Unable to boot from WinXP Pro Setup Disc

[LewB]

I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup disc

and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is

set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in

place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but

when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in

"boot devise priority".

1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.

But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc

itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is

critical.

LJB

--

LJB

 

[Pegasus [MVP]]

"LewB" wrote in message

news:05FD223A-1004-464A-88FC-66EE46BC8BBE@microsoft.com...

> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup

> disc

> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is

> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in

> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but

> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in

> "boot devise priority".

> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.

> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc

> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is

> critical.

> LJB

> --

> LJB



The status of your virus scanner is irrelevant when booting the machine from

a CD.



I have seen a number of posts in which people insisted that they were unable

to boot from the CD/DVD drive. Here are the most common reasons for such

failures:

- The poster overlooked the prompt to press a key in order to boot from the

CD/DVD drive.

- The boot CD/DVD was not a boot disk or was damaged. Using it on another

machine confirmed this.

- Some BIOS setting was incorrect. Booting with some other boot CD/DVD (e.g.

from here: http://pogostick.net/~pnh/ntpasswd/) confirmed this.

- The CD/DVD drive was damaged or unable to boot from a boot CD or DVD.

- The machine had a hardware problem (e.g. a motherboard or RAM problem)

that prevented it from booting in any mode.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

[You're still messing around with that computer?!]



> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...



If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.



===============================



HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1 in

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307



After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer" so

take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting

the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers) and

before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been

freshly formatted:



4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx



Other helpful references include:



HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched

(after a clean install)

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c



HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a

clean install)

http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b



Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029

manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029



NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the computer

when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service

Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus application

(which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).



Norton Removal Tool

ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe



McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe



--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002







LewB wrote:

> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup

> disc

> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is

> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in

> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but

> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in

> "boot devise priority".

> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.

> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc

> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is

> critical.

> LJB

 

[LewB]

Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks ago.

I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C and

go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities running.

I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the way

to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.

LB

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>

> > I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>

> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

>

> ===============================

>

> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1 in

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>

> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer" so

> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting

> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers) and

> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been

> freshly formatted:

>

> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>

> Other helpful references include:

>

> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched

> (after a clean install)

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>

> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a

> clean install)

> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>

> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029

> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>

> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the computer

> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service

> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus application

> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>

> Norton Removal Tool

> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>

> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup

> > disc

> > and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It is

> > set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc in

> > place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD" but

> > when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in

> > "boot devise priority".

> > 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> > 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> > 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> > The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical drives.

> > But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc

> > itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> > Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that is

> > critical.

> > LJB

>

> .

>

 

[Lem]

LewB wrote:

> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks ago.

> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C and

> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities running.

> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the way

> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.

> LB



Of the four possibilities Pegasus suggested, your description makes it

seem as if option 2 is the most likely: "The boot CD/DVD was not a boot

disk or was damaged."



What exactly is your "original setup disk"? What words are printed on it?



Where did the "slipstreamed SP3 disc" come from? If you made it, what

did you use as the base CD?



Have you tried either of these CDs on another computer? You don't have

to install anything on the other computer, just confirm (or not) that

the CD boots.



Have you created another bootable CD as Pegasus suggested to determine

if your hardware was capable of booting from *any* CD?



--

Lem



Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

What Lem said.



PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

about this computer & your problems.





LewB wrote:

> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

> ago.

> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C

> and

> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> running.

> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the

> way

> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.

> LB

>

>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>>

>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>>

>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

>>

>> ===============================

>>

>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1

>> in

>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>>

>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer"

>> so

>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting

>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)

>> and

>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been

>> freshly formatted:

>>

>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>>

>> Other helpful references include:

>>

>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched

>> (after a clean install)

>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>>

>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a

>> clean install)

>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>>

>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029

>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>>

>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

>> computer

>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service

>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

>> application

>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>>

>> Norton Removal Tool

>>

>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>>

>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

>>

>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>

>> --

>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup

>>> disc

>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It

>>> is

>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc

>>> in

>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"

>>> but

>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in

>>> "boot devise priority".

>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

>>> drives.

