SP3 will not install but no error message

[LewB]

Well of course if you scan outside your OS and items are identified that

McAfee did not then McAfee is an inferior product. So what do you use to

remove the culprits?? I need some help regarding the recommendations. I

should download a program like AVG and find the bootable disc area and burn

to a CD?? Then what....place the bootable disc in CD tray so the computer

boots from it....and a scan will automatically run from that point??

--

LJB





"sgopus" wrote:



> Actually they are not, Glee did not make any statements ie Mcafee, and also

> recommended to scan outside of the operating system, this is not to say use

> Mcafee to do the scan, use something else thats better. AVG I think, has the

> ability to make a bootable disk, burn the engine to the cd and boot to it,

> scan your hd that way.

>

> "LewB" wrote:

>

> > Your thoughts are at some variance from Glee's who says the program should be

> > scanned from outside the OS. Any other thoughts from anyone.

> > --

> > LJB

> >

> >

> > "Michael" wrote:

> >

> > > CrapAfee is a resource hog that is bottom of the barrel as far as AV is

> > > concerned. It's the equivalent of having a screen door on a submarine.

> > > Norton is better at catching stuff, but if you don't have a ton of RAM, it

> > > also slows your system to a crawl. Download CrapAfee's removal tool, then

> > > download Microsoft Security Essentials (my preference). Run CrapAfee's

> > > removal, reboot, then install MSE. Your computer will run smoother and

> > > you'll be better protected.

> > >

> > > I'm not a M$ whore. I just like MSE and I've had extensive experience with

> > > CrapAfee and Norton.

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > >

> > > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.

> > > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

> > >

> > >

> > > "LewB" wrote in message

> > > news:096A6A43-643E-45CA-B721-E6F43FA0576B@microsoft.com...

> > > > Hi Michael,

> > > > Can you expand on McAfee comment. I had Avast for awhile but a lot of

> > > > items (viruses, malware) were found on the scans I would manually run and

> > > > I

> > > > went through a number of programs and never resolved the problem....even

> > > > though the computer functioned normally. I was in communication with

> > > > Avast

> > > > in Germany for weeks via email being advised to run Mawarebytes, HiJack

> > > > It,

> > > > and other similar malware programs. Finally a computer wise person said

> > > > McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost so I went

> > > > for

> > > > it. I have always considered it to be in the same league as Norton, etc.

> > > > Is

> > > > there some particular problem you have had with McAfee (I know it's a big

> > > > program) etc. Thus far I have not had any problems and all of their

> > > > automatic scans and those I run manually have been negative. I had to

> > > > take

> > > > this computer in for some diagnostics recently and the computer geeks

> > > > insisted that I had viruses etc. When I brought the machine home and ran

> > > > a

> > > > McAfee scan no problems were found. I have also been told that the virus

> > > > programs/scans can produce false positives. All very confusing and would

> > > > appreciate your input....and from others reading this thread. Thanks

> > > > Lew

> > > > --

> > > > LJB

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > "Michael" wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> LewB do yourself a favor and dump CrapAfee altogether. It's the worst of

> > > >> the worst.

> > > >>

> > > >> --

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.

> > > >> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> "LewB" wrote in message

> > > >> news:55AB9AB2-1015-4BBB-B8ED-360EF0FAC405@microsoft.com...

> > > >> > Your questions are appropriate and I accept guilt for the inertia and

> > > >> > delay.

> > > >> > But it's never too late and after reading your response and others it

> > > >> > finally

> > > >> > installed. For others reading this correspondence deactivate your

> > > >> > antiviral

> > > >> > program...in this instance McAfee.

> > > >> > --

> > > >> > LJB

> > > >> >

> > > >> >

> > > >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> > > >> >

> > > >> >> Why wasn't SP3 installed two years ago?

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Are you currently running WinXP SP2?

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your

> > > >> >> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than

> > > >> >> Defender)?

> > > >> >> What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications

> > > >> >> running

> > > >> >> in the background when you attempted to install SP3?

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the

> > > >> >> computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you

> > > >> >> bought

> > > >> >> it)?

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3

> > > >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

> > > >> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3

> > > >> >> was

> > > >> >> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost

> > > >> >> you

> > > >> >> US$59 or higher per incident now.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After

> > > >> >> that

> > > >> >> date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any

> > > >> >> further

> > > >> >> critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and

> > > >> >> Windows

> > > >> >> Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> > > >> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

> > > >> >> --

> > > >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> > > >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> LewB wrote:

> > > >> >> > I', trying to install SP3 for my XP professional program, I used

> > > >> >> > the

> > > >> >> > express method and the files were downloaded to the computer and

> > > >> >> > installation started Wizard. The program gets "stuck" very early on

> > > >> >> > at

> > > >> >> > the

> > > >> >> > part "updating your system, creating cabinets, etc. details says

> > > >> >> > Running

> > > >> >> > Process Before Install". 5 progress bars come up and that is it!!

> > > >> >> > But

> > > >> >> > there is no error message, etc. Just stuck. Thanks everyone

> > > >> >>

> > > >> >> .

> > > >> >>

> > > >> .

> > > >>

> > > .

> > >

 

[glee]

Apparently you didn't read my reply to the last post:



The bootable CD anti-virus I use is the Avira Rescue Disc...there are

others:

http://www.free-av.com/en/products/12/avira_antivir_rescue_system.html



These instructions should be read carefully before beginning:

Tutorial for Avira Rescue CD -

http://forum.avira.com/wbb/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=82163



Note there is also an Update button in the program, and if you are

connected online with a permanent broadband connection, it will be able

to update if you select it.



The configuration settings shown in the tutorial have Avira attempt to

repair infected files, and rename if not successful. This is generally

the best option, but I often run it with the 'protocol malware records

only' setting instead, so I can read the resulting log *without* having

fixed anything. That way, if a root kit has infected a critical system

file, I can determine where and how to find a clean replacement file,

and how to go about copying the good file after I do a cleaning by

re-running the Avira Rescue CD with the settings at 'repair or rename'.

Generally I will replace a file using the command line in Recovery

Console.



The Linux-based Avira CD sometimes has a problem running on some

laptops, due to driver issues.



If I slave the drive to another computer, I will run the AV from that

computer on the drive (Avira or Avast or MSE, depending on which system

I connect it to). I will also consider running the Protection Scan

online from OneCare, selecting the slave hard drive:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/howsafe.htm



If doing all that is beyond what you feel comfortable doing, you should

find a competent computer repair technician who will follow these

procedures on your system.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/





"LewB" wrote in message

news:96F0AB5E-ACCF-483D-83C7-473BC38AFDC3@microsoft.com...

> Well of course if you scan outside your OS and items are identified

> that

> McAfee did not then McAfee is an inferior product. So what do you use

> to

> remove the culprits?? I need some help regarding the recommendations.

