Stupid virus related question here...

[Twayne]

In news:uswmPcDzKHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,

Unknown typed:

> Responses in line

> "Twayne" wrote in message

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....



> That may well be true. However, in my circle of friends,

> relatives and every business I communicate with, I have

> never had a complaint.





1. Such things are seldom attributable to the actual sender.

2. Don't necessarily trigger instantly. May have delays, wait

for next boot, etc.

3. You "assume" your circle of friends et al:

a. will never become infected with anything that could

infect you

b. you would know if they infected you

c. Will never have their address book, which includes your

e-mail address, stolen

d. and that your own address book hasn't been read/stolen

already, exposing all of your friends to malware

4. Since you have "business associates" they are prime

suspects to have been hacked, used and otherwise affected in

ways that can affect you.

5. Erroneously assume that because you back up to an

external device that everything on it is safe. But whenever

your machine is turned on at the same time as the external

drive, it is 100% as susceptible as any of your internal

drives. A lot of malwares tasks are only to destroy data,

beginning with the least used set, as kept track of by

windows.



And several other possibilities. If you aren't a victim of

identity theft already, you'll understand when you do realize

how you've been infected. Well, IF you ever do realize it.

Even something as serious as becoming part of a zombie network

could easily live on your machine. Depending on your ISPs

rules, you might end up wondering why they suddenly and

without warning just close down all your accounts.



>

> Have a good external backup, play safe hex and see how

> great your system runs.



Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never

be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can

infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you

don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be

enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the

page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.



When you disappear from the groups, we'll know what happened

to you.



HTH,



Twayne`

> HTH,

>>

>> Twayne`

>>

>>

>>

>> "Mark Adams" wrote in

>>> message

>>> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...

>>>>

>>>>

>>>> "Unknown" wrote:

>>>>

>>>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no

>>>>> problems with my system, I

>>>>> never have a problem updating,

>>>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and

>>>>> YOU say I'm hiding my

>>>>> head in the sand?????

>>>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my

>>>>> question?

>>>>

>>>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting

>>>> other machines all over the net without your awareness or

>>>> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my

>>>> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like

>>>> yours. ;-)

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>> "C" wrote in message

>>>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>>> Unknown wrote:

>>>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens.

>>>>>>> What should I expect?

>>>>>>> I'm not paranoid.

>>>>>>> "C" wrote in message

>>>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:

>>>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.

>>>>>>>>> "C" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one

>>>>>>>>>>> and have never had a

>>>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications

>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT

>>>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.

>>>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net

>>>>>>>>>> bot, the owner of which isn't really interested in

>>>>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked?

>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little

>>>>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on

>>>>>>>>>> to your computer or what? --

>>>>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because

>>>>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't.

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as

>>>>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.

>>>>>>

>>>>>> --

>>>>>> C

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> .

 

[Unknown]

I am not paranoid. I do not power up my backup and computer at the same

time.

"Twayne" wrote in message

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> In news:uswmPcDzKHA.5288@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl,

> Unknown typed:

>> Responses in line

>> "Twayne" wrote in message

>> news:OU6O5a5yKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>

> ...

>

>> That may well be true. However, in my circle of friends,

>> relatives and every business I communicate with, I have

>> never had a complaint.

>

>

> 1. Such things are seldom attributable to the actual sender.

> 2. Don't necessarily trigger instantly. May have delays, wait for next

> boot, etc.

> 3. You "assume" your circle of friends et al:

> a. will never become infected with anything that could infect you

> b. you would know if they infected you

> c. Will never have their address book, which includes your e-mail

> address, stolen

> d. and that your own address book hasn't been read/stolen already,

> exposing all of your friends to malware

> 4. Since you have "business associates" they are prime suspects to have

> been hacked, used and otherwise affected in ways that can affect you.

> 5. Erroneously assume that because you back up to an external device that

> everything on it is safe. But whenever your machine is turned on at the

> same time as the external drive, it is 100% as susceptible as any of your

> internal drives. A lot of malwares tasks are only to destroy data,

> beginning with the least used set, as kept track of by windows.

