Unable to boot from WinXP Pro Setup Disc

[LewB]

Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was removed

in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous suggestions

were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware. Do

these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and Destroy but

not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

LJB

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been

> installed on the computer 'way back when.

>

> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes Defender

> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be

> disabled). See this discussion:

> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Robear,

> > I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in the

> > previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the Microsoft

> > Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a

> > number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a

> > clean

> > install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again and

> > it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:

> > microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

> > and

> > Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

> >

> > This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

> > Microsoft

> > and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with

> > this

> > interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the

> > unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

> > As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is no

> > uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been bundled

> > up

> > in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

> > Defender

> > and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess

> > that is routine??

> > LJB

> >

> >> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to

> >> (one

> >> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you

> >> will have the complete history available to them.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

> >>> site

> >>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit

> >>> to

> >>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

> >>> site

> >>> administrator.

> >>>

> >>>> What Lem said.

> >>>>

> >>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

> >>>> about this computer & your problems.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

> >>>>> ago.

> >>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> >>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> >>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on

> >>>>> C

> >>>>> and

> >>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> >>>>> running.

> >>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is

> >>>>> the

> >>>>> way

> >>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

> >>>>> process.

> >>>>> LB

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

> >>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> ===============================

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> >>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method

> >>>>>> 1

> >>>>>> in

> >>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

> >>>>>> computer"

> >>>>>> so

> >>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

> >>>>>> connecting

> >>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

> >>>>>> computers)

> >>>>>> and

> >>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

> >>>>>> been

> >>>>>> freshly formatted:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

> >>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Other helpful references include:

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

> >>>>>> patched

> >>>>>> (after a clean install)

> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

> >>>>>> (after

> >>>>>> a

> >>>>>> clean install)

> >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

> >>>>>> KB971029

> >>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

> >>>>>> computer

> >>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

> >>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

> >>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

> >>>>>> Service

> >>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

> >>>>>> application

> >>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> --

> >>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>>>>> Setup

> >>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.

> >>>>>>> It

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

> >>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

> >>>>>>> CD"

> >>>>>>> but

> >>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

> >>>>>>> listed

> >>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

> >>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> >>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> >>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> >>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

> >>>>>>> drives.

> >>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

> >>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> >>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

> >>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>> critical.

> >>>>>>> LJB

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> .

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your

computer.



That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming

you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for

SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.





LewB wrote:

> Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was

> removed

> in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous

> suggestions

> were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.

> Do

> these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and Destroy

> but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

>

>> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been

>> installed on the computer 'way back when.

>>

>> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes

>> Defender

>> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be

>> disabled). See this discussion:

>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Robear,

>>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in

>>> the

>>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the

>>> Microsoft

>>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a

>>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a

>>> clean

>>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again

>>> and

>>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:

>>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

>>> and

>>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

>>>

>>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

>>> Microsoft

>>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with

>>> this

>>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the

>>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

>>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is

>>> no

>>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been

>>> bundled

>>> up

>>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

>>> Defender

>>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess

>>> that is routine??

>>> LJB

>>>

>>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to

>>>> (one

>>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist

>>>> you

>>>> will have the complete history available to them.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

>>>>> site

>>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a

>>>>> limit

>>>>> to

>>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

>>>>> site

>>>>> administrator.

>>>>>

>>>>>> What Lem said.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new

>>>>>> threads

>>>>>> about this computer & your problems.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several

>>>>>>> weeks

>>>>>>> ago.

>>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

>>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

>>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click

>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

>>>>>>> running.

>>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> way

>>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

>>>>>>> process.

>>>>>>> LB

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If

>>>>>>>> you've

>>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ===============================

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

>>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or

>>>>>>>> Method

>>>>>>>> 1

>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

>>>>>>>> computer"

>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

>>>>>>>> connecting

>>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

>>>>>>>> computers)

>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>> freshly formatted:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Other helpful references include:

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

>>>>>>>> patched

>>>>>>>> (after a clean install)

>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

>>>>>>>> (after

>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>> clean install)

>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

>>>>>>>> KB971029

>>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

>>>>>>>> computer

>>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows

>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

>>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

>>>>>>>> Service

>>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

>>>>>>>> application

>>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>>>>>>>>> Setup

>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD

>>>>>>>>> drive.

>>>>>>>>> It

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

>>>>>>>>> CD"

>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

>>>>>>>>> listed

>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

>>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

>>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

>>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

>>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

>>>>>>>>> drives.

>>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft

>>>>>>>>> Security

>>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> critical.

>>>>>>>>> LJB

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>> .

 

[Daave]

YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there would

be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. See:



http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515



I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some people

report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the capability

of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the flexibility of

going back in time several images (a la System Restore), so this is why

I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you know) can do clones, too, but not

incremental ones.



If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they need

to be created!)





LewB wrote:

> Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you

> have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware)

> for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question

> that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of

> 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to

> inquire about backups and what is considered better, best, safest,

> etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and have used

> it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are no bad

> characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft Security

> Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I

> like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking

> reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB

> "Daave" wrote:

>

>> Cool! Good job!

>>

>> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

>> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

>> responders this way.

>>

>> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

>> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a

>> new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different

>> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call),

>> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others can

>> refer to it (to see the bigger picture).

>>

>> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

>>

>> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

>>

>> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you

>> do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster

>> the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and

>> all your programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image

>> of your hard drive takes care of all that instantly!

>>

>> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

>> programs are fine, too.

>>

>> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you

>> use it just to back up data).

>>

>> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

>> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

>> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows

>> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into

>> another form.

>>

>> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

>> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

>> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

>> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play

>> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard

>>> today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and

>>> then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that

>>> the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised.

>>> In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same

>>> thread

>>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

>>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

>>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary

>>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes

>>> with WinXP?