> I

> should download a program like AVG and find the bootable disc area and

> burn

> to a CD?? Then what....place the bootable disc in CD tray so the

> computer

> boots from it....and a scan will automatically run from that point??

> --

> LJB

>

>

> "sgopus" wrote:

>

>> Actually they are not, Glee did not make any statements ie Mcafee,

>> and also

>> recommended to scan outside of the operating system, this is not to

>> say use

>> Mcafee to do the scan, use something else thats better. AVG I think,

>> has the

>> ability to make a bootable disk, burn the engine to the cd and boot

>> to it,

>> scan your hd that way.

>>

>> "LewB" wrote:

>>

>> > Your thoughts are at some variance from Glee's who says the program

>> > should be

>> > scanned from outside the OS. Any other thoughts from anyone.

>> > --

>> > LJB

>> >

>> >

>> > "Michael" wrote:

>> >

>> > > CrapAfee is a resource hog that is bottom of the barrel as far as

>> > > AV is

>> > > concerned. It's the equivalent of having a screen door on a

>> > > submarine.

>> > > Norton is better at catching stuff, but if you don't have a ton

>> > > of RAM, it

>> > > also slows your system to a crawl. Download CrapAfee's removal

>> > > tool, then

>> > > download Microsoft Security Essentials (my preference). Run

>> > > CrapAfee's

>> > > removal, reboot, then install MSE. Your computer will run

>> > > smoother and

>> > > you'll be better protected.

>> > >

>> > > I'm not a M$ whore. I just like MSE and I've had extensive

>> > > experience with

>> > > CrapAfee and Norton.

>> > >

>> > > --

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > "Don't pick a fight with an old man.

>> > > If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > "LewB" wrote in message

>> > > news:096A6A43-643E-45CA-B721-E6F43FA0576B@microsoft.com...

>> > > > Hi Michael,

>> > > > Can you expand on McAfee comment. I had Avast for awhile but

>> > > > a lot of

>> > > > items (viruses, malware) were found on the scans I would

>> > > > manually run and

>> > > > I

>> > > > went through a number of programs and never resolved the

>> > > > problem....even

>> > > > though the computer functioned normally. I was in

>> > > > communication with

>> > > > Avast

>> > > > in Germany for weeks via email being advised to run

>> > > > Mawarebytes, HiJack

>> > > > It,

>> > > > and other similar malware programs. Finally a computer wise

>> > > > person said

>> > > > McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost

>> > > > so I went

>> > > > for

>> > > > it. I have always considered it to be in the same league as

>> > > > Norton, etc.

>> > > > Is

>> > > > there some particular problem you have had with McAfee (I know

>> > > > it's a big

>> > > > program) etc. Thus far I have not had any problems and all of

>> > > > their

>> > > > automatic scans and those I run manually have been negative. I

>> > > > had to

>> > > > take

>> > > > this computer in for some diagnostics recently and the computer

>> > > > geeks

>> > > > insisted that I had viruses etc. When I brought the machine

>> > > > home and ran

>> > > > a

>> > > > McAfee scan no problems were found. I have also been told that

>> > > > the virus

>> > > > programs/scans can produce false positives. All very confusing

>> > > > and would

>> > > > appreciate your input....and from others reading this thread.

>> > > > Thanks

>> > > > Lew

>> > > > --

>> > > > LJB

>> > > >

>> > > >

>> > > > "Michael" wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > >> LewB do yourself a favor and dump CrapAfee altogether. It's

>> > > >> the worst of

>> > > >> the worst.

>> > > >>

>> > > >> --

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

>> > > >> "Don't pick a fight with an old man.

>> > > >> If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

>> > > >>

>> > > >>

>> > > >> "LewB" wrote in message

>> > > >> news:55AB9AB2-1015-4BBB-B8ED-360EF0FAC405@microsoft.com...

>> > > >> > Your questions are appropriate and I accept guilt for the

>> > > >> > inertia and

>> > > >> > delay.

>> > > >> > But it's never too late and after reading your response and

>> > > >> > others it

>> > > >> > finally

>> > > >> > installed. For others reading this correspondence deactivate

>> > > >> > your

>> > > >> > antiviral

>> > > >> > program...in this instance McAfee.

>> > > >> > --

>> > > >> > LJB

>> > > >> >

>> > > >> >

>> > > >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>> > > >> >

>> > > >> >> Why wasn't SP3 installed two years ago?

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> Are you currently running WinXP SP2?

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed

>> > > >> >> and is your

>> > > >> >> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications

>> > > >> >> (other than

>> > > >> >> Defender)?

>> > > >> >> What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these

>> > > >> >> applications

>> > > >> >> running

>> > > >> >> in the background when you attempted to install SP3?

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been

>> > > >> >> installed on the

>> > > >> >> computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled

>> > > >> >> when you

>> > > >> >> bought

>> > > >> >> it)?

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP

>> > > >> >> SP3

>> > > >> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful

>> > > >> >> installation

>> > > >> >> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for

>> > > >> >> WinXP SP3

>> > > >> >> was

>> > > >> >> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support

>> > > >> >> will cost

>> > > >> >> you

>> > > >> >> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July

>> > > >> >> 2010. After

>> > > >> >> that

>> > > >> >> date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered

>> > > >> >> any

>> > > >> >> further

>> > > >> >> critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work,

>> > > >> >> and

>> > > >> >> Windows

>> > > >> >> Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is

>> > > >> >> installed.

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer

>> > > >> >> supported?

>> > > >> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>> > > >> >> --

>> > > >> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> > > >> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> LewB wrote:

>> > > >> >> > I', trying to install SP3 for my XP professional program,

>> > > >> >> > I used

>> > > >> >> > the

>> > > >> >> > express method and the files were downloaded to the

>> > > >> >> > computer and

>> > > >> >> > installation started Wizard. The program gets "stuck"

>> > > >> >> > very early on

>> > > >> >> > at

>> > > >> >> > the

>> > > >> >> > part "updating your system, creating cabinets, etc.

>> > > >> >> > details says

>> > > >> >> > Running

>> > > >> >> > Process Before Install". 5 progress bars come up and

>> > > >> >> > that is it!!

>> > > >> >> > But

>> > > >> >> > there is no error message, etc. Just stuck. Thanks

>> > > >> >> > everyone

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> >> .

>> > > >> >>

>> > > >> .

>> > > >>

>> > > .

>> > >

 

[LewB]

Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not to say

that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper because

they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

Lew

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

> > computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

> > antivirus from Webroot...

> .

>

 

[glee]

LOL...they think the only choices are Webroot or McAfee?! How sad is

that?!





"LewB" wrote in message

news:FAE3FC49-D03E-4289-BBC5-60B0662D87E8@microsoft.com...

> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not

> to say

> that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper

> because

> they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> Lew

>

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>> > Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise.