>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc

>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that

>>> is

>>> critical.

>>> LJB

>>

>> .

 

[Daave]

LewB wrote:

> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the

> CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is

> restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the "click

> any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows boots

> normally.



Try another keyboard.



What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is

there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

changed?



If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD drive

is bad.

 

[LewB]

I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this site

is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to

how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the site

administrator.

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> What Lem said.

>

> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

> about this computer & your problems.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

> > ago.

> > I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> > described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> > motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C

> > and

> > go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> > running.

> > I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the

> > way

> > to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.

> > LB

> >

> >> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

> >>

> >>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

> >>

> >> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

> >> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

> >>

> >> ===============================

> >>

> >> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> >> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method 1

> >> in

> >> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

> >>

> >> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new computer"

> >> so

> >> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise connecting

> >> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)

> >> and

> >> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't been

> >> freshly formatted:

> >>

> >> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

> >> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

> >>

> >> Other helpful references include:

> >>

> >> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully patched

> >> (after a clean install)

> >> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

> >>

> >> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after a

> >> clean install)

> >> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

> >>

> >> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install KB971029

> >> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

> >>

> >> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

> >> computer

> >> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

> >> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

> >> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows Service

> >> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

> >> application

> >> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

> >>

> >> Norton Removal Tool

> >>

> >> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

> >>

> >> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> >>

> >> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >>

> >> --

> >> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original Setup

> >>> disc

> >>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive. It

> >>> is

> >>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the disc

> >>> in

> >>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the CD"

> >>> but

> >>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed in

> >>> "boot devise priority".

> >>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> >>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> >>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> >>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

> >>> drives.

> >>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The disc

> >>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> >>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if that

> >>> is

> >>> critical.

> >>> LJB

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[LewB]

Well it does boot to Setup on another computer. And after windows comes up

following a standard boot, placing the disc in the disk drive loads setup

normally and gives me all the options. I could reinstall XP at that time but

I presume this would not be a clean install.

--

LJB





"Lem" wrote:



> LewB wrote:

> > Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks ago.

> > I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> > described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> > motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C and

> > go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities running.

> > I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the way

> > to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot process.

> > LB

>

> Of the four possibilities Pegasus suggested, your description makes it

> seem as if option 2 is the most likely: "The boot CD/DVD was not a boot

> disk or was damaged."

>

> What exactly is your "original setup disk"? What words are printed on it?

>

> Where did the "slipstreamed SP3 disc" come from? If you made it, what

> did you use as the base CD?

>

> Have you tried either of these CDs on another computer? You don't have

> to install anything on the other computer, just confirm (or not) that

> the CD boots.

>

> Have you created another bootable CD as Pegasus suggested to determine

> if your hardware was capable of booting from *any* CD?

>

> --

> Lem

>

> Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:

> http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/40th/index.html

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to (one

of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you

will have the complete history available to them.





LewB wrote:

> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

> site

> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to

> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

> site

> administrator.

>

>> What Lem said.

>>

>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

>> about this computer & your problems.

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

>>> ago.

>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C

>>> and

>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

>>> running.

>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the

>>> way

>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

>>> process.

>>> LB

>>>

>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>>>>

>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>>>>

>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

>>>>

>>>> ===============================

>>>>

>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method

>>>> 1

>>>> in

>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>>>>

>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

>>>> computer"

>>>> so

>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

>>>> connecting

>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)

>>>> and

>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

>>>> been

>>>> freshly formatted:

>>>>

>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>>>>

>>>> Other helpful references include:

>>>>

>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

>>>> patched

>>>> (after a clean install)

>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>>>>

>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after

>>>> a

>>>> clean install)

>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>>>>

>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

>>>> KB971029

>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>>>>

>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

>>>> computer

>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

>>>> Service

>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

>>>> application

>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>>>>

>>>> Norton Removal Tool

>>>>

>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>>>>

>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

>>>>

>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>>>>> Setup

>>>>> disc

>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.

>>>>> It

>>>>> is

>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

>>>>> disc

>>>>> in

>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

>>>>> CD"

>>>>> but

>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed

>>>>> in

>>>>> "boot devise priority".