>

> And several other possibilities. If you aren't a victim of identity theft

> already, you'll understand when you do realize how you've been infected.

> Well, IF you ever do realize it. Even something as serious as becoming

> part of a zombie network could easily live on your machine. Depending on

> your ISPs rules, you might end up wondering why they suddenly and without

> warning just close down all your accounts.

>

>>

>> Have a good external backup, play safe hex and see how

>> great your system runs.

>

> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never be hacked

> or otherwise infected with things that can infect/affect/effect you. With

> web sites it's even worse; you don't even have to click a link; just

> viewing the page can be enough to trigger a malware download in chunks,

> along with the page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.

>

> When you disappear from the groups, we'll know what happened to you.

>

> HTH,

>

> Twayne`

>> HTH,

>>>

>>> Twayne`

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "Mark Adams" wrote in

>>>> message

>>>> news:1D2B1395-7224-4716-B6F9-B9182C4F4ECA@microsoft.com...

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> "Unknown" wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>>> Like I said. I have never had a virus, I have no

>>>>>> problems with my system, I

>>>>>> never have a problem updating,

>>>>>> I have no antivirus or malware programs installed and

>>>>>> YOU say I'm hiding my

>>>>>> head in the sand?????

>>>>>> Is that a way of your admitting you can't answer my

>>>>>> question?

>>>>>

>>>>> You should expect that your machine will be infecting

>>>>> other machines all over the net without your awareness or

>>>>> knowlege. That's why I have good AV software on my

>>>>> machines; so they won't get infected by machines like

>>>>> yours. ;-)

>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>>> "C" wrote in message

>>>>>> news:hodiqm$svq$1@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:

>>>>>>>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens.

>>>>>>>> What should I expect?

>>>>>>>> I'm not paranoid.

>>>>>>>> "C" wrote in message

>>>>>>>> news:hodf3e$lun$1@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:

>>>>>>>>>> Nothing of any consequence happens.

>>>>>>>>>> "C" wrote in message

>>>>>>>>>> news:hodcsu$h4h$1@speranza.aioe.org...

>>>>>>>>>>> Unknown wrote:

>>>>>>>>>>>> Great post. I have been running XP since day one

>>>>>>>>>>>> and have never had a

>>>>>>>>>>>> virus. I have no malware or virus applications

>>>>>>>>>>>> whatsoever. I DO NOT

>>>>>>>>>>>> click on unknown items.

>>>>>>>>>>> So how do you know you're not infected by a net

>>>>>>>>>>> bot, the owner of which isn't really interested in

>>>>>>>>>>> letting you know you've been punked?

>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that all malware has a little

>>>>>>>>>>> feature that lets you know when they've latched on

>>>>>>>>>>> to your computer or what? --

>>>>>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> How do you know you're not infected? Just because

>>>>>>>>> nothing seems to be happening doesn't mean it isn't.

>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> You're hopelessly hiding your head in the sand and as

>>>>>>> far as I'm concerned, this thread is over.

>>>>>>>

>>>>>>> --

>>>>>>> C

>>>>>>

>>>>>>

>>>>>> .

>

>

>

 

[NA]

On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:



[... snipped for brevity ...]



>

> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never

> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can

> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you

> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be

> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the

> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.

>



[... snipped for brevity ...]



You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays

ignorant that's his/her prerogative.



Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit

well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents

from *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors.

These legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply

businesses taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing

to pay for the space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages

with the malicious ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well

crafted malicious scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters,

and take control of unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of

a compromise to the users. The better the exploit, the more

sophisticated and discrete it is. Hackers today are well organized

criminal syndicates that like to stay under the radar--unlike the

earlier generations of vandals and delinquents that are out for kicks

and bragging rights. That's the reason for a tiered multi-layered

protection approach. If paying for active protection is not an option,

then regularly using some free passive detection tools are better than

taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no protection at all.

 

[Unknown]

Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16 years?

Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.

"NA" wrote in message news:4BABAB7D.9000805@na.org...

> On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:

>

> [... snipped for brevity ...]

