Algorithm for what appears in addressbar drop down in IE8?

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OK.. IE6 seemed moderately predictable, IE7 a little less, but still

slightly sensible, but WTF is up with IE8? I can't figure what

possible criteria it could be using to populate the drop down. Some

items that I frequently type in never show up, and some that I type

just once jump right in. Any ideas on how to get some addresses you

use frequently to show up in the drop down?
 
Windows Search!



>WT OK.. IE6 seemed moderately predictable, IE7 a little less, but still

> slightly sensible, but WTF is up with IE8? I can't figure what

> possible criteria it could be using to populate the drop down. Some

> items that I frequently type in never show up, and some that I type

> just once jump right in. Any ideas on how to get some addresses you

> use frequently to show up in the drop down?

>
 
Smart Address Bar: What's new?

http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/06/12/ie8-smart-address-bar-what-s-new.aspx



+Bob+ wrote:

> OK.. IE6 seemed moderately predictable, IE7 a little less, but still

> slightly sensible, but WTF is up with IE8? I can't figure what

> possible criteria it could be using to populate the drop down. Some

> items that I frequently type in never show up, and some that I type

> just once jump right in. Any ideas on how to get some addresses you

> use frequently to show up in the drop down?
 
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:43:35 -0400, "williamtell"

wrote:



>Windows Search!

>




You're going to need to elaborate on that answer a bit for it to be

helpful.
 
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:44:11 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"

wrote:



>Smart Address Bar: What's new?

>http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/06/12/ie8-smart-address-bar-what-s-new.aspx




Informative, but it still doesn't answer my question that I could

determine as it pertains to what happens when you start typing.



What I'm trying to figure out is how IE8 decides what will be in the

list when you click the drop down arrow to the right of the address

bar. It's got a very odd collection, including "about:blank", but some

sites I've been to very often don't appear. In IE7, the recent sites

would always be there.
 
Sorry about the delay in response, but I had the same issue as you, after

uninstalling Windows Search, seems Search is required for some components of

IE8 to function properly.



"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 18:44:11 -0400, "PA Bear [MS MVP]"

> wrote:

>

>>Smart Address Bar: What's new?

>>http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/06/12/ie8-smart-address-bar-what-s-new.aspx


>

> Informative, but it still doesn't answer my question that I could

> determine as it pertains to what happens when you start typing.

>

> What I'm trying to figure out is how IE8 decides what will be in the

> list when you click the drop down arrow to the right of the address

> bar. It's got a very odd collection, including "about:blank", but some

> sites I've been to very often don't appear. In IE7, the recent sites

> would always be there.
 
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:11:33 -0400, "williamtell"

wrote:



>Sorry about the delay in response, but I had the same issue as you, after

>uninstalling Windows Search, seems Search is required for some components of

>IE8 to function properly.

>




I read about that... leave it to MS to integrate the browser in yet

another way with the OS that's totally unnecessary.



But, after reading PA Bear's pointer on the address bar, I'm still

left wanting. The recent history (URL's I've typed) should show up in

the drop down. It's one of the regkey stored items... not one that has

to be searched like favorites. Again, I'm talking about clicking the

drop down arrow without typing anything.
 
Hi Bob,



Some IE Addons will clean your tracks, including typed urls. This may or may

not apply in your case.



Go to Tools>Internet Options - Content tab, Autocomplete section, Settings

button. You need the Address bar option checked in order to display the

Typed urls in the Navigation bar Address dropdown.



So the algorithm is



Address bar unchecked - display nothing when the Address drop down is

displayed. (Alt+D to set the focus in the Address bar, Alt+Down arrow to

display the drop-down list)



Address bar checked - Display typed url history + any other checked options

(Browsing history, Favorites or Feeds) under the Address bar checkbox.



Use Windows Search for better results - Use Windows Indexing services

instead of brute force file searching to search the History and Favorites

files for matches.



Regards.