>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

>>>>> drives.

>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

>>>>> disc

>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

>>>>> that

>>>>> is

>>>>> critical.

>>>>> LJB

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>> .

 

[Daave]

Daave wrote:

> LewB wrote:

>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the

>> CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is

>> restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the "click

>> any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows boots

>> normally.

>

> Try another keyboard.

>

> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is

> there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

> changed?

>

> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD drive

> is bad.



Also...



What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

 

[LewB]

What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2



What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard 1.0A



Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be changed?

No keyboard reference in this BIOS

--

LJB





"Daave" wrote:



> Daave wrote:

> > LewB wrote:

> >> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the

> >> CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is

> >> restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the "click

> >> any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows boots

> >> normally.

> >

> > Try another keyboard.

> >

> > What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is

> > there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

> > changed?

> >

> > If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD drive

> > is bad.

>

> Also...

>

> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>

>

> .

>

 

[LewB]

I thought everyone signed off or got tired/annoyed with the previous thread

which numbered 66 entries and no response of many days to my last post. I

assumed I would therefore need to start a new one for more help......and I do

appreciate the help!!

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to (one

> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you

> will have the complete history available to them.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

> > site

> > is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to

> > how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

> > site

> > administrator.

> >

> >> What Lem said.

> >>

> >> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

> >> about this computer & your problems.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

> >>> ago.

> >>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> >>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> >>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C

> >>> and

> >>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> >>> running.

> >>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the

> >>> way

> >>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

> >>> process.

> >>> LB

> >>>

> >>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

> >>>>

> >>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

> >>>>

> >>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

> >>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

> >>>>

> >>>> ===============================

> >>>>

> >>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> >>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method

> >>>> 1

> >>>> in

> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

> >>>>

> >>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

> >>>> computer"

> >>>> so

> >>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

> >>>> connecting

> >>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)

> >>>> and

> >>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

> >>>> been

> >>>> freshly formatted:

> >>>>

> >>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

> >>>>

> >>>> Other helpful references include:

> >>>>

> >>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

> >>>> patched

> >>>> (after a clean install)

> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

> >>>>

> >>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after

> >>>> a

> >>>> clean install)

> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

> >>>>

> >>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

> >>>> KB971029

> >>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

> >>>>

> >>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

> >>>> computer

> >>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

> >>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

> >>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

> >>>> Service

> >>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

> >>>> application

> >>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

> >>>>

> >>>> Norton Removal Tool

> >>>>

> >>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

> >>>>

> >>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> >>>>

> >>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>>> Setup

> >>>>> disc

> >>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.

> >>>>> It

> >>>>> is

> >>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

> >>>>> disc

> >>>>> in

> >>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

> >>>>> CD"

> >>>>> but

> >>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed

> >>>>> in

> >>>>> "boot devise priority".

> >>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> >>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> >>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> >>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

> >>>>> drives.

> >>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

> >>>>> disc

> >>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> >>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

> >>>>> that

> >>>>> is

> >>>>> critical.

> >>>>> LJB

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[Daave]

Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard. That's

probably your problem with regard to the "press any key" issue.





LewB wrote:

> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

>

> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard

> 1.0A

>

> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

> changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

>

>> Daave wrote:

>>> LewB wrote:

>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>>>> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from

>>>> the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is

>>>> restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the

>>>> "click any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows

>>>> boots normally.

>>>

>>> Try another keyboard.

>>>

>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is

>>> there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

>>> changed?

>>>

>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

>>> drive is bad.

>>

>> Also...

>>

>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>

>>

>> .

 

[LewB]

Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard today and

the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and then install WinXP

and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that the slipstreamed SP3 disc

functioned as advertised.

In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same thread

so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over several

threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all about backups. Is

there any advantage to having a proprietary backup program (Acronis, Ghost,

etc) vs using the Backup that comes with WinXP?

