
>>>>>> to day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of
>>>>>> reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people
>>>>>> are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the
>>>>>> new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of
>>>>>> software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the
>>>>> unbelievable amount of personal attacks that followed.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a waste...
>>>>>
>>>>> Lang
>>>>
>>>> You can thank Frank for that.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!
>>>
>>> Lang
>>
>> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He does
>> the same with Adam.
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains; you don't consider
> yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you and Frank going
> back and forth for tens of posts following this one... so you're saying
> Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this ng? Uh... no?
>
> Lang

Yes, I am a party to these threads but not as much as Frank is. How come
you're not jumping on Frank?

Alias

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:51:47 -0700, Frank <fb@nospamer.cmn>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Black. Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Vista. It's not crap. You just can't see that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times are changing and, like an old woman, have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cling to the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at this screen shot:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.geekgirls.com/images/vista_desktop.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note the bar that runs on the bottom of the screen. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at this screen shot of Windows Media (not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding) and take a gander at the bar at the top where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you see Now Playing, Library, Rip, etc. What color is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're color blind you stupid moron and know nothing at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all about colors cause that sure as hell ain't black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get lost you stupid linux loser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank you insist on proving daily you are just a freaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> village thankfully lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what you problem is numbnuts? You don't think and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you refuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to listen so you NEVER learn a damn thing you annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> little pissant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the color black is present in Vista's color
>>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clueless babbling baboon. There is a very easy way to prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start up Media Player, ensure you have Video Settings
>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the window, just so you get the exact same view
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at. What color do you see Frankie? That's called black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Need more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof, well pay attention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reduce the Media Player window so it doesn't fill the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen. Next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> start up the Snipping tool and select some of the area
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's below
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where media plays.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start up Photoshop or any graphic application that has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye dropper
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool or any tool that can read RGB values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy the snipping tool's selection to the clipboard,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then start
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photoshop, select new, a new window the size of the area
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you snipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will appear, just paste what you just snipped with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipping tool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now make sure Photoshop has the information window enabled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now slowly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> move your mouse over the image you just pasted. Guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photoshop shows it to be absolute black because is shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RGB
>>>>>>>>>>>>> values as follows: R=0, G=0, B=0. Iron clad undisputed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>> produces the color black in it's color schemes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now watch little Frankie start throwing monkey feces
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around, begin to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> yell curse and scream just to try to pretend it isn't so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong you moron. Use the jpg alias used as an
>>>>>>>>>>>> example. It's 100,0,0. and guess what you stupid as*shole
>>>>>>>>>>>> that AIN'T BLACK!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahah...you two are a real pair of idiots.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, what color is it, brainchild? Dark gray? Big diff. Fact
>>>>>>>>>>> is when you have a dump, if the color is close to black or
>>>>>>>>>>> black, you're constipated, just like Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well you no nothing at all about color. In the RGB color space
>>>>>>>>>> it's 100,0,0. Where as black in the RGB color space is 0,0,0.
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, it ain't black!
>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Um, the question was what color, not what RGB number. Can't read?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Color has a "space" and in this case it is RGB with each letter
>>>>>>>> having a numerical value.
>>>>>>>> Idiot, that's how color is defined.
>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks black to me. What color does it look to you. I can't make
>>>>>>> it any simpler than that, Frank.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine! Just don't tell anyone who knows anything about color that's
>>>>>> it black (cause it's not) and you'll be good to go.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What color is it? I see a black task bar. I see black bars on the
>>>>> tops of the windows. Here is proof from the horse's mouth. The
>>>>> theme is black and blue, which is even more constipated than brown.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/seeit/default.mspx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Right off hand I'd say you've got a badly calibrated color monitor.
>>>> What brand of monitor are you using?
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> LG Flatron 17" CRT.
>>>
>>> Fact is you hopped on this because you didn't like the fact that
>>> black sh*t is worse than brown sh*t so you changed the subject to
>>> whether it's black or not. Do you even realize that?
>>>
>>> AGAIN, what color do you think it is?????!!!!!
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Call it anything your little heart desires expect black.
>> Frank
>
>
> I didn't ask you what I should call it. I asked you what color YOU think
> it is. Being as I have asked this five times now and you've dodged the
> question five times, I will take it that you, too, think it's black.
>
> Course, you didn't reply to the rest of my post but what else is new?
>
> Alias