"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 20:11:33 -0400, "williamtell"

> wrote:

>

>>Sorry about the delay in response, but I had the same issue as you, after

>>uninstalling Windows Search, seems Search is required for some components

>>of

>>IE8 to function properly.

>>


>

> I read about that... leave it to MS to integrate the browser in yet

> another way with the OS that's totally unnecessary.

>

> But, after reading PA Bear's pointer on the address bar, I'm still

> left wanting. The recent history (URL's I've typed) should show up in

> the drop down. It's one of the regkey stored items... not one that has

> to be searched like favorites. Again, I'm talking about clicking the

> drop down arrow without typing anything.

>
 
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:35:09 +1100, "rob^_^"

wrote:



>Address bar checked - Display typed url history + any other checked options

>(Browsing history, Favorites or Feeds) under the Address bar checkbox.




Odd then. There are a few sites I visit every day. I have to type in

the URLs because clicking the drop down arrow shows me an odd

collection of URL's and I can't get to the sites by the drop down.

When I type them (at least a significant number of characters), they

do show up in the dynamic drop down list that MS provides. But, they

are never in the basic drop down/arrow.



In IE7 they always showed up in the drop down arrow driven box, as

would be expected.
 
What Addon Toolbars do you have installed.



Type url completion reads what has been stored in the Registry. Deleting

your tracks on exiting IE (IE setting or third party product) will change

what is listed in the typed urls keys.



viz... you select an item from the type urls list (at the top of the Address

bar dropdown) but don't actually type it in will add an entry to your

history, but not a new entry to your typed urls.



You type in a new address that is not in your typed urls list, but is in

your History. IE selects the uri from the history list, no typed url is

added to the registry.... etc.



"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:35:09 +1100, "rob^_^"

> wrote:

>

>>Address bar checked - Display typed url history + any other checked

>>options

>>(Browsing history, Favorites or Feeds) under the Address bar checkbox.


>

> Odd then. There are a few sites I visit every day. I have to type in

> the URLs because clicking the drop down arrow shows me an odd

> collection of URL's and I can't get to the sites by the drop down.

> When I type them (at least a significant number of characters), they

> do show up in the dynamic drop down list that MS provides. But, they

> are never in the basic drop down/arrow.

>

> In IE7 they always showed up in the drop down arrow driven box, as

> would be expected.

>

>

>
 
Bob, try this/ If you have not, Install Window Search, open IE8>click

Tools>Internet Options>General Tab, Browsing history, click Settings>Days to

keep pages in history,mine is set to 5>click Content tab>AutoComplete, click

Settings>check, Use Window Search for better results

Worst case cinereo, if you do not like it, uninstall Search.

Hope this works for you!



>WT What Addon Toolbars do you have installed.

>

> Type url completion reads what has been stored in the Registry. Deleting

> your tracks on exiting IE (IE setting or third party product) will change

> what is listed in the typed urls keys.

>

> viz... you select an item from the type urls list (at the top of the

> Address bar dropdown) but don't actually type it in will add an entry to

> your history, but not a new entry to your typed urls.

>

> You type in a new address that is not in your typed urls list, but is in

> your History. IE selects the uri from the history list, no typed url is

> added to the registry.... etc.

>

> "+Bob+" wrote in message

> news:jvr4q599pkf2btffebfi2bfhhr6gruonm8@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 04:35:09 +1100, "rob^_^"

>> wrote:

>>

>>>Address bar checked - Display typed url history + any other checked

>>>options

>>>(Browsing history, Favorites or Feeds) under the Address bar checkbox.


>>

>> Odd then. There are a few sites I visit every day. I have to type in

>> the URLs because clicking the drop down arrow shows me an odd

>> collection of URL's and I can't get to the sites by the drop down.

>> When I type them (at least a significant number of characters), they

>> do show up in the dynamic drop down list that MS provides. But, they

>> are never in the basic drop down/arrow.