I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an external

drive but that program is very busy and somewhat complicated. I have also

used backup that comes with WinXP and find it to be more "user friendly". My

son says he simply copies what he wants to back up to a flash drive and after

a reformatt copies them back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that

what Backup in WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of

reinstallation of apps that an image program avoids but also carries over

whatever nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the

format and reinstall of WinXP

Anyway many thanks for you great help.

LJB



--

LJB





"Daave" wrote:



> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard. That's

> probably your problem with regard to the "press any key" issue.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> > Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

> > Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

> >

> > What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

> > Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard

> > 1.0A

> >

> > Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

> > changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

> >

> >> Daave wrote:

> >>> LewB wrote:

> >>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from

> >>>> the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is

> >>>> restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the

> >>>> "click any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows

> >>>> boots normally.

> >>>

> >>> Try another keyboard.

> >>>

> >>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps? Is

> >>> there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

> >>> changed?

> >>>

> >>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

> >>> drive is bad.

> >>

> >> Also...

> >>

> >> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>

> >>

> >> .

>

>

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

LewB wrote:

> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard today

> and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and then

> install

> WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that the slipstreamed

> SP3

> disc functioned as advertised...

 

[Daave]

Cool! Good job!



Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more responders

this way.



If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a new

thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different *and* if

you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call), best practice

is to include a link to the other thread so others can refer to it (to

see the bigger picture).



Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:



http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314



Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you do,

you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster the easy

way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and all your

programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image of your hard

drive takes care of all that instantly!



I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

programs are fine, too.



Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you use

it just to back up data).



Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows Explorer,

you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into another form.



With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on another

partition and you don't include that in the image). The easiest method

is to have only one partition for everything (OS, applications, and

data) and then regularly image it. Once you play with Acronis, you'll

see it's quite easy to use.





LewB wrote:

> Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard

> today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and

> then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that

> the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised.

> In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same

> thread

> so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

> several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

> about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary backup

> program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes with

> WinXP?

> I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

> external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

> complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find

> it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he

> wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them

> back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in

> WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of

> apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever

> nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the

> format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great help.

> LJB

>

>

>> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

>> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

>> issue.

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

>>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

>>>

>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

>>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard

>>> 1.0A

>>>

>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

>>> changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

>>>

>>>> Daave wrote:

>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>>>>>> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from

>>>>>> the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system

>>>>>> is restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the

>>>>>> "click any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows

>>>>>> boots normally.

>>>>>

>>>>> Try another keyboard.

>>>>>

>>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

>>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to

>>>>> be changed?

>>>>>

>>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

>>>>> drive is bad.

>>>>

>>>> Also...

>>>>

>>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>>

>> .

 

[LewB]

Good stuff. Thanks. If you use Acronis and do an image backup you have to

be comfortable that you have no bad stuff (viruses/malware) for that will

carry over with the image. And that was the question that was raised in the

previous thread (now on page 13 with date of 4/4 of the General

discussion.....SP won't load) and brings me now to inquire about backups and

what is considered better, best, safest, etc, I did download a a 30 day free

trial of Acronis and have used it to make a clone to a new HDD. McAfee says

there are no bad characters on it and I will probably switch to Microsoft

Security Essentials or Avast, etc. as recommended on the other thread. I

like the idea of an image because you avoid the painstaking reinstallation of

apps, drivers, etc

LJB

"Daave" wrote:



> Cool! Good job!

>

> Actually, if the topic is totally new (like asking about backing up

> strategies), you should start a new thread. You will get more responders

> this way.

>

> If your inability to boot to the Windows XP setup CD was directly

> related to your last thread, I could see the value of not starting a new

> thread. But if you feel the thrust is significantly different *and* if

> you believe a new thread is wise (it's a judgment call), best practice

> is to include a link to the other thread so others can refer to it (to

> see the bigger picture).

>

> Regarding your current question, have a look at this fine article:

>

> http://www.computorcompanion.com/LPMArticle.asp?ID=314

>

> Although backing up data is already recommended, if that's *all* you do,

> you are out of luck when it comes to recovering from a disaster the easy

> way. Sure, you could reinstall the OS and the updates and all your

> programs, but who wants to do that when restoring an image of your hard

> drive takes care of all that instantly!