What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The
taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it
the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to
dark brown.
But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.
Got it?
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> norm wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black. Black
>>>>> crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not crap.
>>>>> You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an old
>>>>> woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and
>>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista
>>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the
>>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no doubt
>>> all of you will do so). lol
>>>
>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
>> Frank
>
>
> Yet, you can't tell us what color it is and continually dodge the question.
>
> Alias

Wise up alias. You're really and truly starting to make a real ass out
of yourself. The jpg you posted has a taskbar that, in my eyes goes from
light reddish brown to dark brown. Your pal adam never mentioned that
the taskbar is fountain filled and depending on where you color sample
it you'll always get a different reading ever time.
But nowhere in the fill do I get a black RGB 0,0,0 reading.
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Frank wrote:
>
>> norm wrote:
>>
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>
>>>> norm wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.
>>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not
>>>>>>> crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an
>>>>>>> old woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color,
>>>>> and not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that
>>>>> vista has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to
>>>>> define the color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and
>>>>> there is no doubt all of you will do so). lol
>>>>>
>>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
>>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
>>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the
>>> common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over
>>> head on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the
>>> biz"? Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about
>>> you. In the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful world
>>> of colors that most people DO see.
>>
>>
>> Numbers take the subjectivity and guess work out of color files as
>> they go from one shop to another and then to the printer. They're not
>> always perfectly correct and sign off color checks are still done with
>> your eyes, but outputs are always numbered. It facilitates color
>> corrections by making them easier and they mark a reference point so
>> you know where you moved from and can always go back exactly to where
>> you started. It's not a perfect science by any means as batch colors
>> can vary slightly from batch to batch and so can paper.
>> Colors in numbers are universal.
>> It is the language of the printers.
>> And of course we all refer to reds, blues, greens, yellows, etc.,
>> that's never going to disappear.
>> We only use CRT's for out putting final files. We have two high end
>> Sony's located in a north facing room with natural lighting. We
>> re-calibrated each monitor once a month. We try and keep everything
>> the same so our output files will not be a surprise to us. We don't
>> use LCD as of yet because they only display 6 bit color and not 8 bit.
>> They use anti-aliasing to "fool" the eyes into thinking you're seeing
>> 8 bit color. We expect that to change in the near future as LCD
>> technology advances.
>> That's the biz!
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Now that you're hopefully done bragging, can you tell us what color it
> is in layman's terms?
>
> Alias, not holding his breath

Bragging! What's that all about alias? I've been in this business since
'78. That I known what I'm doing is not considered bragging by any standard.
I have no idea what you're holding your breath about?
Frank

 

[Frank]

Alias wrote:

> Lang Murphy wrote:
>
>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>> news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>>>>>>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>>>>>>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware
>>>>>>> is supported, however, most of the applications I require on a
>>>>>>> day to day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a
>>>>>>> lot of reading regarding these type situations and it seems more
>>>>>>> people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually
>>>>>>> like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there
>>>>>>> is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the
>>>>>> unbelievable amount of personal attacks that followed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a waste...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lang
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can thank Frank for that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>>
>>>
>>> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He does
>>> the same with Adam.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>>
>> C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains; you don't consider
>> yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you and Frank
>> going back and forth for tens of posts following this one... so you're
>> saying Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this ng? Uh... no?
>>
>> Lang
>
>
> Yes, I am a party to these threads but not as much as Frank is. How come
> you're not jumping on Frank?
>
> Alias


