On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 14:20:08 -0300, John John (MVP) wrote:
> Kayman wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 09:14:31 -0300, John John (MVP) wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Kayman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Fact:
>>>>The only reasonable way to deal with malware is to prevent it from being
>>>>run in the first place. That's what AV software or Windows' System
>>>>Restriction Policies are doing. And what 3rd party Personal (so-called)
>>>>Firewalls fail to do!
>>>>
>>>>John John (MVP), would you please educate and inform yourself by studying
>>>>publications not associated with any COMMERCIAL influence. Additionally,
>>>>the authors of these publications can be contacted....why don't you bite
>>>>the bullet and do so? It'll brighten your horizon and you could pass on
>>>>your newly acquired knowledge to this and other newsgroups.
>>>
>>>Only a fool...
>>
>>
>> You just can't help yourself, can you.
>> Name calling does not hide your immaturity.
>>
>>
>>>...would claim that proper egress control has no place in network security.
>>
>>
>> Where precisely did I claim that?
>>
>>
>>>Even the experts at Microsoft advise users to protect their data with
>>>egress control.
>>
>>
>> Which 3rd party personal (so-called) firewall is MSFT recommending?
>> Where are links, URL's, publications?
>>
>>
>>>You, of course, also know better than the folks at Microsoft.
>>
>>
>> Your assumption is nothing but an assumption (you've got to replace that
>> crystal ball). And who in particular from MSFT are you referring to? I'd be
>> genuinely interested to read their write-ups. If you're referring to the
>> authors already mentioned in this thread, please point me to their
>> publication(s) which state that 3rd party personal (so-called) firewall is
>> an effective tool for controlling egress traffic.
>> It seems you either totally not understanding my point or deliberately
>> evading the issue!
>> MSFT knows exactly well that outbound application protection is an
>> illusion, which is why they don't offer such a (phony-baloney) thing.
>> Unlike you, they understand the nature of their operating system, and are
>> even honest enough to admit that outbound control is way too unreliable.
>> Even commercial enterprises like Sunbelt, makers of Kerio and Steve Gibson
>> of Gibson Research Corporation have finally conceded this fact!
>> Now don't change directions here and twist this straightforward post into a
>> convoluted psychedelic drivel.
>> John John (MVP), WHERE IS THE BEEF? SHOW US THE MONEY! PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
>
> You constantly shift the discussion from the value of proper egress
> filtering to software firewalls, even though I have said right from the
> start that egress filtering at the firewall can be foiled and that users
> should consider better methods. So get it in your thick skull, egress
> filtering at a perimeter appliance is a sound security measure, even the
> folks at Microsoft will tell you this:
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa302431.aspx
>
> Now maybe you should read what is says there and get a grip on yourself,
> you don't know all that there is to know about network security and data
> protection! Quite frankly you should not be one to speak of drivel, you
> spew enough of it yourself! If you are really too stupid to recognize
> the purpose and usefulness of egress traffic control then you are indeed
> lacking in the basics of network and data security!
>
This thread is about what the original heading suggests; It later graduated
to security issues in relation to 3rd party personal (so-called) firewalls.
I reiterate, this thread is about 3rd party personal (so-called)
firewall(s)! My posts and responses were composed accordingly!
If anybody is running around like a headless chicken it is you.
The sole purpose for snipping my posts so cleverly is to save your face; It
enables you to take my responses out of context which is a sorry attempt
for trying to re-establish your credibility!
After reading my posts in their *UNCUT* version, anybody with average
reading skills and moderate level of comprehension see through your 'game'.
John John (MVP), After you've wiped the tons of eggs from your face, I
suggest you never ever touch that subject again, change your name, sell
your house and migrate to Andorra or Lesotho then join a yacht club and
teach sailing.
I am done with you.
