even if vista was free I wouldnt tell people to install it!

[Mr. Happy]

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> XP worked out of the box for some, but not all.. printers, keyboards,
> scanners, modems, video cards all fell by the wayside..
>
> Some older programs worked with XP and some didn't.. support was withdrawn
> for older stuff by manufacturers just as it is now..
>
> Vista also works for some out of the box, and again it all depends on the
> mix of hardware and software..
>
> XP needed the service packs, just as Vista will..
>
> There has never been any release of software that didn't have bugs and
> didn't need fixing at some point..
>
> XP required more of everything over and above its Win 9x cousins just as
> Vista requires more than XP..
>
> Some things never change..
>
> Even some Linux distros appear almost every six months in revised form,
> and the present Ubuntu Feisty Fawn has more than 70 updates waiting in the
> wings to be installed by the user..
>
Yes, but keep that in perspective. Ubuntu comes with access to over 25,000
software applications through its repositories. Most of those updates are
for applications and not the os itself.

Shake Hands With,
Mr. Happy

--
Would you purchase an os from this man?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74
.... and he hasn't really changed
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE

 

[AJR]

Not so about XP - check "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" - note there
as many, or more, problem posts as in this newsgroup.


Swingman" <kac@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:EAAD46F3-375B-49BD-BA19-2D10328D77E7@microsoft.com...
> "carl feredeck" wrote in message
>
>> FALSE: XP never had so many problems..it worked fantastic right out of
>> the box.
>
> LOL ... just recently learned how to spell "computer", have we?
>
> --
> www.e-woodshop.net
> Last update: 6/1/07
> KarlC@ (the obvious)
>

 

[Charlie Tame]

AJR wrote:
> Not so about XP - check "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" - note there
> as many, or more, problem posts as in this newsgroup.


A pessimist might interpret that to mean that although XP has problems
the users can at least still get online. it is also reasonable to expect
there to be far fewer Vista users than XP users at this time.

So if the groups look about equal it actually looks really bad for Vista...

 

[Lang Murphy]

"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23QzJa7iyHHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Frank wrote:
>> the open sores hangout for loser like you.
>> Frank
>
> Polly want a cracker?
>
> BTW, loser should be "losers" or "a loser". Failed grammar in school,
> Frankie Boy?
>
> Alias


Yeah... this is a huge contribution to this ng... as if.

Lang

 

[Tim Judd]

Mr. Happy wrote:
> norm wrote:
>
>> Frank wrote:
>>> carl feredeck wrote:
>>>> I wouldn't even say that if they paid people to install it!
>>>>
>>>> Its funny that back when xp was the main MS OS, windows users used
>>>> to make fun of linux since was incompatible with hardware and software.
>>>>
>>>> Now with vista windows is incompatible with hardware and software too!
>>>> What do they have to say now?
>>>>
>>>> And another thing top stupid excuse I have heard about vista
>>>> "When xp was first released it had bugs too, therefore it is ok that
>>>> vista is crap"
>>>>
>>>> FALSE: XP never had so many problems..it worked fantastic right out of
>>>> the box. I can still install XP with no service packs on a computer
>>>> and it will run great. The service packs were more of security patches
>>>> for threats that were created after xp was released. XP was never
>>>> crap.. and people embraced it right away.
>>>> This is NOT happening with vista.... Vista is more of a joke among IT
>>>> people now....
>>>>
>>>> It took 5 years to make vista.. it should have been almost perfect...
>>>> not this repulsive badly written OS. There are no excuses.... MS
>>>> should go out of business if they plan on producing such products.
>>>> Let them make Xboxes and Zunes and let other more serious people make
>>>> OS's.
>>>>
>>> Craw back into you're linux hole...btw...you can find it over at trash
>>> dot, the open sores hangout for loser like you.
>>> Frank
>> Hmmm. The poster is using an ms product.
>> x-newsreader: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6000.16480
>> You might not like the comment(s) he made, but windows mail is not an
>> open source product.
>>
> Yes, but Frankie posts with an "open sores" program. Guess he's never
> figured out how to use Vista's Outhouse Express?
>
> Shake Hands With,
> Mr. Happy
>

And a product that was "new" in April 2006 (more than a year old now).

Vista's newer than his news client.

 

[Tim Judd]

Re: Even though Ubuntu is FREE I wouldn't tell people to installit

Karen Jane Panze wrote:
> BECAUSE IT SUCKS

HEAR HEAR!! 100% behind you on that one.