>>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

>>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

>>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find

>>> it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he

>>> wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them

>>> back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in

>>> WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of

>>> apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever

>>> nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the

>>> format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great

>>> help. LJB

>>>

>>>

>>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

>>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

>>>> issue.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

>>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

>>>>>

>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

>>>>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia

>>>>> Keyboard

>>>>> 1.0A

>>>>>

>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to

>>>>> be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

>>>>>

>>>>>> Daave wrote:

>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

>>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

>>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS.

>>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the system

>>>>>>>> does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but when

>>>>>>>> this is done Windows boots normally.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that

>>>>>>> may need to be changed?

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

>>>>>>> drive is bad.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Also...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>>

>> .

 

[LewB]

The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the

others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except

Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more may

be better than less.

As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control

Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no

problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had overlooked

this link:



http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe



so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't believe

the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I don't

know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE?















--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your

> computer.

>

> That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming

> you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for

> SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was

> > removed

> > in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous

> > suggestions

> > were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.

> > Do

> > these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and Destroy

> > but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

> >

> >> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been

> >> installed on the computer 'way back when.

> >>

> >> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes

> >> Defender

> >> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be

> >> disabled). See this discussion:

> >> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Robear,

> >>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in

> >>> the

> >>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the

> >>> Microsoft

> >>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a

> >>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a

> >>> clean

> >>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again

> >>> and

> >>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:

> >>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

> >>> and

> >>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

> >>>

> >>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

> >>> Microsoft

> >>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with

> >>> this

> >>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the

> >>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

> >>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is

> >>> no

> >>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been

> >>> bundled

> >>> up

> >>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

> >>> Defender

> >>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess

> >>> that is routine??

> >>> LJB

> >>>

> >>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to

> >>>> (one

> >>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist

> >>>> you

> >>>> will have the complete history available to them.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

> >>>>> site

> >>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a

> >>>>> limit

> >>>>> to

> >>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

> >>>>> site

> >>>>> administrator.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> What Lem said.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new

> >>>>>> threads

> >>>>>> about this computer & your problems.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several

> >>>>>>> weeks

> >>>>>>> ago.

> >>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> >>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> >>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click

> >>>>>>> on

> >>>>>>> C

> >>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> >>>>>>> running.

> >>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> way

> >>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

> >>>>>>> process.

> >>>>>>> LB

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If

> >>>>>>>> you've

> >>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ===============================

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> >>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or

> >>>>>>>> Method

> >>>>>>>> 1

> >>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

> >>>>>>>> computer"

> >>>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

> >>>>>>>> connecting

> >>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

> >>>>>>>> computers)

> >>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

> >>>>>>>> been

> >>>>>>>> freshly formatted:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

> >>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Other helpful references include:

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

> >>>>>>>> patched

> >>>>>>>> (after a clean install)

> >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

> >>>>>>>> (after

> >>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>> clean install)

> >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

> >>>>>>>> KB971029

> >>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

> >>>>>>>> computer

> >>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows

> >>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

> >>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

> >>>>>>>> Service

> >>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

> >>>>>>>> application

> >>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>>>>>>> Setup

> >>>>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD

> >>>>>>>>> drive.

> >>>>>>>>> It

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

> >>>>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

> >>>>>>>>> CD"

> >>>>>>>>> but

> >>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

> >>>>>>>>> listed

> >>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

> >>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> >>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> >>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> >>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

> >>>>>>>>> drives.

> >>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

> >>>>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft

> >>>>>>>>> Security

> >>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

> >>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> critical.

> >>>>>>>>> LJB

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> .

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> .

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4



Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed

MSE.



Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that

removal tool at some point in one or more of them.



LewB wrote:

> The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the

> others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except

> Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more

> may

> be better than less.

> As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control

> Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no

> problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had

> overlooked

> this link:

>

> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>

> so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't

> believe

> the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I

> don't

> know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE?

>

>> Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your

>> computer.

>>

>> That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming

>> you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for

>> SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was

>>> removed

>>> in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous

>>> suggestions

>>> were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.

>>> Do

>>> these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and

>>> Destroy

>>> but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

>>>

>>>> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been

>>>> installed on the computer 'way back when.

>>>>

>>>> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes

>>>> Defender

>>>> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will

>>>> be

>>>> disabled). See this discussion:

>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Robear,

>>>>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in

>>>>> the

>>>>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the

>>>>> Microsoft

>>>>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a

>>>>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a

>>>>> clean

>>>>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again

>>>>> and

>>>>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two

>>>>> files:

>>>>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

>>>>> and

>>>>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

>>>>>

>>>>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

>>>>> Microsoft

>>>>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree

>>>>> with

>>>>> this

>>>>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in

>>>>> the

>>>>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

>>>>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is

>>>>> no

>>>>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been

>>>>> bundled

>>>>> up

>>>>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

>>>>> Defender

>>>>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I

>>>>> guess

>>>>> that is routine??

>>>>> LJB

>>>>>

>>>>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies

>>>>>> to

>>>>>> (one

>>>>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist

>>>>>> you

>>>>>> will have the complete history available to them.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>> site

>>>>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a

>>>>>>> limit

>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> site

>>>>>>> administrator.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What Lem said.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new

>>>>>>>> threads

>>>>>>>> about this computer & your problems.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several

>>>>>>>>> weeks

>>>>>>>>> ago.

>>>>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup

>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I

>>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click

>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

>>>>>>>>> running.

>>>>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this

>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> way

>>>>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

>>>>>>>>> process.