>

> I recommend Acronis True Image because I use it and like it. Other

> programs are fine, too.

>

> Ntbackup has too many limitations; I'd stay away from it (unless you use

> it just to back up data).

>

> Using Windows Explorer to copy data is fine -- as long as you do it

> regularly and completely! Doing it this way avoids the proprietary

> archive file system that ntbackup uses; that is, with Windows Explorer,

> you're just copying the data and not manipulating it into another form.

>

> With Acronis, the data is backed up, too (unless the data is on another

> partition and you don't include that in the image). The easiest method

> is to have only one partition for everything (OS, applications, and

> data) and then regularly image it. Once you play with Acronis, you'll

> see it's quite easy to use.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > Yeeessss. You were absolutely correct. I purchased a new keyboard

> > today and the boot to SetUp went normally. I was able to format and

> > then install WinXP and now have a "new"computer. I am pleased that

> > the slipstreamed SP3 disc functioned as advertised.

> > In keeping with Robear's last note to keep the posts to the same

> > thread

> > so a full history will be available to all and not spread out over

> > several threads (as I have done with this one) I will ask you'all

> > about backups. Is there any advantage to having a proprietary backup

> > program (Acronis, Ghost, etc) vs using the Backup that comes with

> > WinXP?

> > I have used EMC's Retrospect and backed up a lot of data to an

> > external drive but that program is very busy and somewhat

> > complicated. I have also used backup that comes with WinXP and find

> > it to be more "user friendly". My son says he simply copies what he

> > wants to back up to a flash drive and after a reformatt copies them

> > back to Windows and has a fresh look. Isn't that what Backup in

> > WinXP does?? In either instance there is a lot of reinstallation of

> > apps that an image program avoids but also carries over whatever

> > nondesirable objects that you hopefully are getting rid of with the

> > format and reinstall of WinXP Anyway many thanks for you great help.

> > LJB

> >

> >

> >> Before you do anything else, use another (non-wireless) keyboard.

> >> That's probably your problem with regard to the "press any key"

> >> issue.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>> Custom made PC with Pentium IV 2.8 chip

> >>> Motherboard is Microstar 865PE-Neo-2

> >>>

> >>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

> >>> Yes it is wireless and is Microsoft Wireless Multimedia Keyboard

> >>> 1.0A

> >>>

> >>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to be

> >>> changed? No keyboard reference in this BIOS

> >>>

> >>>> Daave wrote:

> >>>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>>>> Setup disc and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from

> >>>>>> the CD drive. It is set correctly in the BIOS. When the system

> >>>>>> is restarted with the disc in place the system does displace the

> >>>>>> "click any key to boot from the CD" but when this is done Windows

> >>>>>> boots normally.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Try another keyboard.

> >>>>>

> >>>>> What kind of keyboard do you have? PS/2 or USB? Wireless perhaps?

> >>>>> Is there a keyboard-specific setting in the BIOS that may need to

> >>>>> be changed?

> >>>>>

> >>>>> If it's not the keyboard, then either both CDs are bad or the CD

> >>>>> drive is bad.

> >>>>

> >>>> Also...

> >>>>

> >>>> What is the make and model of your PC and/or motherboard?

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >>

> >> .

>

>

> .

>

 

[LewB]

Robear,

I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in the

previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the Microsoft

Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a number

of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a clean install,

etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again and it has a

subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:

microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

and

Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)



This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from Microsoft

and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with this

interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the

unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is no

uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been bundled up

in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both Defender

and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess that

is routine??

LJB

--

LJB





"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to (one

> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you

> will have the complete history available to them.

>

>

> LewB wrote:

> > I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

> > site

> > is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit to

> > how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

> > site

> > administrator.

> >

> >> What Lem said.

> >>

> >> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

> >> about this computer & your problems.

> >>

> >>

> >> LewB wrote:

> >>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

> >>> ago.

> >>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

> >>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

> >>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on C

> >>> and

> >>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

> >>> running.

> >>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is the

> >>> way

> >>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

> >>> process.