>

>>

>> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never

>> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can

>> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you

>> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be

>> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the

>> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.

>>

>

> [... snipped for brevity ...]

>

> You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays

> ignorant that's his/her prerogative.

>

> Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit

> well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents from

> *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors. These

> legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply businesses

> taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing to pay for the

> space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages with the malicious

> ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well crafted malicious

> scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters, and take control of

> unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of a compromise to the

> users. The better the exploit, the more sophisticated and discrete it is.

> Hackers today are well organized criminal syndicates that like to stay

> under the radar--unlike the earlier generations of vandals and delinquents

> that are out for kicks and bragging rights. That's the reason for a

> tiered multi-layered protection approach. If paying for active protection

> is not an option, then regularly using some free passive detection tools

> are better than taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no

> protection at all.

 

[Leythos]

In article , unknown@unknown.kom

says...

> Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16 years?

> Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.

>



In more than 30 years I have personally been compromised 1 time and I

have dozens of computers in my home as well as servers facing the

internet 24/7. In that same period of time, not a single customer has

been compromised.



Now, during all that time, running AV software since it came out, I've

seen thousands of alerts/events where the AV software prevented a

malware from running on my computers.



Since I make a living with computers and networks, I can't imagine

anyone with any common sense actually thinking they don't need a quality

AV solution combined with other security means.



--

You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little

voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.

Trust yourself.

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Tom Willett]

We only have your word for it, no proof. Your history of trolling precedes

your credibility.



"Unknown" wrote in message

news:O84iCoEzKHA.5936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

: Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16

years?

: Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.

: "NA" wrote in message news:4BABAB7D.9000805@na.org...

: > On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:

: >

: > [... snipped for brevity ...]

: >

: >>

: >> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never

: >> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can

: >> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you

: >> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be

: >> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the

: >> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.

: >>

: >

: > [... snipped for brevity ...]

: >

: > You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays

: > ignorant that's his/her prerogative.

: >

: > Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit

: > well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents

from

: > *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors. These

: > legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply businesses

: > taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing to pay for

the

: > space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages with the malicious

: > ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well crafted malicious

: > scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters, and take control

of

: > unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of a compromise to the

: > users. The better the exploit, the more sophisticated and discrete it

is.

: > Hackers today are well organized criminal syndicates that like to stay

: > under the radar--unlike the earlier generations of vandals and

delinquents

: > that are out for kicks and bragging rights. That's the reason for a

: > tiered multi-layered protection approach. If paying for active

protection

: > is not an option, then regularly using some free passive detection tools

: > are better than taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no

: > protection at all.

:

:

 

[Unknown]

You just said it. In 30 years you had one virus. NOW, how did you get it.

Did the AV programs REALLY detect a virus or was it one of those fake

messages enticing you to try their programs. What virus did it detect?

How was it deleted?

"Leythos" wrote in message

news:MPG.26157b1687b2833d98a214@us.news.astraweb.com...

> In article , unknown@unknown.kom

> says...

>> Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16

>> years?

>> Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.

>>

>

> In more than 30 years I have personally been compromised 1 time and I

> have dozens of computers in my home as well as servers facing the

> internet 24/7. In that same period of time, not a single customer has

> been compromised.

>

> Now, during all that time, running AV software since it came out, I've

> seen thousands of alerts/events where the AV software prevented a

> malware from running on my computers.

>

> Since I make a living with computers and networks, I can't imagine

> anyone with any common sense actually thinking they don't need a quality

> AV solution combined with other security means.

>

> --

> You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little

> voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.

> Trust yourself.

> spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[Unknown]

I'm not asking you to accept my word. Nevertheless it is a fact.

When and how did you get your last virus?

Simply amazing; when anyone doesn't agree with another's post they are

always a troll---ala Tim Blake.

"Tom Willett" wrote in message

news:Oik6hTFzKHA.5940@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> We only have your word for it, no proof. Your history of trolling precedes

> your credibility.

>

> "Unknown" wrote in message

> news:O84iCoEzKHA.5936@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> : Perhaps then you can tell me why I haven't had a virus in the last 16

> years?