>> > The

>> > computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

>> > Spyseeper

>> > antivirus from Webroot...

>>

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you bought it and

did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they sold it to

you* ??



LewB wrote:

> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not to

> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper

> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> Lew

>

>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

>>> antivirus from Webroot...

>> .

 

[LewB]

Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it together

retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from Cox myself

after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus" I could not

remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of Malwarebyte, HiJack It,

etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was touted by

people who are conversant with the subject including one IT person. Data

Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard drive was

failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove the

"virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something with the

registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All for only $400.

(sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in the tower and after

running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a clone to the new

one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked beautifully. And then made

some changes in msconfig/startup to address the programs starting on boot. I

guess you can go into the registry itself to do a better job but I haven't

got that far yet. And that is how the issue of viruses, McAfee,etc developed.

It is apparent to me after listening and reading multiple accounts that

there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these virus

programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

Lew

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you bought it and

> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they sold it to

> you* ??

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not to

> > say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper

> > because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> > Lew

> >

> >> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

> >>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

> >>> antivirus from Webroot...

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that computer

unless you reinstall WinXP first.



And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer will not be

offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not

work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is installed.



What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean



Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

US$59 or higher per incident now.





LewB wrote:

> Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it together

> retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from Cox

> myself

> after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus" I could

> not

> remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of Malwarebyte, HiJack

> It,

> etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was touted by

> people who are conversant with the subject including one IT person. Data

> Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard drive was

> failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove the

> "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something with the

> registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All for only

> $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in the tower

> and

> after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a clone to

> the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked beautifully. And

> then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the programs

> starting

> on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a better job

> but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of viruses,

> McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening and reading

> multiple accounts that

> there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these virus

> programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

> Lew

>

>> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you bought it

>> and

>> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they sold it

>> to

>> you* ??

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not

>>> to

>>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper

>>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

>>> Lew

>>>

>>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise.

>>>>> The

>>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

>>>>> Spyseeper

>>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

>>>> .

>>

>> .

 

[LewB]

Oh no. I have already installed SP3. The clone procedure transferred the

entire system, XP Pro, and all my apps and files to the new HD and, after

disabling McAfee, SP3 installed flawlessly.

And in regard to my last post about lack of consensus about AV programs

this link raises the same questions about Microsoft's Security Essentials and

other programs. Especially if you scroll down and read the responses to the

article. Of course we do not know the backgound(s) of the responder(s)

although one lists himself/herself as a software program developer.

Lew



http://www.pcworld.com/article/172958/independent_tester_security_essentials_very_good.html

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that computer

> unless you reinstall WinXP first.

>

> And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer will not be

> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not

> work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is installed.

>

> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>

> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it together

> > retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from Cox

> > myself

> > after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus" I could

> > not

> > remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of Malwarebyte, HiJack

> > It,

> > etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was touted by

> > people who are conversant with the subject including one IT person. Data

> > Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard drive was

> > failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove the

> > "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something with the

> > registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All for only

> > $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in the tower

> > and

> > after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a clone to

> > the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked beautifully. And

> > then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the programs

> > starting

> > on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a better job

> > but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of viruses,

> > McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening and reading

> > multiple accounts that

> > there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these virus

> > programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

> > Lew

> >

> >> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you bought it

> >> and

> >> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they sold it

> >> to

> >> you* ??

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not

> >>> to

> >>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper

> >>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> >>> Lew

> >>>

> >>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise.

> >>>>> The

> >>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

> >>>>> Spyseeper

> >>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[glee]

The proof is in the pudding, as they say. There are many testing

organizations that test AV apps in various ways and get variable

results, but MSE is usually at or near the top. More importantly is how

they act in the real world, under fire, so to speak. Those such as

Robear who have worked in malware removal forums and security forums

dealing with viruses, trojans and assorted malware, form opinions based

on experience with the failures and successes of the various AV

programs. I consider those opinions to hold a bit more weight than

"some guy" on the Internet posting a review based on his one computer.



Similarly, I place more weight on the opinion of experienced auto

mechanics than I do on a review in Consumer Reports, as to what used car

is more reliable.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/





"LewB" wrote in message

news:81D8EB8E-F64C-4BC4-9101-7EA9C327B9B5@microsoft.com...

> Oh no. I have already installed SP3. The clone procedure transferred

> the

> entire system, XP Pro, and all my apps and files to the new HD and,

> after

> disabling McAfee, SP3 installed flawlessly.

> And in regard to my last post about lack of consensus about AV

> programs

> this link raises the same questions about Microsoft's Security

> Essentials and

> other programs. Especially if you scroll down and read the responses

> to the

> article. Of course we do not know the backgound(s) of the

> responder(s)

> although one lists himself/herself as a software program developer.

> Lew

>

> http://www.pcworld.com/article/172958/independent_tester_security_essentials_very_good.html

> --

> LJB

>

>

> "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>

>> In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that

>> computer

>> unless you reinstall WinXP first.

>>

>> And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer will

>> not be

>> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will

>> not

>> work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is

>> installed.

>>

>> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>>

>> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3

>> was

>> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost

>> you

>> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>> > Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it

>> > together

>> > retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from

>> > Cox

>> > myself

>> > after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus" I

>> > could

>> > not

>> > remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of Malwarebyte,

>> > HiJack

>> > It,

>> > etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was

>> > touted by

>> > people who are conversant with the subject including one IT person.

>> > Data

>> > Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard

>> > drive was

>> > failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove

>> > the

>> > "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something with

>> > the

>> > registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All for

>> > only

>> > $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in the

>> > tower

>> > and

>> > after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a

>> > clone to

>> > the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked

>> > beautifully. And

>> > then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the programs

>> > starting

>> > on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a

>> > better job

>> > but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of

>> > viruses,

>> > McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening and

>> > reading

>> > multiple accounts that

>> > there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these

>> > virus

>> > programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

>> > Lew

>> >

>> >> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you

>> >> bought it

>> >> and

>> >> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they

>> >> sold it

>> >> to

>> >> you* ??

>> >>

>> >> LewB wrote:

>> >>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which

>> >>> is not

>> >>> to

>> >>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer

>> >>> Spyweeper

>> >>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

>> >>> Lew

>> >>>

>> >>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

>> >>>>

>> >>>> LewB wrote:

>> >>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or

>> >>>>> otherwise.

>> >>>>> The

>> >>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

>> >>>>> Spyseeper

>> >>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

>> >>>> .

>> >>

>> >> .

>>

>> .

>>

 

[LewB]

I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee and

then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and AdWare?

I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

comment to the others. Thanks.

Lew





--

LJB





"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:



> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:17:01 -0700, LewB

> wrote:

>

> > Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

> > computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

> > antivirus from Webroot. I had their basic program spyware program for a

> > number of years before their antivirus program became available. There

> > should be some consensus of opinion from those of you that follow these

> > matters closely as to the best two or three or four one should consider.