>>>>>>>>> LB

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If

>>>>>>>>>> you've

>>>>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not

>>>>>>>>>> installed.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ===============================

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

>>>>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or

>>>>>>>>>> Method

>>>>>>>>>> 1

>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

>>>>>>>>>> computer"

>>>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

>>>>>>>>>> connecting

>>>>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

>>>>>>>>>> computers)

>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or

>>>>>>>>>> hasn't

>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>> freshly formatted:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go

>>>>>>>>>> online

>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Other helpful references include:

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

>>>>>>>>>> patched

>>>>>>>>>> (after a clean install)

>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

>>>>>>>>>> (after

>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>> clean install)

>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

>>>>>>>>>> KB971029

>>>>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

>>>>>>>>>> computer

>>>>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows

>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run

>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

>>>>>>>>>> Service

>>>>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

>>>>>>>>>> application

>>>>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>>>>>>>>>>> Setup

>>>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD

>>>>>>>>>>> drive.

>>>>>>>>>>> It

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> CD"

>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

>>>>>>>>>>> listed

>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

>>>>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

>>>>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two

>>>>>>>>>>> optical

>>>>>>>>>>> drives.

>>>>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result.

>>>>>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft

>>>>>>>>>>> Security

>>>>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or

>>>>>>>>>>> if

>>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> critical.

>>>>>>>>>>> LJB

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>> .

 

[LewB]

"I suspect I mentioned that removal tool at some point"



You did. It was in a list along with a number of other links that I simply

overlooked and screwed up in my haste to get to MSE assuming Add/Remove would

take care of everything. So what good is Add/Remove? Some of the apps come

with an uninstall file, many do not and Add/Remove is the only option. The

link you sent

(http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4)

has many sections but none discuss what I just did and how, if at all, MSE

might be effected?



--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials

> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4

>

> Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed

> MSE.

>

> Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that

> removal tool at some point in one or more of them.

>

> LewB wrote:

> > The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of the

> > others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except

> > Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more

> > may

> > be better than less.

> > As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control

> > Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no

> > problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had

> > overlooked

> > this link:

> >

> > http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >

> > so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't

> > believe

> > the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I

> > don't

> > know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of MSE?

> >

> >> Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your

> >> computer.

> >>

> >> That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming

> >> you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for

> >> SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was

> >>> removed

> >>> in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous

> >>> suggestions

> >>> were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly SuperAntispyware.

> >>> Do

> >>> these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and

> >>> Destroy

> >>> but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the others.

> >>>

> >>>> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been

> >>>> installed on the computer 'way back when.

> >>>>

> >>>> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes

> >>>> Defender

> >>>> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will

> >>>> be

> >>>> disabled). See this discussion:

> >>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> Robear,

> >>>>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in

> >>>>> the

> >>>>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the

> >>>>> Microsoft

> >>>>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a

> >>>>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a

> >>>>> clean

> >>>>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again

> >>>>> and

> >>>>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two

> >>>>> files:

> >>>>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

> >>>>> and

> >>>>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

> >>>>>

> >>>>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

> >>>>> Microsoft

> >>>>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree

> >>>>> with

> >>>>> this

> >>>>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in

> >>>>> the

> >>>>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

> >>>>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is

> >>>>> no

> >>>>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been

> >>>>> bundled

> >>>>> up

> >>>>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

> >>>>> Defender

> >>>>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I

> >>>>> guess

> >>>>> that is routine??

> >>>>> LJB

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies

> >>>>>> to

> >>>>>> (one

> >>>>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist

> >>>>>> you

> >>>>>> will have the complete history available to them.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what

> >>>>>>> this

> >>>>>>> site

> >>>>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a

> >>>>>>> limit

> >>>>>>> to

> >>>>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with

> >>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>> site

> >>>>>>> administrator.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> What Lem said.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new

> >>>>>>>> threads

> >>>>>>>> about this computer & your problems.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several

> >>>>>>>>> weeks

> >>>>>>>>> ago.

> >>>>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup

> >>>>>>>>> as

> >>>>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I

> >>>>>>>>> have

> >>>>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click

> >>>>>>>>> on

> >>>>>>>>> C

> >>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> >>>>>>>>> running.

> >>>>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this

> >>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>> way

> >>>>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

> >>>>>>>>> process.

> >>>>>>>>> LB

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If

> >>>>>>>>>> you've

> >>>>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not

> >>>>>>>>>> installed.

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ===============================

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> >>>>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or

> >>>>>>>>>> Method

> >>>>>>>>>> 1

> >>>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

> >>>>>>>>>> computer"

> >>>>>>>>>> so

> >>>>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

> >>>>>>>>>> connecting

> >>>>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

> >>>>>>>>>> computers)

> >>>>>>>>>> and

> >>>>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or

> >>>>>>>>>> hasn't

> >>>>>>>>>> been

> >>>>>>>>>> freshly formatted:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go

> >>>>>>>>>> online

> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Other helpful references include:

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

> >>>>>>>>>> patched

> >>>>>>>>>> (after a clean install)

> >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

> >>>>>>>>>> (after

> >>>>>>>>>> a

> >>>>>>>>>> clean install)

> >>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

> >>>>>>>>>> KB971029

> >>>>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

> >>>>>>>>>> computer

> >>>>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows

> >>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run

> >>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

> >>>>>>>>>> Service

> >>>>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

> >>>>>>>>>> application

> >>>>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> --

> >>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>>>>>>>>> Setup

> >>>>>>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD

> >>>>>>>>>>> drive.

> >>>>>>>>>>> It

> >>>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with

> >>>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from

> >>>>>>>>>>> the

> >>>>>>>>>>> CD"

> >>>>>>>>>>> but

> >>>>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

> >>>>>>>>>>> listed

> >>>>>>>>>>> in

> >>>>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

> >>>>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> >>>>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> >>>>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> >>>>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two

> >>>>>>>>>>> optical

> >>>>>>>>>>> drives.

> >>>>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result.