>>

>> In IE7 they always showed up in the drop down arrow driven box, as

>> would be expected.

>>

>>

>>
 
On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:56:18 +1100, "rob^_^"

wrote:



>What Addon Toolbars do you have installed.




It's "stock" MSIE 8. The only customization I have is that I ran the

reg hack when I had IE7 that moved the menu bar to the top and the

address bad below that.



>Type url completion reads what has been stored in the Registry. Deleting

>your tracks on exiting IE (IE setting or third party product) will change

>what is listed in the typed urls keys.




I think this is the area that is messing up. I cleared everything

history and cache wise. My drop down address bar was empty. I have

since typed half dozen URL's. Only one is seen when I click the drop

down arrow.



>

>viz... you select an item from the type urls list (at the top of the Address

>bar dropdown) but don't actually type it in will add an entry to your

>history, but not a new entry to your typed urls.

>

>You type in a new address that is not in your typed urls list, but is in

>your History. IE selects the uri from the history list, no typed url is

>added to the registry.... etc.




I could see this as a factor, except I've cleared all history and they

still don't get logged when I type them.
 
If you have Search installed, right click on the taskbar icon, click

options, check that IE search history is showing as chosen for indexing.



"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 05:56:18 +1100, "rob^_^"

> wrote:

>

>>What Addon Toolbars do you have installed.


>

> It's "stock" MSIE 8. The only customization I have is that I ran the

> reg hack when I had IE7 that moved the menu bar to the top and the

> address bad below that.

>

>>Type url completion reads what has been stored in the Registry. Deleting

>>your tracks on exiting IE (IE setting or third party product) will change

>>what is listed in the typed urls keys.


>

> I think this is the area that is messing up. I cleared everything

> history and cache wise. My drop down address bar was empty. I have

> since typed half dozen URL's. Only one is seen when I click the drop

> down arrow.

>

>>

>>viz... you select an item from the type urls list (at the top of the

>>Address

>>bar dropdown) but don't actually type it in will add an entry to your

>>history, but not a new entry to your typed urls.

>>

>>You type in a new address that is not in your typed urls list, but is in

>>your History. IE selects the uri from the history list, no typed url is

>>added to the registry.... etc.


>

> I could see this as a factor, except I've cleared all history and they

> still don't get logged when I type them.
 
"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> I think this is the area that is messing up. I cleared everything

> history and cache wise. My drop down address bar was empty. I have

> since typed half dozen URL's. Only one is seen when I click the drop

> down arrow.






Try closing IE then and go and inspect your TypedURLs values in the

registry. I.e., make sure you recycle IE so those values get saved. I

haven't studied the new implementation but the old one for sure had an

internal TypedURLs and an external one. You haven't disclosed your OS

but if you have XP you could use its TweakUI to do that without having to

resort to RegEdit. Also, it may help if you gave some examples of URLs

which you have typed which are not being stored. I don't think that would

be that unusual. Frankly I don't understand why people are so attached to

that anachronism. ; ]





HTH



Robert Aldwinckle

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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0400, "Robert Aldwinckle"

wrote:



>

>Try closing IE then and go and inspect your TypedURLs values in the

>registry. I.e., make sure you recycle IE so those values get saved. I

>haven't studied the new implementation but the old one for sure had an

>internal TypedURLs and an external one. You haven't disclosed your OS

>but if you have XP you could use its TweakUI to do that without having to

>resort to RegEdit. Also, it may help if you gave some examples of URLs

>which you have typed which are not being stored. I don't think that would

>be that unusual. Frankly I don't understand why people are so attached to

>that anachronism. ; ]




OS is Vista, SP2, all updates installed though a few days ago.



Seems like it's not writing the URL's to typedURL - except on some

random basis.