> > Thanks.

>

>

> Here are my recommendations:

>

> Get one of the following anti-virus programs

>

> The best--NOD32

>

> Free and almost as good--Avira, Avast, or Microsoft Security

> Essentials (as I said in my last message).

>

> Also get at least the following two anti-spyware programs (both

> freeware)--MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and SuperAntiSpyware. Having more

> than two is even better, but don't run them at the same time.

>

>

>

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:44:11 -0700, LewB

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Finally a computer wise person said

> > > > McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost so I went for

> > > > it.

> > >

> > >

> > > Ugh! There are several better anti-virus programs available for free:

> > > Avira, Avast, and Microsoft Security Essentials.

> > >

> > >

> > > > I have always considered it to be in the same league as Norton, etc. I

> > >

> > >

> > > LOL! Yes, it's in *exactly* the same league as Norton. As far as I

> > > (and many others here) am concerned those are the two worst anti-virus

> > > programs available.

> > >

> > > It's a big shame, as far as I'm concerned. Twenty years or so ago,

> > > McAfee was the best such program available, Then Norton took over as

> > > the best. But today, Norton is the worst, and McAfee is second worst.

> > > What happened to them and why they went from the top to the bottom, I

> > > don't know.

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > .

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> .

>

 

[LewB]

I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee and

then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and AdWare?

I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

comment to the others. Thanks.

Lew



--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that computer

> unless you reinstall WinXP first.

>

> And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer will not be

> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not

> work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is installed.

>

> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>

> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it together

> > retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from Cox

> > myself

> > after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus" I could

> > not

> > remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of Malwarebyte, HiJack

> > It,

> > etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was touted by

> > people who are conversant with the subject including one IT person. Data

> > Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard drive was

> > failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove the

> > "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something with the

> > registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All for only

> > $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in the tower

> > and

> > after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a clone to

> > the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked beautifully. And

> > then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the programs

> > starting

> > on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a better job

> > but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of viruses,

> > McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening and reading

> > multiple accounts that

> > there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these virus

> > programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

> > Lew

> >

> >> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you bought it

> >> and

> >> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they sold it

> >> to

> >> you* ??

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which is not

> >>> to

> >>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer Spyweeper

> >>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> >>> Lew

> >>>

> >>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise.

> >>>>> The

> >>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

> >>>>> Spyseeper

> >>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[LewB]

I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee and

then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and AdWare?

I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

comment to the others. Thanks.

Lew



--

LJB





"glee" wrote:



> The proof is in the pudding, as they say. There are many testing

> organizations that test AV apps in various ways and get variable

> results, but MSE is usually at or near the top. More importantly is how

> they act in the real world, under fire, so to speak. Those such as

> Robear who have worked in malware removal forums and security forums

> dealing with viruses, trojans and assorted malware, form opinions based

> on experience with the failures and successes of the various AV

> programs. I consider those opinions to hold a bit more weight than

> "some guy" on the Internet posting a review based on his one computer.

>

> Similarly, I place more weight on the opinion of experienced auto

> mechanics than I do on a review in Consumer Reports, as to what used car

> is more reliable.

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

> A+

> http://dts-l.net/

>

>

> "LewB" wrote in message

> news:81D8EB8E-F64C-4BC4-9101-7EA9C327B9B5@microsoft.com...

> > Oh no. I have already installed SP3. The clone procedure transferred

> > the

> > entire system, XP Pro, and all my apps and files to the new HD and,

> > after

> > disabling McAfee, SP3 installed flawlessly.

> > And in regard to my last post about lack of consensus about AV

> > programs

> > this link raises the same questions about Microsoft's Security

> > Essentials and

> > other programs. Especially if you scroll down and read the responses

> > to the

> > article. Of course we do not know the backgound(s) of the

> > responder(s)

> > although one lists himself/herself as a software program developer.

> > Lew

> >

> > http://www.pcworld.com/article/172958/independent_tester_security_essentials_very_good.html

> > --

> > LJB

> >

> >

> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >

> >> In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that

> >> computer

> >> unless you reinstall WinXP first.

> >>

> >> And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer will

> >> not be

> >> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will

> >> not

> >> work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is

> >> installed.

> >>

> >> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

> >>

> >> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3

> >> was

> >> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost

> >> you

> >> US$59 or higher per incident now.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >> > Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it

> >> > together

> >> > retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from

> >> > Cox

> >> > myself

> >> > after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus" I

> >> > could

> >> > not

> >> > remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of Malwarebyte,

> >> > HiJack

> >> > It,

> >> > etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was

> >> > touted by

> >> > people who are conversant with the subject including one IT person.

> >> > Data

> >> > Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard

> >> > drive was

> >> > failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove

> >> > the

> >> > "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something with

> >> > the

> >> > registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All for

> >> > only

> >> > $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in the

> >> > tower

> >> > and

> >> > after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a

> >> > clone to

> >> > the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked

> >> > beautifully. And

> >> > then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the programs

> >> > starting

> >> > on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a

> >> > better job

> >> > but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of

> >> > viruses,

> >> > McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening and

> >> > reading

> >> > multiple accounts that

> >> > there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these

> >> > virus

> >> > programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

> >> > Lew

> >> >

> >> >> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you

> >> >> bought it

> >> >> and

> >> >> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after they

> >> >> sold it

> >> >> to

> >> >> you* ??

> >> >>

> >> >> LewB wrote:

> >> >>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit which

> >> >>> is not

> >> >>> to

> >> >>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer

> >> >>> Spyweeper

> >> >>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> >> >>> Lew

> >> >>>

> >> >>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

> >> >>>>

> >> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >> >>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or

> >> >>>>> otherwise.

> >> >>>>> The

> >> >>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

> >> >>>>> Spyseeper

> >> >>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

> >> >>>> .

> >> >>

> >> >> .

> >>

> >> .

> >>

>

> .

>

 

[Michael]

"LewB" wrote in message

news:42774A28-1B73-4D39-8C15-65B4088975AD@microsoft.com...

> I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

> since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee

> and

> then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

> I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

> for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

> Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

> two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

> downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

> from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and

> AdWare?

> I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

> comment to the others. Thanks.

> Lew



First, it's not wise to have 2 AV running at the same time. They'll

interfere with each other at the expense of your protection. I'll tell you

again to dump CrapAfee and use MSE.

Second, I'd stick with Malwarebytes and Superantispyware.

--





"Don't pick a fight with an old man.

If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

 

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:44:01 -0700, LewB

wrote:



> I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

> since 2006.





There is no program with that name. Please clarify exactly what you

mean. Do you mean Defender?







> Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee and

> then run the MSE to see how the two compare?





MSE is much better than McAfee.