> >>>>>>>>>>> The

> >>>>>>>>>>> disc

> >>>>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft

> >>>>>>>>>>> Security

> >>>>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or

> >>>>>>>>>>> if

> >>>>>>>>>>> that

> >>>>>>>>>>> is

> >>>>>>>>>>> critical.

> >>>>>>>>>>> LJB

> >>>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>>> .

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> .

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> .

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[LewB]

There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for purchase.

Is there any proscription to trying several on the same computer? That is,

is there a conflict that could develop in the same way that having two AV

programs on the same computer is a no-no.

LJB

--

LJB





"Daave" wrote:



> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there would

> be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. See:

>

> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

>

> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some people

> report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the capability

> of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the flexibility of

> going back in time several images (a la System Restore), so this is why

> I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you know) can do clones, too, but not

> incremental ones.

>

> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they need

> to be created!)

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you

> > have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware)

> > for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question

> > that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of

> > 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to

> > inquire about backups and what is considered better, best, safest,

> > etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and have used

> > it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are no bad

> > characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft Security

> > Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I

> > like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking

> > reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB

> > "Daave" wrote:

> >

> >> Cool! Good job!

> >>

> >> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

> >> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

> >> responders this way.

> >>

> >> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

> >> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a

> >> new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different

> >> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call),

> >> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others can

> >> refer to it (to see the bigger picture).

> >>

> >> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

> >>

> >> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

> >>

> >> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you

> >> do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster

> >> the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and

> >> all your programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image

> >> of your hard drive takes care of all that instantly!

> >>

> >> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

> >> programs are fine, too.

> >>

> >> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you

> >> use it just to back up data).

> >>

> >> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

> >> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

> >> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows

> >> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into

> >> another form.

> >>

> >> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

> >> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

> >> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

> >> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play

> >> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard

> >>> today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and

> >>> then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that

> >>> the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised.

> >>> In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same

> >>> thread

> >>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

> >>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

> >>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary

> >>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes

> >>> with WinXP?

> >>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

> >>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

> >>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find

> >>> it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he

> >>> wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them

> >>> back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in

> >>> WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of

> >>> apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever

> >>> nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the

> >>> format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great

> >>> help. LJB

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

> >>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

> >>>> issue.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

> >>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

> >>>>>

> >>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

> >>>>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia

> >>>>> Keyboard

> >>>>> 1.0A

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to

> >>>>> be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Daave wrote:

> >>>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

> >>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

> >>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS.

> >>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the system

> >>>>>>>> does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but when

> >>>>>>>> this is done Windows boots normally.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

> >>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that

> >>>>>>> may need to be changed?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

> >>>>>>> drive is bad.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Also...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> .

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >>

> >> .

>

>

> .

>

 

[LewB]

"There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for purchase.

Is there any proscription to trying several on the same computer? That is,

is there a conflict that could develop in the same way that having two AV

programs on the same computer is a no-no. "



Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs out

there.......

LJB



--

LJB





"Daave" wrote:



> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there would

> be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc. See:

>

> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

>

> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some people

> report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the capability

> of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the flexibility of

> going back in time several images (a la System Restore), so this is why

> I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you know) can do clones, too, but not

> incremental ones.

>

> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they need

> to be created!)

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you

> > have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware)

> > for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question

> > that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of

> > 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to

> > inquire about backups and what is considered better, best, safest,

> > etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and have used

> > it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are no bad

> > characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft Security

> > Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I

> > like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking

> > reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB

> > "Daave" wrote:

> >

> >> Cool! Good job!

> >>

> >> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

> >> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

> >> responders this way.

> >>

> >> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

> >> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a

> >> new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different

> >> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call),

> >> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others can

> >> refer to it (to see the bigger picture).

> >>

> >> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

> >>

> >> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

> >>

> >> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you

> >> do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster

> >> the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and

> >> all your programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image

> >> of your hard drive takes care of all that instantly!

> >>

> >> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

> >> programs are fine, too.

> >>

> >> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you

> >> use it just to back up data).

> >>

> >> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

> >> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

> >> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows

> >> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into

> >> another form.

> >>

> >> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

> >> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

> >> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

> >> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play

> >> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard

> >>> today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and

> >>> then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that

> >>> the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised.

> >>> In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same

> >>> thread

> >>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

> >>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

> >>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary

> >>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes

> >>> with WinXP?

> >>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

> >>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

> >>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find

> >>> it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he

> >>> wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them

> >>> back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in

> >>> WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of

> >>> apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever

> >>> nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the

> >>> format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great

> >>> help. LJB

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

> >>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

> >>>> issue.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

> >>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

> >>>>>

> >>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

> >>>>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia

> >>>>> Keyboard

> >>>>> 1.0A

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to

> >>>>> be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Daave wrote:

> >>>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

> >>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

> >>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS.

> >>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the system

> >>>>>>>> does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but when

> >>>>>>>> this is done Windows boots normally.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

> >>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that

> >>>>>>> may need to be changed?

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

> >>>>>>> drive is bad.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> Also...

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> .

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >>

> >> .

>

>

> .

>

 

[Daave]

I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.

(Same with AV programs, BTW...)



LewB wrote:

> "There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for

> purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same

> computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the same

> way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a no-no. "

>

> Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs

> out there.......

> LJB

>

>

>> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there

>> would be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc.

>> See:

>>

>> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

>>

>> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some

>> people report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the

>> capability of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the

>> flexibility of going back in time several images (a la System

>> Restore), so this is why I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you

>> know) can do clones, too, but not incremental ones.

>>

>> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

>> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they

>> need to be created!)

