The newbie's dilemma!

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Many thanks for your advice, Richard.
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Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?

TIA

Dave

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"Richard Urban" wrote in message
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> If you are using Outlook Express just reset the folders on the left. This will dump all present
> messages and allow you to start anew.
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> Properties | Local File | Reset
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> --
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> Richard Urban
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows Desktop Experience
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> "~BD~" wrote in message news:eSDO2tQEJHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
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>> "Peter Foldes" wrote in message news:O0WXWNQEJHA.4936@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> It is over a year old. Why bring this up. If it shows on your system then ...... sigh.... I
>> don't know what to say to you.
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>> Time to clean up your mess Dave
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>> --
>> Peter
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>> *****************************
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>> Hello Peter - I trust you are well.
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>> Why bring it up again? Well, nothing has changed for newbies and as it's not been resolved, I
>> thought maybe Dan would help me figure things out.
>>
>> Maybe if you were to email me (my Hotmail address is active) and suggest what I could/should do
>> to 'clean up your mess' as you put it, some progress could be made. Please post a note here to
>> advise me if you do email as I don't often check that address. Thank you.
>>
>> I'm equally happy for you to make suggestions here, though!
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>> Dave
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>> --
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"FromTheRafters" wrote in message news:OXaMEQSEJHA.616@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>> Does anyone know how long Microsoft leaves messages on its servers? (for these newsgroups)
>
> Just because it is still cached on the web interface or
> "archived" by google groups, it doesn't mean it is still
> retained on the newsgroup server.
>
> I probably wouldn't have been able to find it if it were
> not for the (ugh) web interface URL you posted.
>

Haha! Thanks for your reply.

Maybe you can help me further. I posted a message in the Microsoft security group earlier this
morning in
the Source Code thread. When I checked just now (using Outlook Express) the message header had a
line scored through it and in the message box it said the message is no longer available on the
server.

Have you ever seen this happen before? Any idea why it might happen?

It is, however, still showing on Google Groups. I repeat it here:-

It was in response to you saying ..........

"The transmission is textual - the protocol has no issues I am
aware of. Any security risk would probably be in the extensions
that allow this textual data to 'contain' malware - similar to the
e-mail protocols".

*

*

Hmmm!

What about when 'pictures' or photographs are included (including screenshots) - there's a term for
that which escapes me right now! In other words, not in 'plain text'.


I once received a 'screenshot' as an email attachment (I'd asked for it to be sent to me). I opened
the 'picture' (jpeg I think) and all seemed fine.


I then opened the file with Notepad (I do crazy things like that!). Wow! Inside that file, above
all the 'gobbledegook' one might expect, were *live* links to all manner of web pages ,,,,,,,, of
course I went and looked!


During my experimentation over the years, I've seen lots of SPAM (advertising the likes of Viagra
and Jewelry) - every one of those links shown in Notepad was, I'm certain, taking me to a SPAM site!


I''ve been told that is impossible ........... yet I saw it with my own eyes! So there!


Any thoughts?


Dave


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mmmm ! ...tried to OE "Reply to Group" to ~BD~ 's 4th post on this thread
and my OE or MS rejected it with a "malformed header" !

.... ~BD~ 's security has been compromised ?

....initially attempted to post on this thread :-
Several times in the past, only on rare occasions, in a MS NG, I've had an
OP "bomb out" with a line through it saying that "Message is no longer
available on the server," and resetting the NG in OE fixes it, and the
"problem" OP is re-collected okay - though more likely a problem in my OE !
Having said that, I haven't had the "Message is no longer available on the
server," "glitch" for ages.

regards, Richard


"~BD~" wrote in message
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> Bump!
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> Wondering if this thread is still active
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> ~BD~
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e.g. ?

From: "~BD~"
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Subject: Re: The newbie's dilemma!
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:03 +0100
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X-Priority: 3
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X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
Message-ID:
Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-0-202-70.as43234.net 92.0.202.70
Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677
 
On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" wrote:
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> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677

Hi Richard! Thanks for posting.
smile.gif


Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
'References' have come from?

Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)

Dave
 
I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header /
Properties, that I tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any
of it was what my OE / or MS GN server objected to with the "malformed
header" warning !