> I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

> for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

> Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

> two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

> downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

> from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and AdWare?







They are OK, but not a good as Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware. I

would run them *instead* of Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware, but I

don't object to also running them.





> I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

> comment to the others. Thanks.

> Lew

>

>

> --

> LJB

>

>

> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>

> > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:17:01 -0700, LewB

> > wrote:

> >

> > > Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

> > > computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

> > > antivirus from Webroot. I had their basic program spyware program for a

> > > number of years before their antivirus program became available. There

> > > should be some consensus of opinion from those of you that follow these

> > > matters closely as to the best two or three or four one should consider.

> > > Thanks.

> >

> >

> > Here are my recommendations:

> >

> > Get one of the following anti-virus programs

> >

> > The best--NOD32

> >

> > Free and almost as good--Avira, Avast, or Microsoft Security

> > Essentials (as I said in my last message).

> >

> > Also get at least the following two anti-spyware programs (both

> > freeware)--MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and SuperAntiSpyware. Having more

> > than two is even better, but don't run them at the same time.

> >

> >

> >

> > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > >

> > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:44:11 -0700, LewB

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Finally a computer wise person said

> > > > > McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost so I went for

> > > > > it.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Ugh! There are several better anti-virus programs available for free:

> > > > Avira, Avast, and Microsoft Security Essentials.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > I have always considered it to be in the same league as Norton, etc. I

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > LOL! Yes, it's in *exactly* the same league as Norton. As far as I

> > > > (and many others here) am concerned those are the two worst anti-virus

> > > > programs available.

> > > >

> > > > It's a big shame, as far as I'm concerned. Twenty years or so ago,

> > > > McAfee was the best such program available, Then Norton took over as

> > > > the best. But today, Norton is the worst, and McAfee is second worst.

> > > > What happened to them and why they went from the top to the bottom, I

> > > > don't know.

> > > >

> > > > --

> > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > .

> > > >

> >

> > --

> > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > .

> >



--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 

[glee]

replies inline....



"LewB" wrote in message

news:6762BA50-AB9E-418F-80E8-248930DBDA99@microsoft.com...

>I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently

>there

> since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to

> be

> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the

> McAfee and

> then run the MSE to see how the two compare?



By "Microsoft Antispyware Program", I assume you mean Windows

Defender....no? If so, no, you don't have to uninstall it or disable it

to install MSE. MSE installs some updated versions of Defender files,

and disables the Defender interface automatically, so you don't have to

do anything with it.



I do NOT recommend installing MSE or any other AV with McAfee still

installed. Even if it is disabled, it can still cause issues. You

should not install any AV while another AV is installed. Although you

can disable McAfee's resident scanner, its drivers and services are

still loaded, and they can interfere with another AV's drivers and

services.





> I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen

> and

> for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?



Hey, that's me! I assume (again) you are referring to my suggestion to

run an AV scan from outside the operating system, using a bootable CD.

If you consider ensuring the system is clean to be overkill, then I

guess the process is overkill. You've already stated that you've gotten

more than one report from Avast and from technicians that you had

malware on-board. You've run some programs from within Windows, and

each is finding something after the other has "cleaned" the system. The

ONLY way to ensure you do not have a root kit or other hidden malware is

to run a scan from OUTSIDE the OS. I can't make it any clearer than

that. "For home use" is exactly what it is for....it is home users that

pick up root kits more than any other user type. Most corporate /

business systems have group policy restrictions that prevent users from

installing things and /or they the users work in limited user profiles

without admin privileges. Home users by and large run in an admin

account and get the drive-by malware that brings in root kits.





> Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up

> with

> two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

> downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three

> items

> from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and

> AdWare?

> I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy

> this

> comment to the others. Thanks.



MBAM is usually all you need...you can run SAS if you like. I do

suggest spending the one-time fee of ~$30 to get the full version of

MBAM that includes auto-updating and resident protection...but that's up

to you.

SpywareBlaster sets kill-bits in the Registry to block known malware,

and it's updates add to its list. It does not "run" in the

background...it just adds items to the registry and quits. You must

update it regularly and then manually enable protection against the

newly added items after each update. It also has an autoupdate option

that I believe costs $10. For XP it is a good addition to your arsenal.

By AdWare, do you mean the Ad-Aware program from Lavasoft? It used to

be a frontrunner but nowadays it does not detect enough newer malware to

be worthwhile IMHO. MBAM and SAS are far better, and I don't think

there is an advantage to adding Ad-Aware.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/



>

>

> "glee" wrote:

>

>> The proof is in the pudding, as they say. There are many testing

>> organizations that test AV apps in various ways and get variable

>> results, but MSE is usually at or near the top. More importantly is

>> how

>> they act in the real world, under fire, so to speak. Those such as

>> Robear who have worked in malware removal forums and security forums

>> dealing with viruses, trojans and assorted malware, form opinions

>> based

>> on experience with the failures and successes of the various AV

>> programs. I consider those opinions to hold a bit more weight than

>> "some guy" on the Internet posting a review based on his one

>> computer.

>>

>> Similarly, I place more weight on the opinion of experienced auto

>> mechanics than I do on a review in Consumer Reports, as to what used

>> car

>> is more reliable.

>> --

>> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

>> A+

>> http://dts-l.net/

>>

>>

>> "LewB" wrote in message

>> news:81D8EB8E-F64C-4BC4-9101-7EA9C327B9B5@microsoft.com...

>> > Oh no. I have already installed SP3. The clone procedure

>> > transferred

>> > the

>> > entire system, XP Pro, and all my apps and files to the new HD and,

>> > after

>> > disabling McAfee, SP3 installed flawlessly.

>> > And in regard to my last post about lack of consensus about AV

>> > programs

>> > this link raises the same questions about Microsoft's Security

>> > Essentials and

>> > other programs. Especially if you scroll down and read the

>> > responses

>> > to the

>> > article. Of course we do not know the backgound(s) of the

>> > responder(s)

>> > although one lists himself/herself as a software program developer.

>> > Lew

>> >

>> > http://www.pcworld.com/article/172958/independent_tester_security_essentials_very_good.html

>> > --

>> > LJB

>> >

>> >

>> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

>> >

>> >> In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that

>> >> computer

>> >> unless you reinstall WinXP first.

>> >>

>> >> And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer

>> >> will

>> >> not be

>> >> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates

>> >> will

>> >> not

>> >> work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is

>> >> installed.

>> >>

>> >> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

>> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>> >>

>> >> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP

>> >> SP3

>> >> was

>> >> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will

>> >> cost

>> >> you

>> >> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> LewB wrote:

>> >> > Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it

>> >> > together

>> >> > retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from

>> >> > Cox

>> >> > myself

>> >> > after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus"

>> >> > I

>> >> > could

>> >> > not

>> >> > remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of

>> >> > Malwarebyte,

>> >> > HiJack

>> >> > It,

>> >> > etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was

>> >> > touted by

>> >> > people who are conversant with the subject including one IT

>> >> > person.