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you

>>> have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware)

>>> for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question

>>> that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of

>>> 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now

>>> to inquire about backups and what is considered better, best,

>>> safest, etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and

>>> have used it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are

>>> no bad characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft

>>> Security Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other

>>> thread. I like the idea of an image because you avoid the

>>> painstaking reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB

>>> "Daave" wrote:

>>>

>>>> Cool! Good job!

>>>>

>>>> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

>>>> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

>>>> responders this way.

>>>>

>>>> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

>>>> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting

>>>> a new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different

>>>> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call),

>>>> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others

>>>> can refer to it (to see the bigger picture).

>>>>

>>>> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

>>>>

>>>> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all*

>>>> you do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a

>>>> disaster the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the

>>>> updates and all your programs, but who wants to do that when

>>>> restoring an image of your hard drive takes care of all that

>>>> instantly!

>>>>

>>>> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

>>>> programs are fine, too.

>>>>

>>>> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless

>>>> you use it just to back up data).

>>>>

>>>> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

>>>> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

>>>> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows

>>>> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into

>>>> another form.

>>>>

>>>> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

>>>> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

>>>> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

>>>> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play

>>>> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new

>>>>> keyboard today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able

>>>>> to format and then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I

>>>>> am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as

>>>>> advertised. In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the

>>>>> posts to the same thread

>>>>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

>>>>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

>>>>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary

>>>>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that

>>>>> comes with WinXP?

>>>>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

>>>>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

>>>>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and

>>>>> find it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies

>>>>> what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt

>>>>> copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that

>>>>> what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of

>>>>> reinstallation of apps that an image program avoids but also

>>>>> carries over whatever nondesirable objects that you hopefully are

>>>>> getting rid of with the format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway

>>>>> many thanks for you great help. LJB

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

>>>>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

>>>>>> issue.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

>>>>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>> perhaps? Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless

>>>>>>> Multimedia

>>>>>>> Keyboard

>>>>>>> 1.0A

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need

>>>>>>> to be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Daave wrote:

>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

>>>>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

>>>>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS.

>>>>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the

>>>>>>>>>> system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"

>>>>>>>>>> but when this is done Windows boots normally.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that

>>>>>>>>> may need to be changed?

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the

>>>>>>>>> CD drive is bad.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Also...

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>>

>> .

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Must've been thinking of

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/407bf6da-c05d-4546-8788-0aa4c25a1f91



If you have more questions about MSE, post here:

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse





LewB wrote:

> "I suspect I mentioned that removal tool at some point"

>

> You did. It was in a list along with a number of other links that I simply

> overlooked and screwed up in my haste to get to MSE assuming Add/Remove

> would take care of everything. So what good is Add/Remove? Some of the

> apps come with an uninstall file, many do not and Add/Remove is the only

> option. The link you sent

> (http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4)

> has many sections but none discuss what I just did and how, if at all, MSE

> might be effected?

>

>

>> Check list for installing Microsoft Security Essentials

>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/bf757e6a-e320-4a67-92bc-767e6acb26c4

>>

>> Ideally, the McAfee removal tool would have been run before you installed

>> MSE.

>>

>> Now I'm not gonna search your many threads but I suspect I mentioned that

>> removal tool at some point in one or more of them.

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> The impression I have therefore is that MSE has all of the features of

>>> the

>>> others (MBAM, SAS,Spybot) and there is no need for them.....except

>>> Spywarebaster. Several of the posts on the other thread suggested more

>>> may

>>> be better than less.

>>> As you know I removed McAfee through the Add/Remove route in Control

>>> Panel. I then downloaded and installed MSE and ran a full scan and no

>>> problems were detected. On reviewing the posts I realized I had

>>> overlooked

>>> this link:

>>>

>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>>

>>> so I downloaded and installed and it ran automatically. I couldn't

>>> believe

>>> the number of additional files that were identified and removed. So I

>>> don't

>>> know if this delayed removal will have any effect on the function of

>>> MSE?

>>>

>>>> Only you can decide what security applications are necessary on your

>>>> computer.

>>>>

>>>> That being said, I'd recommend dumping SpyBot, SAS, and MBAM (assuming

>>>> you're running the free versions of these applications). Check for

>>>> SpywareBlaster updates every 10-14 days or so.

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Thanks. Defender was still on my computer along with MSE so it was

>>>>> removed

>>>>> in Add/Remove as recommended by the link you provided. Previous

>>>>> suggestions

>>>>> were to keep using Spyware Blaster, MBAM, and possibly

>>>>> SuperAntispyware.

>>>>> Do

>>>>> these recommendations continue. Finally I have Spybot-Search and

>>>>> Destroy

>>>>> but not activated. I don't know if it is necessary with all the

>>>>> others.

>>>>>

>>>>>> Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had

>>>>>> been

>>>>>> installed on the computer 'way back when.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes

>>>>>> Defender

>>>>>> "technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender

>>>>>> will

>>>>>> be

>>>>>> disabled). See this discussion:

>>>>>> http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> Robear,

>>>>>>> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the

>>>>>>> Microsoft

>>>>>>> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do

>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>> clean

>>>>>>> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder

>>>>>>> again

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two

>>>>>>> files:

>>>>>>> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

>>>>>>> Microsoft

>>>>>>> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree

>>>>>>> with

>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in

>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

>>>>>>> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> no

>>>>>>> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been

>>>>>>> bundled

>>>>>>> up

>>>>>>> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

>>>>>>> Defender

>>>>>>> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I

>>>>>>> guess

>>>>>>> that is routine??

>>>>>>> LJB

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies

>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>> (one

>>>>>>>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to

>>>>>>>> assist

>>>>>>>> you

>>>>>>>> will have the complete history available to them.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what

>>>>>>>>> this

>>>>>>>>> site

>>>>>>>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a

>>>>>>>>> limit

>>>>>>>>> to

>>>>>>>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with

>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>> site

>>>>>>>>> administrator.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> What Lem said.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new

>>>>>>>>>> threads

>>>>>>>>>> about this computer & your problems.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several

>>>>>>>>>>> weeks

>>>>>>>>>>> ago.