....and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is
not appearing as it does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details |
Message Source ?

regards, Richard


"BoaterDave" wrote in message
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> On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" wrote:
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>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677
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> Hi Richard! Thanks for posting.
smile.gif

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> Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
> 'References' have come from?
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> Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
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> Dave
 
"BoaterDave" wrote in message
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> On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" wrote:
>> e.g. ?
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>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
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>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677
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> Hi Richard! Thanks for posting.
smile.gif

>
> Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
> 'References' have come from?
>
> Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)

That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
little confused.

If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
topic structure laid out by the webmaster.

Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
the person that made that post because that person has probably
moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).
 
Moved to bottom post!

> "BoaterDave" wrote in message
> news:cf1f6993-4d9a-43e0-b6e7-bec402c65108@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" wrote:
>>> e.g. ?
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>>> From: "~BD~"
>>> References:
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>>> Subject: Re: The newbie's dilemma!
>>> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:03 +0100
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>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
>>> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
>>> Message-ID:
>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-0-202-70.as43234.net 92.0.202.70
>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677
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>> Hi Richard! Thanks for posting.
smile.gif

>>
>> Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
>> 'References' have come from?
>>
>> Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
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>> Dave
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"RJK" wrote in message news:OdfI4xzEJHA.224@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I haven't a clue ! ...I looked at your, (4th on this thread), post header / Properties, that I
>tried to "Reply to Group" with, and just wondered if any of it was what my OE / or MS GN server
>objected to with the "malformed header" warning !
>
> ...and even though I copied and pasted in plain text, ...all that stuff is not appearing as it
> does when viewing that 4th post | properties | details | Message Source ?
>
> regards, Richard

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Hi Richard. You've no doubt noticed that when I post using Outlook Express, I'm using ~BD~ an my
'nickname'. When checking on *my* PC at the 4th in this thread, I see "References:
". (Same as you in the first line of References)

When posting from Google Groups I use BoaterDave. On checking here, in OE, the 3rd post *all* the
References are showing in the Properties just as you have indicated.

Puzzled, I looked again at the Properties box for the post *from* OE. Then I noticed ... Doh! There
are *scroll* bars! So I copied and pasted everything I could under References: and pasted it into
Notepad (word wrap). This was the result:

References:











As far as I can tell- it is EXACTLY the same information as shown in the header from google.!!!!

Hopefully then ............. Your question "... ~BD~ 's security has been compromised ?" has been
answered in the negative (but one never knows!

No doubt there are complicated technical reasons for showing things in a different format, but I
suspect I don't really need to know! (or do I?!!)

Dave
 
"FromTheRafters" wrote in message
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> "BoaterDave" wrote in message
> news:cf1f6993-4d9a-43e0-b6e7-bec402c65108@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> On 10 Sep, 10:57, "RJK" wrote:
>>> e.g. ?
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>>> From: "~BD~"
>>> References:
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>>> Subject: Re: The newbie's dilemma!
>>> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 20:43:03 +0100
>>> Lines: 43
>>> X-Priority: 3
>>> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
>>> X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512
>>> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579
>>> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original
>>> Message-ID:
>>> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.security.virus
>>> NNTP-Posting-Host: host-92-0-202-70.as43234.net 92.0.202.70
>>> Path: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl!TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl
>>> Xref: TK2MSFTNGP01.phx.gbl microsoft.public.security.virus:82677
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>> Hi Richard! Thanks for posting.
smile.gif

>>
>> Now - can you, or anyone else, explain just where all those
>> 'References' have come from?
>>
>> Interesting 'stuff'! (to me anyway!)
>
> That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
> dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
> conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
> little confused.
>
> If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
> hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
> even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
> the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
> have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
> is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
> sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
> topic structure laid out by the webmaster.
>
> Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
> the person that made that post because that person has probably
> moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
> as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).
>
>
>
 
"FromTheRafters" wrote in message
news:%23LT1ad0EJHA.3488@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...