 

[Alias]

Lang Murphy wrote:
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:%23QzJa7iyHHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Frank wrote:
>>> the open sores hangout for loser like you.
>>> Frank
>>
>> Polly want a cracker?
>>
>> BTW, loser should be "losers" or "a loser". Failed grammar in school,
>> Frankie Boy?
>>
>> Alias
>
>
> Yeah... this is a huge contribution to this ng... as if.
>
> Lang

I agree, calling someone a loser over and over again gets old really fast.

Alias

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

The seventy or so updates will download directly after a new install of
Ubuntu.. there is no indication that they relate to 25,000 programs that the
user may or may not choose to download at some later time..


"Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:1184892663.768939@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> XP worked out of the box for some, but not all.. printers, keyboards,
>> scanners, modems, video cards all fell by the wayside..
>>
>> Some older programs worked with XP and some didn't.. support was
>> withdrawn
>> for older stuff by manufacturers just as it is now..
>>
>> Vista also works for some out of the box, and again it all depends on the
>> mix of hardware and software..
>>
>> XP needed the service packs, just as Vista will..
>>
>> There has never been any release of software that didn't have bugs and
>> didn't need fixing at some point..
>>
>> XP required more of everything over and above its Win 9x cousins just as
>> Vista requires more than XP..
>>
>> Some things never change..
>>
>> Even some Linux distros appear almost every six months in revised form,
>> and the present Ubuntu Feisty Fawn has more than 70 updates waiting in
>> the
>> wings to be installed by the user..
>>
> Yes, but keep that in perspective. Ubuntu comes with access to over 25,000
> software applications through its repositories. Most of those updates are
> for applications and not the os itself.
>
> Shake Hands With,
> Mr. Happy
>
> --
> Would you purchase an os from this man?
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74
> ... and he hasn't really changed
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE
>
>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Alias]

Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
> The seventy or so updates will download directly after a new install of
> Ubuntu.. there is no indication that they relate to 25,000 programs that
> the user may or may not choose to download at some later time..

Only if you don't know how to read. You can check each and every update
if you know how.

Alias
>
>
> "Mr. Happy" <mrhappy@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:1184892663.768939@netadmin1.interbaun.net...
>> Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> XP worked out of the box for some, but not all.. printers, keyboards,
>>> scanners, modems, video cards all fell by the wayside..
>>>
>>> Some older programs worked with XP and some didn't.. support was
>>> withdrawn
>>> for older stuff by manufacturers just as it is now..
>>>
>>> Vista also works for some out of the box, and again it all depends on
>>> the
>>> mix of hardware and software..
>>>
>>> XP needed the service packs, just as Vista will..
>>>
>>> There has never been any release of software that didn't have bugs and
>>> didn't need fixing at some point..
>>>
>>> XP required more of everything over and above its Win 9x cousins just as
>>> Vista requires more than XP..
>>>
>>> Some things never change..
>>>
>>> Even some Linux distros appear almost every six months in revised form,
>>> and the present Ubuntu Feisty Fawn has more than 70 updates waiting
>>> in the
>>> wings to be installed by the user..
>>>
>> Yes, but keep that in perspective. Ubuntu comes with access to over
>> 25,000
>> software applications through its repositories. Most of those updates are
>> for applications and not the os itself.
>>
>> Shake Hands With,
>> Mr. Happy
>>
>> --
>> Would you purchase an os from this man?
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4hyATkQ74
>> ... and he hasn't really changed
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc4MzqBFxZE
>>
>>
>>
>

 

[carl feredeck]

vista has about 5% of the computer market
xp has somthing like 85-90%

so if they are equal that means vista is a disaster, which it is!

"Charlie Tame" <charlie@tames.net> wrote in message
news:e0XvyrmyHHA.1188@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> AJR wrote:
>> Not so about XP - check "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general" - note
>> there as many, or more, problem posts as in this newsgroup.
>
>
> A pessimist might interpret that to mean that although XP has problems the
> users can at least still get online. it is also reasonable to expect there
> to be far fewer Vista users than XP users at this time.
>
> So if the groups look about equal it actually looks really bad for
> Vista...