>>>>>>>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup

>>>>>>>>>>> as

>>>>>>>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I

>>>>>>>>>>> have

>>>>>>>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R

>>>>>>>>>>> click

>>>>>>>>>>> on

>>>>>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other

>>>>>>>>>>> utilities

>>>>>>>>>>> running.

>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this

>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>> way

>>>>>>>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

>>>>>>>>>>> process.

>>>>>>>>>>> LB

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If

>>>>>>>>>>>> you've

>>>>>>>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not

>>>>>>>>>>>> installed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ===============================

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or

>>>>>>>>>>>> Method

>>>>>>>>>>>> 1

>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

>>>>>>>>>>>> computer"

>>>>>>>>>>>> so

>>>>>>>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

>>>>>>>>>>>> connecting

>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

>>>>>>>>>>>> computers)

>>>>>>>>>>>> and

>>>>>>>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or

>>>>>>>>>>>> hasn't

>>>>>>>>>>>> been

>>>>>>>>>>>> freshly formatted:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go

>>>>>>>>>>>> online

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Other helpful references include:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs)

>>>>>>>>>>>> fully

>>>>>>>>>>>> patched

>>>>>>>>>>>> (after a clean install)

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

>>>>>>>>>>>> (after

>>>>>>>>>>>> a

>>>>>>>>>>>> clean install)

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

>>>>>>>>>>>> KB971029

>>>>>>>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> computer

>>>>>>>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when

>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows

>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run

>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

>>>>>>>>>>>> Service

>>>>>>>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

>>>>>>>>>>>> application

>>>>>>>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>>>>>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> original

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Setup

>>>>>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD

>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> It

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from

>>>>>>>>>>>>> the

>>>>>>>>>>>>> CD"

>>>>>>>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

>>>>>>>>>>>>> listed

>>>>>>>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>>>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two

>>>>>>>>>>>>> optical

>>>>>>>>>>>>> drives.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> The

>>>>>>>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Security

>>>>>>>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling

>>>>>>>>>>>>> it....or

>>>>>>>>>>>>> if

>>>>>>>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>>>>>>>> critical.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> LJB

>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>> .

 

[LewB]

"I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.

(Same with AV programs, BTW...)"



I get conflicting responses about the AV's on same computer. See this post.



replies inline....



"LewB" wrote in message

news:6762BA50-AB9E-418F-80E8-248930DBDA99@microsoft.com...

>I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently

>there

> since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to

> be

> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the

> McAfee and

> then run the MSE to see how the two compare?



By "Microsoft Antispyware Program", I assume you mean Windows

Defender....no? If so, no, you don't have to uninstall it or disable it

to install MSE. MSE installs some updated versions of Defender files,

and disables the Defender interface automatically, so you don't have to

do anything with it.



I do NOT recommend installing MSE or any other AV with McAfee still

installed. Even if it is disabled, it can still cause issues. You

should not install any AV while another AV is installed. Although you

can disable McAfee's resident scanner, its drivers and services are

still loaded, and they can interfere with another AV's drivers and

services.



LB







--

LJB





"Daave" wrote:



> I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.

> (Same with AV programs, BTW...)

>

> LewB wrote:

> > "There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for

> > purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same

> > computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the same

> > way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a no-no. "

> >

> > Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs

> > out there.......

> > LJB

> >

> >

> >> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there

> >> would be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc.

> >> See:

> >>

> >> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

> >>

> >> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some

> >> people report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the

> >> capability of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the

> >> flexibility of going back in time several images (a la System

> >> Restore), so this is why I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you

> >> know) can do clones, too, but not incremental ones.

> >>

> >> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

> >> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they

> >> need to be created!)

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you

> >>> have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware)

> >>> for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question

> >>> that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of

> >>> 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now

> >>> to inquire about backups and what is considered better, best,

> >>> safest, etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and

> >>> have used it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are

> >>> no bad characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft

> >>> Security Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other

> >>> thread. I like the idea of an image because you avoid the

> >>> painstaking reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB

> >>> "Daave" wrote:

> >>>

> >>>> Cool! Good job!

> >>>>

> >>>> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

> >>>> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

> >>>> responders this way.

> >>>>

> >>>> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

> >>>> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting

> >>>> a new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different

> >>>> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call),

> >>>> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others

> >>>> can refer to it (to see the bigger picture).

> >>>>

> >>>> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

> >>>>

> >>>> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

> >>>>

> >>>> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all*

> >>>> you do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a

> >>>> disaster the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the

> >>>> updates and all your programs, but who wants to do that when

> >>>> restoring an image of your hard drive takes care of all that

> >>>> instantly!

> >>>>

> >>>> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

> >>>> programs are fine, too.

> >>>>

> >>>> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless

> >>>> you use it just to back up data).

> >>>>

> >>>> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

> >>>> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

> >>>> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows

> >>>> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into

> >>>> another form.

> >>>>

> >>>> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

> >>>> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

> >>>> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

> >>>> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play

> >>>> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new

> >>>>> keyboard today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able

> >>>>> to format and then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I

> >>>>> am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as

> >>>>> advertised. In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the

> >>>>> posts to the same thread

> >>>>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

> >>>>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

> >>>>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary

> >>>>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that

> >>>>> comes with WinXP?