>> >> > Data

>> >> > Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard

>> >> > drive was

>> >> > failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove

>> >> > the

>> >> > "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something

>> >> > with

>> >> > the

>> >> > registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All

>> >> > for

>> >> > only

>> >> > $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in

>> >> > the

>> >> > tower

>> >> > and

>> >> > after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a

>> >> > clone to

>> >> > the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked

>> >> > beautifully. And

>> >> > then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the

>> >> > programs

>> >> > starting

>> >> > on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a

>> >> > better job

>> >> > but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of

>> >> > viruses,

>> >> > McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening

>> >> > and

>> >> > reading

>> >> > multiple accounts that

>> >> > there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these

>> >> > virus

>> >> > programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

>> >> > Lew

>> >> >

>> >> >> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you

>> >> >> bought it

>> >> >> and

>> >> >> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after

>> >> >> they

>> >> >> sold it

>> >> >> to

>> >> >> you* ??

>> >> >>

>> >> >> LewB wrote:

>> >> >>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit

>> >> >>> which

>> >> >>> is not

>> >> >>> to

>> >> >>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer

>> >> >>> Spyweeper

>> >> >>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

>> >> >>> Lew

>> >> >>>

>> >> >>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

>> >> >>>>

>> >> >>>> LewB wrote:

>> >> >>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or

>> >> >>>>> otherwise.

>> >> >>>>> The

>> >> >>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they

>> >> >>>>> like

>> >> >>>>> Spyseeper

>> >> >>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

>> >> >>>> .

>> >> >>

>> >> >> .

>> >>

>> >> .

>> >>

>>

>> .

>>

 

[LewB]

Not sure what more info I can provide about this program but it is listed as

Microsoft Antispyware in Programs Files and has 3 folders, "deactivated

Items", Quarantine, and TempUpdates plus 13 additional files. Total size is

17 MB and has a date of 5/5/2006.

Lew

--

LJB





"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:



> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:44:01 -0700, LewB

> wrote:

>

> > I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

> > since 2006.

>

>

> There is no program with that name. Please clarify exactly what you

> mean. Do you mean Defender?

>

>

>

> > Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

> > removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee and

> > then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

>

>

> MSE is much better than McAfee.

>

>

>

> > I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

> > for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

> > Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

> > two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

> > downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

> > from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and AdWare?

>

>

>

> They are OK, but not a good as Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware. I

> would run them *instead* of Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware, but I

> don't object to also running them.

>

>

> > I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

> > comment to the others. Thanks.

> > Lew

> >

> >

> > --

> > LJB

> >

> >

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:17:01 -0700, LewB

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

> > > > computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

> > > > antivirus from Webroot. I had their basic program spyware program for a

> > > > number of years before their antivirus program became available. There

> > > > should be some consensus of opinion from those of you that follow these

> > > > matters closely as to the best two or three or four one should consider.

> > > > Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > > Here are my recommendations:

> > >

> > > Get one of the following anti-virus programs

> > >

> > > The best--NOD32

> > >

> > > Free and almost as good--Avira, Avast, or Microsoft Security

> > > Essentials (as I said in my last message).

> > >

> > > Also get at least the following two anti-spyware programs (both

> > > freeware)--MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and SuperAntiSpyware. Having more

> > > than two is even better, but don't run them at the same time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:44:11 -0700, LewB

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Finally a computer wise person said

> > > > > > McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost so I went for

> > > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ugh! There are several better anti-virus programs available for free:

> > > > > Avira, Avast, and Microsoft Security Essentials.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I have always considered it to be in the same league as Norton, etc. I

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL! Yes, it's in *exactly* the same league as Norton. As far as I

> > > > > (and many others here) am concerned those are the two worst anti-virus

> > > > > programs available.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a big shame, as far as I'm concerned. Twenty years or so ago,

> > > > > McAfee was the best such program available, Then Norton took over as

> > > > > the best. But today, Norton is the worst, and McAfee is second worst.

> > > > > What happened to them and why they went from the top to the bottom, I

> > > > > don't know.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > .

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> .

>

 

[LewB]

In the Tutorial for Avira Rescue CD forum you listed on an earlier post, a

step by step process is included and at #9, the last one, you have to Boot on

Windows normally and then run a full system scan with AntiVir to quarantine

all the renamed files. I presume from this that after the normal Windows

boot you can use whatever AV program is on the computer for the scan if one

does not have the Avira AntiVir but is using another one, i.e. MSE, Avast,

etc.?

Lew

--

LJB





"glee" wrote:



> replies inline....

>

> "LewB" wrote in message

> news:6762BA50-AB9E-418F-80E8-248930DBDA99@microsoft.com...

> >I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently

> >there

> > since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to

> > be

> > removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the

> > McAfee and

> > then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

>

> By "Microsoft Antispyware Program", I assume you mean Windows

> Defender....no? If so, no, you don't have to uninstall it or disable it

> to install MSE. MSE installs some updated versions of Defender files,

> and disables the Defender interface automatically, so you don't have to

> do anything with it.

>

> I do NOT recommend installing MSE or any other AV with McAfee still

> installed. Even if it is disabled, it can still cause issues. You

> should not install any AV while another AV is installed. Although you

> can disable McAfee's resident scanner, its drivers and services are

> still loaded, and they can interfere with another AV's drivers and

> services.

>

>

> > I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen

> > and

> > for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

>

> Hey, that's me! I assume (again) you are referring to my suggestion to

> run an AV scan from outside the operating system, using a bootable CD.

> If you consider ensuring the system is clean to be overkill, then I

> guess the process is overkill. You've already stated that you've gotten

> more than one report from Avast and from technicians that you had

> malware on-board. You've run some programs from within Windows, and

> each is finding something after the other has "cleaned" the system. The

> ONLY way to ensure you do not have a root kit or other hidden malware is

> to run a scan from OUTSIDE the OS. I can't make it any clearer than

> that. "For home use" is exactly what it is for....it is home users that

> pick up root kits more than any other user type. Most corporate /

> business systems have group policy restrictions that prevent users from

> installing things and /or they the users work in limited user profiles

> without admin privileges. Home users by and large run in an admin

> account and get the drive-by malware that brings in root kits.

>

>

> > Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up

> > with

> > two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

> > downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three

> > items

> > from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and

> > AdWare?

> > I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy

> > this

> > comment to the others. Thanks.

>

> MBAM is usually all you need...you can run SAS if you like. I do

> suggest spending the one-time fee of ~$30 to get the full version of

> MBAM that includes auto-updating and resident protection...but that's up

> to you.