> That is how usenet posts are threaded - when you crosspost,
> dig up old posts, and change subject lines in the middle of a
> conversation - (and use web interfaces?) things might get a
> little confused.
>
> If you have a new subject - start a new thread rather than
> hijacking an old or current (different subject) thread. In fact
> even if your subject is the same as the subject of the thread
> the conversation may have drifted to the point that others
> have chosen to ignore the entire thread - starting a new one
> is the best option. This is not a web forum in the traditional
> sense where you would be asked to post within a preexisting
> topic structure laid out by the webmaster.
>
> Also, replying to a post from months ago probably won't help
> the person that made that post because that person has probably
> moved on by then (there is no webmaster to declare a subject
> as "dead" or "resolved" or whatever).
>
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>

All your points noted and much appreciated FTR. Thank you.

You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
http://microsoftforum.net/virus-information/90006-t...es-dilemma.html

What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the time to read, and comment
maybe on all that had gone before ......... and is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in
there somewhere though!

I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread. I do hope so anyway.

Dave
 
"~BD~" wrote in message news:erK4QtYEJHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
>
> TIA
>
> Dave


Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

Dave

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"~BD~" wrote in message
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> "~BD~" wrote in message
> news:erK4QtYEJHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>> Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dave
>
>
> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?

It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
 
"FromTheRafters" wrote in message
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> "~BD~" wrote in message news:OK7UNs2EJHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
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>> "~BD~" wrote in message news:erK4QtYEJHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Dave
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>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?
>
> It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
> for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
> oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
> your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
>
>

Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate!

Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.

Dave

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> You will recall this link which I posted for those very reasons:
> http://microsoftforum.net/virus-information/90006-t...es-dilemma.html

I won't participate in web forums even if they're not
really forums but only usenet web interfaces.

> What I had hoped was that Dan, or someone like yourself, would take the
> time to read, and comment maybe on all that had gone before ......... and
> is now but a muddle in my head! There's a clue in there somewhere though!

I would have if it had been convenient for me to do so.

> I have a mission - and was/am looking for help and/or guidance.

It's hard to know who to trust, and you shouldn't base
trust on the alphabet soup in someones signature block.
You get a feel for who to trust after taking the time to
read various posts.

....and even this is no guarantee

> Additionally, it might just help others if they read the original thread.
> I do hope so anyway.

Information is a good thing!
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"~BD~" wrote in message
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> "FromTheRafters" wrote in message
> news:%23MuQkv5EJHA.1268@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
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>> "~BD~" wrote in message
>> news:OK7UNs2EJHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
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>>> "~BD~" wrote in message
>>> news:erK4QtYEJHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>>> Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
>>>>
>>>> TIA
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
>>> servers?
>>
>> It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
>> for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
>> oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
>> your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
>>
>>
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> Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate!
>
> Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.

Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsg...r=US&sloc=en-us
 
I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
may be of interest to you.

http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_gro...ntion_rates.htm

"FromTheRafters" wrote in message
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> "~BD~" wrote in message
> news:OK7UNs2EJHA.5224@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
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>> "~BD~" wrote in message
>> news:erK4QtYEJHA.3996@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
>>> Do you know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its servers?
>>>
>>> TIA
>>>
>>> Dave
>>
>>
>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
>> servers?
>
> It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
> for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
> oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
> your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
>
 
"FromTheRafters" wrote in message news:O0OL1Z6EJHA.4260@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
>I couldn't find msnews.microsoft.com listed, but this
> may be of interest to you.
>
> http://www.newsgroupservers.net/usenet_gro...ntion_rates.htm
>


Thank you FTR.

An interesting read. It also reminded me of the word 'Binaries' - an expression which I simply could
not recall when making a post recently!
smile.gif


Dave

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"FromTheRafters" wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its' servers?
>>>
>>> It may be there until the space it occupies is needed
>>> for another message - that is the newest in pushes the
>>> oldest out. If that is the way they have it set up, then
>>> your question cannot be answered quantitatively.
>>>
>>>
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>> Thanks for your comment, FTR. However, you speculate!
>>
>> Does anyone *know* the answer? Simply curious is all.
>
> Different group, years ago, but maybe some insight for you.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsg...r=US&sloc=en-us
>
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>
>
It is most kind of you to seek out such items for my review, FTR. Thank you!

Interesting comment there from Joseph, viz

"There is no firewall on the computer ..... "

Dave

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Ooops!

Ooops! My finger slipped! Sorry!
 
>> Anyone else know how long Microsoft leaves these messages on its'
>> servers?

The default rention period for MS public newsgroups is 90 days.
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