You just do get it do you? You have the audacity to come into this Vista
ng and do nothing but slam MS and Vista, which you don't have then
openly promote linux and wonder why people don't like or respect you?
Are you that crass and clueless?
I guess so, huh. As you have been asked and told not to do it yet you
have no respect at all for others or the fact that your promoting
another os in this ng is not, repeat is not, acceptable.
But you simple don't care. Talk about not having any class at all.
You're the prime example pal.
Frank

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> Alias wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 06:51:47 -0700, Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fb@nospamer.cmn> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Black. Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like Vista. It's not crap. You just can't see that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> times are changing and, like an old woman, have to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cling to the past.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at this screen shot:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.geekgirls.com/images/vista_desktop.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note the bar that runs on the bottom of the screen. What
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> color is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Look at this screen shot of Windows Media (not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responding) and take a gander at the bar at the top
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where you see Now Playing, Library, Rip, etc. What color
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're color blind you stupid moron and know nothing at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all about colors cause that sure as hell ain't black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Get lost you stupid linux loser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank you insist on proving daily you are just a freaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> village thankfully lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what you problem is numbnuts? You don't think and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you refuse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to listen so you NEVER learn a damn thing you annoying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> little pissant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course the color black is present in Vista's color
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schemes you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clueless babbling baboon. There is a very easy way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start up Media Player, ensure you have Video Settings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> showing at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottom of the window, just so you get the exact same view
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm looking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at. What color do you see Frankie? That's called black.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Need more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof, well pay attention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Reduce the Media Player window so it doesn't fill the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen. Next
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> start up the Snipping tool and select some of the area
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's below
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where media plays.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Start up Photoshop or any graphic application that has an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eye dropper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tool or any tool that can read RGB values.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you copy the snipping tool's selection to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clipboard, then start
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photoshop, select new, a new window the size of the area
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you snipped
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will appear, just paste what you just snipped with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> snipping tool.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now make sure Photoshop has the information window
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enabled. Now slowly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move your mouse over the image you just pasted. Guess what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frankie,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photoshop shows it to be absolute black because is shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the RGB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> values as follows: R=0, G=0, B=0. Iron clad undisputed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof Vista
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produces the color black in it's color schemes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now watch little Frankie start throwing monkey feces
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around, begin to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> yell curse and scream just to try to pretend it isn't so.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong you moron. Use the jpg alias used as an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> example. It's 100,0,0. and guess what you stupid as*shole
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that AIN'T BLACK!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hahahah...you two are a real pair of idiots.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, what color is it, brainchild? Dark gray? Big diff. Fact
>>>>>>>>>>>> is when you have a dump, if the color is close to black or
>>>>>>>>>>>> black, you're constipated, just like Vista.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well you no nothing at all about color. In the RGB color
>>>>>>>>>>> space it's 100,0,0. Where as black in the RGB color space is
>>>>>>>>>>> 0,0,0.
>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, it ain't black!
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Um, the question was what color, not what RGB number. Can't read?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Color has a "space" and in this case it is RGB with each letter
>>>>>>>>> having a numerical value.
>>>>>>>>> Idiot, that's how color is defined.
>>>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks black to me. What color does it look to you. I can't make
>>>>>>>> it any simpler than that, Frank.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fine! Just don't tell anyone who knows anything about color
>>>>>>> that's it black (cause it's not) and you'll be good to go.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What color is it? I see a black task bar. I see black bars on the
>>>>>> tops of the windows. Here is proof from the horse's mouth. The
>>>>>> theme is black and blue, which is even more constipated than brown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/seeit/default.mspx
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Right off hand I'd say you've got a badly calibrated color monitor.
>>>>> What brand of monitor are you using?
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> LG Flatron 17" CRT.
>>>>
>>>> Fact is you hopped on this because you didn't like the fact that
>>>> black sh*t is worse than brown sh*t so you changed the subject to
>>>> whether it's black or not. Do you even realize that?
>>>>
>>>> AGAIN, what color do you think it is?????!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>> Call it anything your little heart desires expect black.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> I didn't ask you what I should call it. I asked you what color YOU
>> think it is. Being as I have asked this five times now and you've
>> dodged the question five times, I will take it that you, too, think
>> it's black.
>>
>> Course, you didn't reply to the rest of my post but what else is new?
>>
>> Alias
>
> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The
> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it
> the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to
> dark brown.
> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.
> Got it?
> Frank