> >>>>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

> >>>>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

> >>>>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and

> >>>>> find it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies

> >>>>> what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt

> >>>>> copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that

> >>>>> what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of

> >>>>> reinstallation of apps that an image program avoids but also

> >>>>> carries over whatever nondesirable objects that you hopefully are

> >>>>> getting rid of with the format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway

> >>>>> many thanks for you great help. LJB

> >>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

> >>>>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

> >>>>>> issue.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

> >>>>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

> >>>>>>> perhaps? Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless

> >>>>>>> Multimedia

> >>>>>>> Keyboard

> >>>>>>> 1.0A

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need

> >>>>>>> to be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

> >>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Daave wrote:

> >>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

> >>>>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

> >>>>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS.

> >>>>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the

> >>>>>>>>>> system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"

> >>>>>>>>>> but when this is done Windows boots normally.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

> >>>>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that

> >>>>>>>>> may need to be changed?

> >>>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the

> >>>>>>>>> CD drive is bad.

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> Also...

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>>

> >>>>>>>> .

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>> .

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >>

> >> .

>

>

> .

>

 

[Daave]

I will ammend my statement to reflect that the AV programs need to be

well-mannered. McAfee does not fit that description. That is, even

if you try to configure McAfee in such a way that it is not running,

part of it may very well be running, nevertheless. Personally, I

wouldn't touch McAfee with a ten-foot pole!



But feel free to install both Avira AntiVir and ClamWin (as an example).

Just make sure they're both not running at the same time. This is easy

to do.



LewB wrote:

> "I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same

> time. (Same with AV programs, BTW...)"

>

> I get conflicting responses about the AV's on same computer. See

> this post.

>

> replies inline....

>

> "LewB" wrote in message

> news:6762BA50-AB9E-418F-80E8-248930DBDA99@microsoft.com...

>> I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently

>> there

>> since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to

>> be

>> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the

>> McAfee and

>> then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

>

> By "Microsoft Antispyware Program", I assume you mean Windows

> Defender....no? If so, no, you don't have to uninstall it or disable

> it

> to install MSE. MSE installs some updated versions of Defender files,

> and disables the Defender interface automatically, so you don't have

> to

> do anything with it.

>

> I do NOT recommend installing MSE or any other AV with McAfee still

> installed. Even if it is disabled, it can still cause issues. You

> should not install any AV while another AV is installed. Although you

> can disable McAfee's resident scanner, its drivers and services are

> still loaded, and they can interfere with another AV's drivers and

> services.

>

> LB

>

>

>

>

>> I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same

>> time. (Same with AV programs, BTW...)

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> "There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for

>>> purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same

>>> computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the

>>> same way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a

>>> no-no. "

>>>

>>> Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs

>>> out there.......

>>> LJB

>>>

>>>

>>>> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there

>>>> would be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc.

>>>> See:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

>>>>

>>>> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some

>>>> people report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has

>>>> the capability of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I

>>>> like the flexibility of going back in time several images (a la

>>>> System Restore), so this is why I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as

>>>> you know) can do clones, too, but not incremental ones.

>>>>

>>>> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

>>>> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they

>>>> need to be created!)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup

>>>>> you have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff

>>>>> (viruses/malware) for that will carry over with the image. And

>>>>> that was the question that was raised in the previous thread (now

>>>>> on page 13 with date of 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP

>>>>> won't load) and brings me now to inquire about backups and what

>>>>> is considered better, best, safest, etc, I did download a a 30

>>>>> day free trial of Acronis and have used it to make a clone to a

>>>>> new HDD. McAfee says there are no bad characters on it and I

>>>>> will probably switch to Microsoft Security Essentials or Avast,

>>>>> etc. as recommended on the other thread. I like the idea of an

>>>>> image because you avoid the painstaking reinstallation of

>>>>> apps, drivers, etc LJB "Daave" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Cool! Good job!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing

>>>>>> up strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

>>>>>> responders this way.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

>>>>>> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not

>>>>>> starting a new thread. But if you feel the thrust is

>>>>>> significantly different *and* if you believe a new thread is

>>>>>> wise (it's a judgment call), best practice is to include a link

>>>>>> to the other thread so others can refer to it (to see the bigger

>>>>>> picture).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine

>>>>>> article:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all*

>>>>>> you do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a

>>>>>> disaster the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the

>>>>>> updates and all your programs, but who wants to do that when

>>>>>> restoring an image of your hard drive takes care of all that

>>>>>> instantly!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it.

>>>>>> Other programs are fine, too.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless

>>>>>> you use it just to back up data).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do

>>>>>> it regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the

>>>>>> proprietary archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is,

>>>>>> with Windows Explorer, you're just copying the data and not

>>>>>> manipulating it into another form.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

>>>>>> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

>>>>>> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

>>>>>> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you

>>>>>> play with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new

>>>>>>> keyboard today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able

>>>>>>> to format and then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer.

>>>>>>> I am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as

>>>>>>> advertised. In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the

>>>>>>> posts to the same thread

>>>>>>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out

>>>>>>> over several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask

>>>>>>> you'all about backups. Is there any advantage to having a

>>>>>>> proprietary backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the

>>>>>>> Backup that comes with WinXP?

>>>>>>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

>>>>>>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

>>>>>>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and

>>>>>>> find it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply

>>>>>>> copies what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after a

>>>>>>> reformatt copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look.

>>>>>>> Isn't that what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance

>>>>>>> there is a lot of reinstallation of apps that an image program

>>>>>>> avoids but also carries over whatever nondesirable objects that

>>>>>>> you hopefully are getting rid of with the format and

>>>>>>> reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great help.

>>>>>>> LJB

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless)

>>>>>>>> keyboard. That's probably your problem with regard to the

>>>>>>>> "press any key" issue.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

>>>>>>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>>>> perhaps? Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless

>>>>>>>>> Multimedia

>>>>>>>>> Keyboard

>>>>>>>>> 1.0A

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need

>>>>>>>>> to be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Daave wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

>>>>>>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

>>>>>>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the

>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in place

>>>>>>>>>>>> the system does displace the "click any key to boot from

>>>>>>>>>>>> the CD" but when this is done Windows boots normally.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS

>>>>>>>>>>> that may need to be changed?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or

>>>>>>>>>>> the CD drive is bad.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Also...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> .