> : Where do you get your facts? Give me a malicious page to land on.

> : "NA" wrote in message news:4BABAB7D.9000805@na.org...

> : > On 3/25/2010 1:29 PM EST, Twayne wrote:

> : >

> : > [... snipped for brevity ...]

> : >

> : >>

> : >> Safe Hex does not mean the trusted sites you access will never

> : >> be hacked or otherwise infected with things that can

> : >> infect/affect/effect you. With web sites it's even worse; you

> : >> don't even have to click a link; just viewing the page can be

> : >> enough to trigger a malware download in chunks, along with the

> : >> page's normal content. You'd never see it coming.

> : >>

> : >

> : > [... snipped for brevity ...]

> : >

> : > You made some excellent points--whether 'Unknown' wakes up or stays

> : > ignorant that's his/her prerogative.

> : >

> : > Just want to add my 2 cents, even trusted sites--large legit

> : > well-recognized sites--have been known to contain malicious contents

> from

> : > *advertisers* which were disseminated unchecked to site visitors.

> These

> : > legit sites were neither hacked or infected--they're simply businesses

> : > taking in any ad content as long as their client is willing to pay for

> the

> : > space. No clicks needed, just landing on those pages with the

> malicious

> : > ads is enough for an infection and/or attack. Well crafted malicious

> : > scripts can easily bypass the firewalls, NAT filters, and take control

> of

> : > unprotected and vulnerable PCs without any trace of a compromise to

> the

> : > users. The better the exploit, the more sophisticated and discrete it

> is.

> : > Hackers today are well organized criminal syndicates that like to stay

> : > under the radar--unlike the earlier generations of vandals and

> delinquents

> : > that are out for kicks and bragging rights. That's the reason for a

> : > tiered multi-layered protection approach. If paying for active

> protection

> : > is not an option, then regularly using some free passive detection

> tools

> : > are better than taking the naive 'head-in-the-sand' approach with no

> : > protection at all.

> :

> :

>

>

 

[Leythos]

In article , unknown@unknown.kom

says...

> You just said it. In 30 years you had one virus. NOW, how did you get it.

> Did the AV programs REALLY detect a virus or was it one of those fake

> messages enticing you to try their programs. What virus did it detect?

> How was it deleted?

>



I typed in a website address incorrectly, to a MS website, was taken to

a rogue website, redirected in under a second, and the malware opened

several dos boxes and began installing trojans and other things on the

computer in question.



The computer was fully patched, running IE and Firefox, fully patched,

with Symantec End Point Protection fully updated and running, as a local

admin (which is how most windows computers are currently running) - I

have duplicated the same infection method in IE and Firefox with

Symantec, McAfee, Trend, AVG and several others at that time (all of

them currently, today, block it).



This is a download computer, meaning that we keep an image in case it's

compromised, and it sits on a separate network so that our other

networks are not compromised. I spent close to 4 hours cleaning the

malware off of the system - the malware blocked execution of almost

every major player out there, including in safe mode, including renaming

their executables - the only anti-malware that would run without being

blocked was Trojan Remover 6.8.1 and it removed enough to allow the

anti-malware tools to properly run.



After I felt it was clean, I wiped the computer, restored a clean image,

and loaded Avira Antivir free edition - testing showed that the malware

was detected and blocked. In the past month I've seen instances where

Avira has blocked other drive-by attacks that the others have not

blocked....



This also describes how many of the infected machines I've seen are

compromised - and yes, I know all about the social engineered fake AV

warnings and few of our customers have been stupid enough to get

compromised by that.



--

You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little

voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.

Trust yourself.

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)

 

[HeyBub]

Unknown wrote:

> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I

> expect? I'm not paranoid.



NOW I know where all the spam is coming from!

 

[Unknown]

Dream on!

"HeyBub" wrote in message

news:el1d7iPzKHA.3264@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> Unknown wrote:

>> Like I said----nothing of any consequence happens. What should I

>> expect? I'm not paranoid.

>

> NOW I know where all the spam is coming from!

>