Open your eyes. Look. What color is it? Do you need a sampler to be able
to see?

Looks black to me.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> norm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> norm wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.
>>>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's
>>>>>>>> not crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and,
>>>>>>>> like an old woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color,
>>>>>> and not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that
>>>>>> vista has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to
>>>>>> define the color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and
>>>>>> there is no doubt all of you will do so). lol
>>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
>>>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
>>>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I see. So you don't ever refer to any color in the language of the
>>>> common man? You can't enjoy the lovely blue sky that might be over
>>>> head on a nice day when you are not concentrating on being "in the
>>>> biz"? Well, do enjoy the wonderful world of "numbers" you see about
>>>> you. In the meantime, I will get back to enjoying the wonderful
>>>> world of colors that most people DO see.
>>>
>>>
>>> Numbers take the subjectivity and guess work out of color files as
>>> they go from one shop to another and then to the printer. They're not
>>> always perfectly correct and sign off color checks are still done
>>> with your eyes, but outputs are always numbered. It facilitates color
>>> corrections by making them easier and they mark a reference point so
>>> you know where you moved from and can always go back exactly to where
>>> you started. It's not a perfect science by any means as batch colors
>>> can vary slightly from batch to batch and so can paper.
>>> Colors in numbers are universal.
>>> It is the language of the printers.
>>> And of course we all refer to reds, blues, greens, yellows, etc.,
>>> that's never going to disappear.
>>> We only use CRT's for out putting final files. We have two high end
>>> Sony's located in a north facing room with natural lighting. We
>>> re-calibrated each monitor once a month. We try and keep everything
>>> the same so our output files will not be a surprise to us. We don't
>>> use LCD as of yet because they only display 6 bit color and not 8
>>> bit. They use anti-aliasing to "fool" the eyes into thinking you're
>>> seeing 8 bit color. We expect that to change in the near future as
>>> LCD technology advances.
>>> That's the biz!
>>> Frank
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Now that you're hopefully done bragging, can you tell us what color it
>> is in layman's terms?
>>
>> Alias, not holding his breath
>
> Bragging! What's that all about alias? I've been in this business since
> '78. That I known what I'm doing is not considered bragging by any
> standard.
> I have no idea what you're holding your breath about?
> Frank

The fact that you're too stupid to be able to tell us what color you see
when you look at your task bar.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>
>>> norm wrote:
>>>
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Alias wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gary wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eJRq2hhzHHA.484@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This alternative is Ubuntu. Check it out at www.ubuntu.com/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROTFL Now that is funny. Ubuntu is crap its even brown like the
>>>>>>> crap it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can set the color to anything you like, even Vista Black.
>>>>>> Black crap means you're constipated, yaknow, like Vista. It's not
>>>>>> crap. You just can't see that the times are changing and, like an
>>>>>> old woman, have to cling to the past.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Vista doesn't have any black in it.
>>>>> Frank
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> After reading the portion of this whole thread on vista's color, and
>>>> not having a horse in this race, I can say with certainty that vista
>>>> has black in it. I don't care how any one else tries to define the
>>>> color I see, but the color is black. Carry on (and there is no
>>>> doubt all of you will do so). lol
>>>>
>>> Sorry norm but those of us in the biz don't "see" colors we "read"
>>> colors. That's how one color file is consistent from one shop to
>>> another. It's by the numbers. Ask any print man.
>>> Frank
>>
>>
>> Yet, you can't tell us what color it is and continually dodge the
>> question.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Wise up alias. You're really and truly starting to make a real ass out
> of yourself. The jpg you posted has a taskbar that, in my eyes goes from
> light reddish brown to dark brown. Your pal adam never mentioned that
> the taskbar is fountain filled and depending on where you color sample
> it you'll always get a different reading ever time.
> But nowhere in the fill do I get a black RGB 0,0,0 reading.
> Frank

Still looks black to me, although if you hover the mouse over an open
program, it turns blue.