> >>> LB

> >>>

> >>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

> >>>>

> >>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

> >>>>

> >>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

> >>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

> >>>>

> >>>> ===============================

> >>>>

> >>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

> >>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method

> >>>> 1

> >>>> in

> >>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

> >>>>

> >>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

> >>>> computer"

> >>>> so

> >>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

> >>>> connecting

> >>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other computers)

> >>>> and

> >>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

> >>>> been

> >>>> freshly formatted:

> >>>>

> >>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

> >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

> >>>>

> >>>> Other helpful references include:

> >>>>

> >>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

> >>>> patched

> >>>> (after a clean install)

> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

> >>>>

> >>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched (after

> >>>> a

> >>>> clean install)

> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

> >>>>

> >>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

> >>>> KB971029

> >>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

> >>>>

> >>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

> >>>> computer

> >>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

> >>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

> >>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

> >>>> Service

> >>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

> >>>> application

> >>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

> >>>>

> >>>> Norton Removal Tool

> >>>>

> >>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

> >>>>

> >>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

> >>>>

> >>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

> >>>>

> >>>> --

> >>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> >>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> LewB wrote:

> >>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

> >>>>> Setup

> >>>>> disc

> >>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.

> >>>>> It

> >>>>> is

> >>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

> >>>>> disc

> >>>>> in

> >>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

> >>>>> CD"

> >>>>> but

> >>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3 listed

> >>>>> in

> >>>>> "boot devise priority".

> >>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

> >>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

> >>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

> >>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

> >>>>> drives.

> >>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

> >>>>> disc

> >>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

> >>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

> >>>>> that

> >>>>> is

> >>>>> critical.

> >>>>> LJB

> >>>>

> >>>> .

> >>

> >> .

>

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Your further investigation suggests that Windows Defender beta had been

installed on the computer 'way back when.



If Defender is installed in WinXP, installing MSE (which includes Defender

"technologies") will remove Defender. (In Vista & Win7, Defender will be

disabled). See this discussion:

http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/5309cb8d-02e1-40e8-974f-0dcedb9ab9fd





LewB wrote:

> Robear,

> I wanted to provide more info on the AV issues that were raised in the

> previous thread I started on 4/4 and especially in regard to the Microsoft

> Antispyware file on my program files. From that point on there were a

> number of posts suggesting this was a rogue file and I needed to do a

> clean

> install, etc which eventually was done. I looked at that folder again and

> it has a subfolder named TempUpdates. When opened there are two files:

> microsoftantispywareinstall.exe (date modified 11/28/2005)

> and

> Windowsdefender.exe (date modified 5/52006)

>

> This suggests to me that Microsoft Antispyware is a valid app from

> Microsoft

> and is related somehow to Windows Defender and wonder if you agree with

> this

> interpretation. I thought you also would want to have this info in the

> unlikely event that this issue could resurface in a new thread.

> As I noted previously this folder is not in Add/Remove and there is no

> uninstall file associated with it. I suspect it somehow has been bundled

> up

> in Window Defender that is running and is in Add/Remove. Also both

> Defender

> and Microsoft Security Essentials are running simultaneously and I guess

> that is routine??

> LJB

>

>> My point is that you should be posting any/all follow-up in replies to

>> (one

>> of) your original, earlier thread(s) so that anyone wishing to assist you

>> will have the complete history available to them.

>>

>>

>> LewB wrote:

>>> I'm not sure what you want me to do then? I thought that is what this

>>> site

>>> is for, to help those of us that are having problems. Is there a limit

>>> to

>>> how many questions one can ask? I'll be happy to discuss this with the

>>> site

>>> administrator.

>>>

>>>> What Lem said.

>>>>

>>>> PS: You're not doing yourself any favors by always starting new threads

>>>> about this computer & your problems.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>> Yeah Bear it is me again trying to do what you suggested several weeks

>>>>> ago.

>>>>> I can't format this HDD from Setup Disc. It won't boot to Setup as

>>>>> described. So how can I format and start over? Pegasus says I have

>>>>> motherboard and disc drive problems. Hopefully not. If I R click on

>>>>> C

>>>>> and

>>>>> go to format, windows will not allow it because of other utilities

>>>>> running.