 

[Generator]

i think vista needs another 3 to 6 months to mature,, then it will be
great..and i would say this time next year,,, xp will be like win 98
when xp came out..more of a second choice os to use. i no for a fact
microsoft is consentrating more on vista sp1 than xp sp3 as there now
saying xp sp3 will not be out till 2008 ,,i cant see that i am sure it
will be out for this year,,i can see vista sp1 being ready before xp
sp3. i think give it 1 year and vista will be on 70% of pc,s ,,but in
the mean time you can still run xp and vista on dual boot or virtual pc
so you have the best of both worlds.


--
Generator

 

[Alias]

Generator wrote:
> i think vista needs another 3 to 6 months to mature,, then it will be
> great..and i would say this time next year,,, xp will be like win 98
> when xp came out..more of a second choice os to use. i no for a fact
> microsoft is consentrating more on vista sp1 than xp sp3 as there now
> saying xp sp3 will not be out till 2008 ,,i cant see that i am sure it
> will be out for this year,,i can see vista sp1 being ready before xp
> sp3. i think give it 1 year and vista will be on 70% of pc,s ,,but in
> the mean time you can still run xp and vista on dual boot or virtual pc
> so you have the best of both worlds.
>
>

I have the best of two worlds with a Ubuntu/XP dual boot

Alias

 

[Stephan Rose]

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:34:21 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:

> The seventy or so updates will download directly after a new install of
> Ubuntu.. there is no indication that they relate to 25,000 programs that the
> user may or may not choose to download at some later time..

Nor does it mean that there are 70 or so updates.

It only means that there are 70 or so *packages* affected by updates. Yes,
there is a difference.

The other week, there was one Open Office update that affected 10 or so
Open Office packages.

So the update manager will show 10 updated packages when in fact it simply
is one update affecting said 10 packages.

That said, why does this even matter anyway?

I get more updates in XP a week than I get in Ubuntu a month...

--
Stephan
2003 Yamaha R6

å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

Ubuntu downloaded and installed 72 individual updates.. the point being made
was that all OS and associated software require updates now and again..
that's a good thing isn't it? constant improvement without incurring costs
on the part of the user?


"Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
news:GZedneV3zvltXj3bnZ2dnUVZ8s_inZ2d@giganews.com...
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:34:21 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>
>> The seventy or so updates will download directly after a new install of
>> Ubuntu.. there is no indication that they relate to 25,000 programs that
>> the
>> user may or may not choose to download at some later time..
>
> Nor does it mean that there are 70 or so updates.
>
> It only means that there are 70 or so *packages* affected by updates. Yes,
> there is a difference.
>
> The other week, there was one Open Office update that affected 10 or so
> Open Office packages.
>
> So the update manager will show 10 updated packages when in fact it simply
> is one update affecting said 10 packages.
>
> That said, why does this even matter anyway?
>
> I get more updates in XP a week than I get in Ubuntu a month...
>
> --
> Stephan
> 2003 Yamaha R6
>
> å›ã®ã“ã¨æ€ã„出ã™æ—¥ãªã‚“ã¦ãªã„ã®ã¯
> å›ã®ã“ã¨å¿˜ã‚ŒãŸã¨ããŒãªã„ã‹ã‚‰

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[carl feredeck]

I dont have a problem with updates.. I welcome them.

I suspect the logic behind vista RTM was.. its not ready & we know it.. lets
push it anyway and patch it with updates.

"Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:OvkKPstyHHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Ubuntu downloaded and installed 72 individual updates.. the point being
> made was that all OS and associated software require updates now and
> again.. that's a good thing isn't it? constant improvement without
> incurring costs on the part of the user?
>
>
> "Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
> news:GZedneV3zvltXj3bnZ2dnUVZ8s_inZ2d@giganews.com...
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:34:21 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>
>>> The seventy or so updates will download directly after a new install of
>>> Ubuntu.. there is no indication that they relate to 25,000 programs that
>>> the
>>> user may or may not choose to download at some later time..
>>
>> Nor does it mean that there are 70 or so updates.
>>
>> It only means that there are 70 or so *packages* affected by updates.
>> Yes,
>> there is a difference.
>>
>> The other week, there was one Open Office update that affected 10 or so
>> Open Office packages.
>>
>> So the update manager will show 10 updated packages when in fact it
>> simply
>> is one update affecting said 10 packages.
>>
>> That said, why does this even matter anyway?
>>
>> I get more updates in XP a week than I get in Ubuntu a month...
>>
>> --
>> Stephan
>> 2003 Yamaha R6
>>
>> ????????????????
>> ??????????????
>
> --
>
>
> Mike Hall
> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>
>
>

 

[Mike Hall - MVP]

As happens with any OS, regardless of platform.. so tell me something new..