> SpywareBlaster sets kill-bits in the Registry to block known malware,

> and it's updates add to its list. It does not "run" in the

> background...it just adds items to the registry and quits. You must

> update it regularly and then manually enable protection against the

> newly added items after each update. It also has an autoupdate option

> that I believe costs $10. For XP it is a good addition to your arsenal.

> By AdWare, do you mean the Ad-Aware program from Lavasoft? It used to

> be a frontrunner but nowadays it does not detect enough newer malware to

> be worthwhile IMHO. MBAM and SAS are far better, and I don't think

> there is an advantage to adding Ad-Aware.

> --

> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

> A+

> http://dts-l.net/

>

> >

> >

> > "glee" wrote:

> >

> >> The proof is in the pudding, as they say. There are many testing

> >> organizations that test AV apps in various ways and get variable

> >> results, but MSE is usually at or near the top. More importantly is

> >> how

> >> they act in the real world, under fire, so to speak. Those such as

> >> Robear who have worked in malware removal forums and security forums

> >> dealing with viruses, trojans and assorted malware, form opinions

> >> based

> >> on experience with the failures and successes of the various AV

> >> programs. I consider those opinions to hold a bit more weight than

> >> "some guy" on the Internet posting a review based on his one

> >> computer.

> >>

> >> Similarly, I place more weight on the opinion of experienced auto

> >> mechanics than I do on a review in Consumer Reports, as to what used

> >> car

> >> is more reliable.

> >> --

> >> Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

> >> A+

> >> http://dts-l.net/

> >>

> >>

> >> "LewB" wrote in message

> >> news:81D8EB8E-F64C-4BC4-9101-7EA9C327B9B5@microsoft.com...

> >> > Oh no. I have already installed SP3. The clone procedure

> >> > transferred

> >> > the

> >> > entire system, XP Pro, and all my apps and files to the new HD and,

> >> > after

> >> > disabling McAfee, SP3 installed flawlessly.

> >> > And in regard to my last post about lack of consensus about AV

> >> > programs

> >> > this link raises the same questions about Microsoft's Security

> >> > Essentials and

> >> > other programs. Especially if you scroll down and read the

> >> > responses

> >> > to the

> >> > article. Of course we do not know the backgound(s) of the

> >> > responder(s)

> >> > although one lists himself/herself as a software program developer.

> >> > Lew

> >> >

> >> > http://www.pcworld.com/article/172958/independent_tester_security_essentials_very_good.html

> >> > --

> >> > LJB

> >> >

> >> >

> >> > "PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

> >> >

> >> >> In any event, I don't think you're gonna get SP3 installed on that

> >> >> computer

> >> >> unless you reinstall WinXP first.

> >> >>

> >> >> And if WinXP SP3 isn't installed by 13 July 2010, your computer

> >> >> will

> >> >> not be

> >> >> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates

> >> >> will

> >> >> not

> >> >> work, and you will not be able to update manually until SP3 is

> >> >> installed.

> >> >>

> >> >> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> >> >> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

> >> >>

> >> >> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP

> >> >> SP3

> >> >> was

> >> >> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will

> >> >> cost

> >> >> you

> >> >> US$59 or higher per incident now.

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >> LewB wrote:

> >> >> > Data Doctors did not build my computer. The person who put it

> >> >> > together

> >> >> > retired a few years ago. I downloaded and installed McAfee from

> >> >> > Cox

> >> >> > myself

> >> >> > after my "problems" with Avast continually recording one "virus"

> >> >> > I

> >> >> > could

> >> >> > not

> >> >> > remove from their "chest" including multiple runs of

> >> >> > Malwarebyte,

> >> >> > HiJack

> >> >> > It,

> >> >> > etc. McAfee's gratis availability and assumed "potency" was

> >> >> > touted by

> >> >> > people who are conversant with the subject including one IT

> >> >> > person.

> >> >> > Data

> >> >> > Doctors only did the recent diagnostic test and told me my hard

> >> >> > drive was

> >> >> > failing...and wanted to replace it after making a clone, remove

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > "virus/malware" they claim was on the system and do something

> >> >> > with

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > registry to prevent a lot of programs loading on startup. All

> >> >> > for

> >> >> > only

> >> >> > $400. (sic) So I bought a new HD at Frys and installed it in

> >> >> > the

> >> >> > tower

> >> >> > and

> >> >> > after running a chkdsk and repairing the "ill" drive, then did a

> >> >> > clone to

> >> >> > the new one with a trial version of Acronis. It worked

> >> >> > beautifully. And

> >> >> > then made some changes in msconfig/startup to address the

> >> >> > programs

> >> >> > starting

> >> >> > on boot. I guess you can go into the registry itself to do a

> >> >> > better job

> >> >> > but I haven't got that far yet. And that is how the issue of

> >> >> > viruses,

> >> >> > McAfee,etc developed. It is apparent to me after listening

> >> >> > and

> >> >> > reading

> >> >> > multiple accounts that

> >> >> > there still is controversy and no consensus opinion about these

> >> >> > virus

> >> >> > programs, although the two of you have been quite consistent.

> >> >> > Lew

> >> >> >

> >> >> >> Was a McAfee free trial preinstalled on the computer when you

> >> >> >> bought it

> >> >> >> and

> >> >> >> did Data Doctors remove it & install the Webroot app *after

> >> >> >> they

> >> >> >> sold it

> >> >> >> to

> >> >> >> you* ??

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> LewB wrote:

> >> >> >>> Not Best Buy...Data Doctors a locally run computer outfit

> >> >> >>> which

> >> >> >>> is not

> >> >> >>> to

> >> >> >>> say that they are any different than Best Buy. They prefer

> >> >> >>> Spyweeper

> >> >> >>> because they claim McAfee takes up too much RAM.

> >> >> >>> Lew

> >> >> >>>

> >> >> >>>> This was Geek Squad at Best Buy, right?

> >> >> >>>>

> >> >> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >> >> >>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or

> >> >> >>>>> otherwise.

> >> >> >>>>> The

> >> >> >>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they

> >> >> >>>>> like

> >> >> >>>>> Spyseeper

> >> >> >>>>> antivirus from Webroot...

> >> >> >>>> .

> >> >> >>

> >> >> >> .

> >> >>

> >> >> .

> >> >>

> >>

> >> .

> >>

>

> .

>

 

[glee]

Yes.



"LewB" wrote in message

news:6D750CB8-2989-4D5F-A90A-DD290315EA0E@microsoft.com...

> In the Tutorial for Avira Rescue CD forum you listed on an earlier

> post, a

> step by step process is included and at #9, the last one, you have to

> Boot on

> Windows normally and then run a full system scan with AntiVir to

> quarantine

> all the renamed files. I presume from this that after the normal

> Windows

> boot you can use whatever AV program is on the computer for the scan

> if one

> does not have the Avira AntiVir but is using another one, i.e. MSE,

> Avast,

> etc.?