So, the original post was complaining about Ubuntu being brown and now
you're saying that Vista's task bar is dark brown?

Giggle.

Alias

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>> news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>>>>>>>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>>>>>>>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware
>>>>>>>> is supported, however, most of the applications I require on a
>>>>>>>> day to day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a
>>>>>>>> lot of reading regarding these type situations and it seems more
>>>>>>>> people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually
>>>>>>>> like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there
>>>>>>>> is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the
>>>>>>> unbelievable amount of personal attacks that followed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a waste...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lang
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can thank Frank for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He
>>>> does the same with Adam.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains; you don't consider
>>> yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you and Frank
>>> going back and forth for tens of posts following this one... so
>>> you're saying Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this ng? Uh... no?
>>>
>>> Lang
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am a party to these threads but not as much as Frank is. How
>> come you're not jumping on Frank?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> You just do get it do you? You have the audacity to come into this Vista
> ng and do nothing but slam MS and Vista, which you don't have then
> openly promote linux and wonder why people don't like or respect you?
> Are you that crass and clueless?
> I guess so, huh. As you have been asked and told not to do it yet you
> have no respect at all for others or the fact that your promoting
> another os in this ng is not, repeat is not, acceptable.
> But you simple don't care. Talk about not having any class at all.
> You're the prime example pal.
> Frank

YAWN. http://www.ubuntu.com/, better than Vista or XP.

Alias

 

[MICHAEL]

* Frank:
> Alias wrote:

>> I didn't ask you what I should call it. I asked you what color YOU think
>> it is. Being as I have asked this five times now and you've dodged the
>> question five times, I will take it that you, too, think it's black.
>>
>> Course, you didn't reply to the rest of my post but what else is new?
>>
>> Alias
>
> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The
> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it
> the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to
> dark brown.
> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.
> Got it?
> Frank

Black, brown, red, gray.... it really depends on the users'
settings and how much transparency (if any) they are using,
and if a window is minimized or maximized. On my laptop,
I have transparency disabled, when a window is maximized,
the taskbar looks black.

http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shel...0_--Or-rather_2C00_-back-OUT-black_2100_.aspx


-Michael

 

[Alias]

Frank wrote:
> Alias wrote:
>
>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>> news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>
>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>>>>>>>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>>>>>>>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware
>>>>>>>> is supported, however, most of the applications I require on a
>>>>>>>> day to day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a
>>>>>>>> lot of reading regarding these type situations and it seems more
>>>>>>>> people are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually
>>>>>>>> like the new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there
>>>>>>>> is a ton of software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the
>>>>>>> unbelievable amount of personal attacks that followed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a waste...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lang
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can thank Frank for that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He
>>>> does the same with Adam.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains; you don't consider
>>> yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you and Frank
>>> going back and forth for tens of posts following this one... so
>>> you're saying Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this ng? Uh... no?
>>>
>>> Lang
>>
>>
>> Yes, I am a party to these threads but not as much as Frank is. How
>> come you're not jumping on Frank?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> You just do get it do you? You have the audacity to come into this Vista
> ng and do nothing but slam MS and Vista, which you don't have then
> openly promote linux and wonder why people don't like or respect you?

Only the Wintards like you have a problem. Others click on this:
www.ubuntu.com and get a real OS.

> Are you that crass and clueless?

Helpful is the correct adjective.