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>>

>> .

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Only one (1) anti-virus application should be installed *and loading at

boot* (running in the background) on your computer.



LewB wrote:

> "I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.

> (Same with AV programs, BTW...)"

>

> I get conflicting responses about the AV's on same computer. See this

> post.

>

> replies inline....

>

> "LewB" wrote in message

> news:6762BA50-AB9E-418F-80E8-248930DBDA99@microsoft.com...

>> I have Microsoft Antispyware Program on this computer, apparently

>> there

>> since 2006. Was this the predecessor of the MSE program and needs to

>> be

>> removed before downloading MSE? I should be able to disable the

>> McAfee and

>> then run the MSE to see how the two compare?

>

> By "Microsoft Antispyware Program", I assume you mean Windows

> Defender....no? If so, no, you don't have to uninstall it or disable it

> to install MSE. MSE installs some updated versions of Defender files,

> and disables the Defender interface automatically, so you don't have to

> do anything with it.

>

> I do NOT recommend installing MSE or any other AV with McAfee still

> installed. Even if it is disabled, it can still cause issues. You

> should not install any AV while another AV is installed. Although you

> can disable McAfee's resident scanner, its drivers and services are

> still loaded, and they can interfere with another AV's drivers and

> services.

>

> LB

>

>

>

>

>> I see no problem as long as they are not all running at the same time.

>> (Same with AV programs, BTW...)

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> "There are a number of AV programs out there, some free, some for

>>> purchase. Is there any proscription to trying several on the same

>>> computer? That is, is there a conflict that could develop in the same

>>> way that having two AV programs on the same computer is a no-no. "

>>>

>>> Sorry about the typo. I meant there are a number of backup programs

>>> out there.......

>>> LJB

>>>

>>>

>>>> YW. In that regard, images and clones are the same. That is, there

>>>> would be no need to reinstall drivers, updates, applications, etc.

>>>> See:

>>>>

>>>> http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=238515

>>>>

>>>> I like images for the reasons cited in the above page. But some

>>>> people report they prefer using a program like Casper, which has the

>>>> capability of creating "incremental" clones. Then again, I like the

>>>> flexibility of going back in time several images (a la System

>>>> Restore), so this is why I prefer Acronis. BTW, Acronis (as you

>>>> know) can do clones, too, but not incremental ones.

>>>>

>>>> If you decide to purchase Acronis, it is *crucial* you create the

>>>> bootable CD! (Retail versions already come with one; otherwise they

>>>> need to be created!)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you

>>>>> have to be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware)

>>>>> for that will carry over with the image. And that was the question

>>>>> that was raised in the previous thread (now on page 13 with date of

>>>>> 4/4 of the General discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now

>>>>> to inquire about backups and what is considered better, best,

>>>>> safest, etc, I did download a a 30 day free trial of Acronis and

>>>>> have used it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says there are

>>>>> no bad characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft

>>>>> Security Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other

>>>>> thread. I like the idea of an image because you avoid the

>>>>> painstaking reinstallation of apps, drivers, etc LJB

>>>>> "Daave" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Cool! Good job!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

>>>>>> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more

>>>>>> responders this way.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

>>>>>> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting

>>>>>> a new thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different

>>>>>> *and* if you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call),

>>>>>> best practice is to include a link to the other thread so others

>>>>>> can refer to it (to see the bigger picture).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all*

>>>>>> you do, you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a

>>>>>> disaster the easy way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the

>>>>>> updates and all your programs, but who wants to do that when

>>>>>> restoring an image of your hard drive takes care of all that

>>>>>> instantly!

>>>>>>

>>>>>> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

>>>>>> programs are fine, too.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless

>>>>>> you use it just to back up data).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

>>>>>> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

>>>>>> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows

>>>>>> Explorer, you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into

>>>>>> another form.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on

>>>>>> another partition and you don't include that in the image). The

>>>>>> easiest method is to have only one partition for everything (OS,

>>>>>> applications, and data) and then regularly image it. Once you play

>>>>>> with Acronis, you'll see it's quite easy to use.

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new

>>>>>>> keyboard today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able

>>>>>>> to format and then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I

>>>>>>> am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as

>>>>>>> advertised. In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the

>>>>>>> posts to the same thread

>>>>>>> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

>>>>>>> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

>>>>>>> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary

>>>>>>> backup program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that

>>>>>>> comes with WinXP?

>>>>>>> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

>>>>>>> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

>>>>>>> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and

>>>>>>> find it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies

>>>>>>> what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt

>>>>>>> copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that

>>>>>>> what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of

>>>>>>> reinstallation of apps that an image program avoids but also

>>>>>>> carries over whatever nondesirable objects that you hopefully are

>>>>>>> getting rid of with the format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway

>>>>>>> many thanks for you great help. LJB

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

>>>>>>>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

>>>>>>>> issue.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

>>>>>>>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>>>> perhaps? Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless

>>>>>>>>> Multimedia

>>>>>>>>> Keyboard

>>>>>>>>> 1.0A

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need

>>>>>>>>> to be changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Daave wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the

>>>>>>>>>>>> original Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will

>>>>>>>>>>>> not boot from the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS.

>>>>>>>>>>>> When the system is restarted with the disc in place the

>>>>>>>>>>>> system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"

>>>>>>>>>>>> but when this is done Windows boots normally.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> Try another keyboard.

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless

>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps? Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that

>>>>>>>>>>> may need to be changed?

>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the

>>>>>>>>>>> CD drive is bad.

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> Also...

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>>>>>>>

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