>>>>> I don't know where they are and how to shut them down or if this is

>>>>> the

>>>>> way

>>>>> to do a format since the Setup is not cooperating with the boot

>>>>> process.

>>>>> LB

>>>>>

>>>>>> [You're still messing around with that computer?!]

>>>>>>

>>>>>>> I have Microsoft Security Essentials [installed]...

>>>>>>

>>>>>> If you're doing a clean install, you must format the HDD. If you've

>>>>>> formatted the HDD, Microsoft Security Essentials is not installed.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ===============================

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HOW TO do a clean install of WinXP: See

>>>>>> http://michaelstevenstech.com/cleanxpinstall.html#steps and/or Method

>>>>>> 1

>>>>>> in

>>>>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/978307

>>>>>>

>>>>>> After the clean install, you will have the equivalent of a "new

>>>>>> computer"

>>>>>> so

>>>>>> take care of everything on the following page before otherwise

>>>>>> connecting

>>>>>> the machine to the internet or a local network (i.e., other

>>>>>> computers)

>>>>>> and

>>>>>> before using a flash drive or SDCard that isn't brand-new or hasn't

>>>>>> been

>>>>>> freshly formatted:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> 4 steps to help protect your new computer before you go online

>>>>>> http://www.microsoft.com/security/pypc.aspx

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Other helpful references include:

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP Gold (no Service Packs) fully

>>>>>> patched

>>>>>> (after a clean install)

>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsupdate/msg/3f5afa8ed33e121c

>>>>>>

>>>>>> HOW TO get a computer running WinXP SP1(a) or SP2 fully patched

>>>>>> (after

>>>>>> a

>>>>>> clean install)

>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/msg/a066ae41add7dd2b

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Tip: After getting the computer fully-patched, download/install

>>>>>> KB971029

>>>>>> manually: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/971029

>>>>>>

>>>>>> NB: Any Norton or McAfee free-trial that came preinstalled on the

>>>>>> computer

>>>>>> when you bought it will be reinstalled (but invalid) when Windows is

>>>>>> reinstalled. You MUST uninstall the free-trial and download/run the

>>>>>> appropriate removal tool before installing any updates, Windows

>>>>>> Service

>>>>>> Packs or IE upgrades and before installing your new anti-virus

>>>>>> application

>>>>>> (which will require WinXP SP3 to be installed).

>>>>>>

>>>>>> Norton Removal Tool

>>>>>>

>>>>>> ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/removal_tools/Norton_Removal_Tool.exe

>>>>>>

>>>>>> McAfee Consumer Products Removal Tool

>>>>>>

>>>>>> http://download.mcafee.com/products/licensed/cust_support_patches/MCPR.exe

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

>>>>>> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> LewB wrote:

>>>>>>> I want to do a clean install of WinXP.Pro. I have the original

>>>>>>> Setup

>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>> and a slipstreamed SP3 disc. Both will not boot from the CD drive.

>>>>>>> It

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> set correctly in the BIOS. When the system is restarted with the

>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>> place the system does displace the "click any key to boot from the

>>>>>>> CD"

>>>>>>> but

>>>>>>> when this is done Windows boots normally. In BIOS there are 3

>>>>>>> listed

>>>>>>> in

>>>>>>> "boot devise priority".

>>>>>>> 1st CD/DVD-0: DVD-ROM-16X6S

>>>>>>> 2nd CD/DVD-1: TSST Corp CD/DVDW SH-S182M

>>>>>>> 3rd CD/DVD-0VD-ROM DVD-16x6S

>>>>>>> The 1st and 3rd are essentially the same. I only have two optical

>>>>>>> drives.

>>>>>>> But trying both discs in each drive produces the same result. The

>>>>>>> disc

>>>>>>> itself suggests disabling all AV program. I have Microsoft Security

>>>>>>> Essentials but there are no directions about disabling it....or if

>>>>>>> that

>>>>>>> is

>>>>>>> critical.

>>>>>>> LJB

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>>>>

>>>> .

>>

>> .