> I guess so, huh. As you have been asked and told not to do it yet you
> have no respect at all for others or the fact that your promoting
> another os in this ng is not, repeat is not, acceptable.

Only to Wintards like you who think that insulting someone is the way to
refute their argument.

> But you simple don't care. Talk about not having any class at all.
> You're the prime example pal.
> Frank

I get feedback and many people are happy I turned them on to Ubuntu
through this group. Get over it and live with it because it ain't going
away. You will see more and more people posting here about Ubuntu. Ain't
life grand?

Alias

 

[Alias]

MICHAEL wrote:
> * Frank:
>> Alias wrote:
>
>>> I didn't ask you what I should call it. I asked you what color YOU think
>>> it is. Being as I have asked this five times now and you've dodged the
>>> question five times, I will take it that you, too, think it's black.
>>>
>>> Course, you didn't reply to the rest of my post but what else is new?
>>>
>>> Alias
>> What an arrogant as*hole you really are! Give it a break, ok? The
>> taskbar in Vista is fountain filled and depending on where you sample it
>> the colors could be described as anything from light reddish brown to
>> dark brown.
>> But it does not look nor does it sample anywhere as black.
>> Got it?
>> Frank
>
> Black, brown, red, gray.... it really depends on the users'
> settings and how much transparency (if any) they are using,
> and if a window is minimized or maximized. On my laptop,
> I have transparency disabled, when a window is maximized,
> the taskbar looks black.
>
> http://shellrevealed.com/blogs/shel...0_--Or-rather_2C00_-back-OUT-black_2100_.aspx
>
>
> -Michael
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Thank you.

Alias

 

[Gary]

And its available at your local Toys are Us store.


"Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
news:%23uQplV6zHHA.4184@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Frank wrote:
>> Alias wrote:
>>
>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Alias" <aka@masked&anonymous.li> wrote in message
>>>> news:ucgKG8dzHHA.5052@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>
>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:OQLEp64yHHA.3564@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <msnews.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:eg0OpFCyHHA.4896@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think Microsoft should change "The WOW Starts Now" to "The WTF
>>>>>>>>> Starts Now". After only one day of using Vista I've come to the
>>>>>>>>> realization that it simply wont work for me. All of my hardware
>>>>>>>>> is supported, however, most of the applications I require on a day
>>>>>>>>> to day basis would not run (or install). I've been doing a lot of
>>>>>>>>> reading regarding these type situations and it seems more people
>>>>>>>>> are dissatisfied with Vista than there are who actually like the
>>>>>>>>> new OS. Yea, it's pretty... but whats the use if there is a ton of
>>>>>>>>> software that just wont function. Frustrating.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a waste of bandwidth... not the orignal post, but the
>>>>>>>> unbelievable amount of personal attacks that followed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a waste...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Lang
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can thank Frank for that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alias
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As if you're not party to the nature of these threads. Funny!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lang
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you count? Frank jumps on each and every one of my posts. He does
>>>>> the same with Adam.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> C'mon... that's no answer... the question remains; you don't consider
>>>> yourself party to the nature of these threads? I see you and Frank
>>>> going back and forth for tens of posts following this one... so you're
>>>> saying Frank's to blame for your OT posts in this ng? Uh... no?
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I am a party to these threads but not as much as Frank is. How come
>>> you're not jumping on Frank?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> You just do get it do you? You have the audacity to come into this Vista
>> ng and do nothing but slam MS and Vista, which you don't have then openly
>> promote linux and wonder why people don't like or respect you?
>> Are you that crass and clueless?
>> I guess so, huh. As you have been asked and told not to do it yet you
>> have no respect at all for others or the fact that your promoting another
>> os in this ng is not, repeat is not, acceptable.
>> But you simple don't care. Talk about not having any class at all.
>> You're the prime example pal.
>> Frank
>
> YAWN. http://www.ubuntu.com/, better than Vista or XP.
>
> Alias