> Lew



--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/

 

[LewB]

In Program Files this is listed as Microsoft Antispyware and has 3 folders

Deactivated Items, Quarantined, and TempUpdates and 13 files and 17MB total

size. Modified on %-% 2006. Perhaps as someone suggested this could be

Windows Defender? There is a separate listing for Defender that has a 2007

date but the file makeup is much different and has only 4.5MB. I tried to

copy this for your review but it won't take here...and I can't copy it as

text to Word to send it along either.

Lew

--

LJB





"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:



> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:44:01 -0700, LewB

> wrote:

>

> > I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

> > since 2006.

>

>

> There is no program with that name. Please clarify exactly what you

> mean. Do you mean Defender?

>

>

>

> > Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

> > removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee and

> > then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

>

>

> MSE is much better than McAfee.

>

>

>

> > I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen and

> > for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

> > Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up with

> > two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

> > downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three items

> > from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and AdWare?

>

>

>

> They are OK, but not a good as Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware. I

> would run them *instead* of Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware, but I

> don't object to also running them.

>

>

> > I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy this

> > comment to the others. Thanks.

> > Lew

> >

> >

> > --

> > LJB

> >

> >

> > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> >

> > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:17:01 -0700, LewB

> > > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise. The

> > > > computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like Spyseeper

> > > > antivirus from Webroot. I had their basic program spyware program for a

> > > > number of years before their antivirus program became available. There

> > > > should be some consensus of opinion from those of you that follow these

> > > > matters closely as to the best two or three or four one should consider.

> > > > Thanks.

> > >

> > >

> > > Here are my recommendations:

> > >

> > > Get one of the following anti-virus programs

> > >

> > > The best--NOD32

> > >

> > > Free and almost as good--Avira, Avast, or Microsoft Security

> > > Essentials (as I said in my last message).

> > >

> > > Also get at least the following two anti-spyware programs (both

> > > freeware)--MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and SuperAntiSpyware. Having more

> > > than two is even better, but don't run them at the same time.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:44:11 -0700, LewB

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Finally a computer wise person said

> > > > > > McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost so I went for

> > > > > > it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Ugh! There are several better anti-virus programs available for free:

> > > > > Avira, Avast, and Microsoft Security Essentials.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > I have always considered it to be in the same league as Norton, etc. I

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > LOL! Yes, it's in *exactly* the same league as Norton. As far as I

> > > > > (and many others here) am concerned those are the two worst anti-virus

> > > > > programs available.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a big shame, as far as I'm concerned. Twenty years or so ago,

> > > > > McAfee was the best such program available, Then Norton took over as

> > > > > the best. But today, Norton is the worst, and McAfee is second worst.

> > > > > What happened to them and why they went from the top to the bottom, I

> > > > > don't know.

> > > > >

> > > > > --

> > > > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > > > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > > > .

> > > > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> > > Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> > > .

> > >

>

> --

> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Could be a rogue!



Sunbelt Blog: Fake Microsoft Antispyware Center:

http://sunbeltblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/fake-microsoft-antispyware-center.html



McAfee Labs Blog: AntiSpyStorm: Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Center pushing

Adware

http://www.avertlabs.com/research/b...-microsoft-antispyware-center-pushing-adware/



Fake Microsoft AntiSpyware Site Aims For Credit Card Numbers

http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=202401707





LewB wrote:

> In Program Files this is listed as Microsoft Antispyware and has 3 folders

> Deactivated Items, Quarantined, and TempUpdates and 13 files and 17MB

> total

> size. Modified on %-% 2006. Perhaps as someone suggested this could be

> Windows Defender? There is a separate listing for Defender that has a

> 2007

> date but the file makeup is much different and has only 4.5MB. I tried to

> copy this for your review but it won't take here...and I can't copy it as

> text to Word to send it along either.

> Lew

>

>> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 09:44:01 -0700, LewB

>> wrote:

>>

>>> I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently there

>>> since 2006.

>>

>>

>> There is no program with that name. Please clarify exactly what you

>> mean. Do you mean Defender?

>>

>>

>>

>>> Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to be

>>> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the McAfee

>>> and then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

>>

>>

>> MSE is much better than McAfee.

>>

>>

>>

>>> I haven't tackled the somewhat involved process recommended by Glen

>>> and

>>> for home use question if this is a bit of "overkill"?

>>> Also I downloaded, installed and ran Malwarebytes and it came up

>>> with

>>> two items after hours of full scanning and these were removed. I also

>>> downloaded and installed and ran SuperAntiSpyware and it found three

>>> items

>>> from AdWare. What do you folks think about the Spyblaster program and

>>> AdWare?

>>

>>

>>

>> They are OK, but not a good as Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware. I

>> would run them *instead* of Malwarebytes and SuperAntiSpyware, but I

>> don't object to also running them.

>>

>>

>>> I don't know if this thread is being followed by all so will copy

>>> this

>>> comment to the others. Thanks.

>>> Lew

>>>

>>>

>>> --

>>> LJB

>>>

>>>

>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>

>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 18:17:01 -0700, LewB

>>>> wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Ok I then would appreciate your best suggestion, free or otherwise.

>>>>> The

>>>>> computer store that did some diagnostics for me said they like

>>>>> Spyseeper

>>>>> antivirus from Webroot. I had their basic program spyware program for

>>>>> a

>>>>> number of years before their antivirus program became available.

>>>>> There

>>>>> should be some consensus of opinion from those of you that follow

>>>>> these

>>>>> matters closely as to the best two or three or four one should

>>>>> consider.

>>>>> Thanks.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Here are my recommendations:

>>>>

>>>> Get one of the following anti-virus programs

>>>>

>>>> The best--NOD32

>>>>

>>>> Free and almost as good--Avira, Avast, or Microsoft Security

>>>> Essentials (as I said in my last message).

>>>>

>>>> Also get at least the following two anti-spyware programs (both

>>>> freeware)--MalwareBytes Anti-Malware and SuperAntiSpyware. Having more

>>>> than two is even better, but don't run them at the same time.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:44:11 -0700, LewB

>>>>>> wrote:

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Finally a computer wise person said

>>>>>>> McAfee was available through my cable system (Cox) at no cost so I

>>>>>>> went for it.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ugh! There are several better anti-virus programs available for free:

>>>>>> Avira, Avast, and Microsoft Security Essentials.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have always considered it to be in the same league as Norton, etc.

>>>>>>> I

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LOL! Yes, it's in *exactly* the same league as Norton. As far as I

>>>>>> (and many others here) am concerned those are the two worst

>>>>>> anti-virus

>>>>>> programs available.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> It's a big shame, as far as I'm concerned. Twenty years or so ago,

>>>>>> McAfee was the best such program available, Then Norton took over as

>>>>>> the best. But today, Norton is the worst, and McAfee is second worst.

>>>>>> What happened to them and why they went from the top to the bottom, I

>>>>>> don't know.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

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