"carl feredeck" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:46a0cb53$1@newsgate.x-privat.org...
>I dont have a problem with updates.. I welcome them.
>
> I suspect the logic behind vista RTM was.. its not ready & we know it..
> lets push it anyway and patch it with updates.
>
> "Mike Hall - MVP" <mikehall@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:OvkKPstyHHA.4712@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Ubuntu downloaded and installed 72 individual updates.. the point being
>> made was that all OS and associated software require updates now and
>> again.. that's a good thing isn't it? constant improvement without
>> incurring costs on the part of the user?
>>
>>
>> "Stephan Rose" <nospam.noway@screwspammers.com> wrote in message
>> news:GZedneV3zvltXj3bnZ2dnUVZ8s_inZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:34:21 -0400, Mike Hall - MVP wrote:
>>>
>>>> The seventy or so updates will download directly after a new install of
>>>> Ubuntu.. there is no indication that they relate to 25,000 programs
>>>> that the
>>>> user may or may not choose to download at some later time..
>>>
>>> Nor does it mean that there are 70 or so updates.
>>>
>>> It only means that there are 70 or so *packages* affected by updates.
>>> Yes,
>>> there is a difference.
>>>
>>> The other week, there was one Open Office update that affected 10 or so
>>> Open Office packages.
>>>
>>> So the update manager will show 10 updated packages when in fact it
>>> simply
>>> is one update affecting said 10 packages.
>>>
>>> That said, why does this even matter anyway?
>>>
>>> I get more updates in XP a week than I get in Ubuntu a month...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stephan
>>> 2003 Yamaha R6
>>>
>>> ????????????????
>>> ??????????????
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> Mike Hall
>> MS MVP Windows Shell/User
>> http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/
>>
>>
>>
>
>

--


Mike Hall
MS MVP Windows Shell/User
http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/

 

[Frank]

carl feredeck wrote:

> I dont have a problem with updates.. I welcome them.
>
> I suspect the logic behind vista RTM was.. its not ready & we know it.. lets
> push it anyway and patch it with updates.
>

Is there any constructive reason why you're in this ng?
Frank

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Preaching Ubuntu .....

I guess preaching Ubuntu over and over again gets old really fast!


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:%23qb5vQryHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Lang Murphy wrote:
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:%23QzJa7iyHHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>> the open sores hangout for loser like you.
>>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Polly want a cracker?
>>>
>>> BTW, loser should be "losers" or "a loser". Failed grammar in school,
>>> Frankie Boy?
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>>
>> Yeah... this is a huge contribution to this ng... as if.
>>
>> Lang
>
> I agree, calling someone a loser over and over again gets old really fast.
>
> Alias

 

[Alias]

Re: Preaching Ubuntu .....

Bill Yanaire wrote:
> I guess preaching Ubuntu over and over again gets old really fast!

If it bothers you so much, why do you read my posts?

Alias
>
>
> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
> news:%23qb5vQryHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>> news:%23QzJa7iyHHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> the open sores hangout for loser like you.
>>>>> Frank
>>>> Polly want a cracker?
>>>>
>>>> BTW, loser should be "losers" or "a loser". Failed grammar in school,
>>>> Frankie Boy?
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>>
>>> Yeah... this is a huge contribution to this ng... as if.
>>>
>>> Lang
>> I agree, calling someone a loser over and over again gets old really fast.
>>
>> Alias
>
>

 

[Bill Yanaire]

Re: Preaching Ubuntu .....

Who said it bothers me?


"Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
news:e42YAauyHHA.2224@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> Bill Yanaire wrote:
>> I guess preaching Ubuntu over and over again gets old really fast!
>
> If it bothers you so much, why do you read my posts?
>
> Alias
>>
>>
>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>> news:%23qb5vQryHHA.1208@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Lang Murphy wrote:
>>>> "Alias" <aka@maskedandanonymous.info> wrote in message
>>>> news:%23QzJa7iyHHA.600@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>>>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>>> the open sores hangout for loser like you.
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>> Polly want a cracker?
>>>>>
>>>>> BTW, loser should be "losers" or "a loser". Failed grammar in school,
>>>>> Frankie Boy?
>>>>>
>>>>> Alias
>>>>
>>>> Yeah... this is a huge contribution to this ng... as if.
>>>>
>>>> Lang
>>> I agree, calling someone a loser over and over again gets old really
>>> fast.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>