I just did a Reset on IE and cleared everything. It went to

go.microtsoft.com automatically when I restarted it and that URL was

recorded in typedURLs. I then visited some sites I was sure were not

in my history or favorites. Here's a list:



www.ford.com, www.lotuscars.com, www.chrysler.com, www.hyundai.com,

www.example.com.



None of these URL's are in my favorites and this machine has never

been to chrysler or hyundai (keeping in mind that my history was

cleared too in the reset). I've may have been to the others in the

long past (uncertain, but keep in mind I cleared the history). Along

the way with this problem I've also used ccleaner to clear the other

MSIE schmegma so there should actually be no history anywhere of any

of these sites.



Out of those URL's, only chryler.com and example.com were recorded in

typedURL's. Just for kicks, I changed one of the typedURL keys in

regedit and added another. They showed up just fine back in MSIE.



So, it seems that the mechanism that gets the "new" links to

typedURL's is not working.
 
"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0400, "Robert Aldwinckle"




> OS is Vista, SP2, all updates installed though a few days ago.

>

> Seems like it's not writing the URL's to typedURL - except on some

> random basis.

>

> I just did a Reset on IE and cleared everything. It went to

> go.microtsoft.com automatically when I restarted it and that URL was

> recorded in typedURLs.






Why would something that happened automatically go into TypedURLs? In my

experience (pre-W7) the only things that went in there were URLs which

resulted in successful connections. E.g. typically no mistyping unless

there really was a host name which matched that mistyping. In particular

URLs which were entered using the Ctrl-o dialog didn't get put there. I

just proved that is still the case with Ctrl-o www.edsel.com Enter.







> I then visited some sites I was sure were not

> in my history or favorites. Here's a list:

>

> www.ford.com, www.lotuscars.com, www.chrysler.com, www.hyundai.com,

> www.example.com.






Good examples!





>

> None of these URL's are in my favorites and this machine has never

> been to chrysler or hyundai (keeping in mind that my history was

> cleared too in the reset). I've may have been to the others in the

> long past (uncertain, but keep in mind I cleared the history). Along

> the way with this problem I've also used ccleaner to clear the other

> MSIE schmegma so there should actually be no history anywhere of any

> of these sites.

>

> Out of those URL's, only chryler.com and example.com were recorded in

> typedURL's. Just for kicks, I changed one of the typedURL keys in

> regedit and added another. They showed up just fine back in MSIE.






That's bizarre. I was imagining that perhaps ones which did redirects

wouldn't be there because there wouldn't be any completed connections with

them. So, in that case both Chrysler and Hyundai would not have appeared,

since they both redirect. Also what exactly is recorded there, your exact

typing or the URL that is left in the Address bar after you press Enter?

E.g. although I entered your examples exactly as you gave them each is

enclosed within http:// and a trailing / in both the registry and in the

F4 display under the Address bar.





>

> So, it seems that the mechanism that gets the "new" links to

> typedURL's is not working.






Remember I mentioned the possibility of there being two representations?

Have you tried closing IE after each test? Or at least pressing F5 in

RegEdit then as you are viewing (HKCU) TypedURLs?



FWIW I'm on W7 and noticing what I think may be a new implementation. E.g.

in XP I can remember that there was a special value which represented all of

the entries by a letter--probably why the implementation was restricted to

having only 25 entries and then that was used somehow in a replacement

algorithm--perhaps a true LRU replacement scheme. I see no sign of that in

W7. Instead what happens is that each time I enter a new URL in the

Address bar it is assigned to url1 and all the others are re-numbered

accordingly. Hence, no LRU possibility, just discarding whatever happens

to be url25 at the time. Pity the poor person who wants to manage 26

frequently used entries this way. OMG! I just realized that they

could actually have a kind of LRU mechanism if they also rewrote everything

not just as it was changed but as it was used. In fact, that seems to be

what happens. Who knew? (Writing just the string of letters would be

more efficient but perhaps someone didn't quite understand how it used to

work.) ; }



I have always been annoyed that it didn't save any javascript: fragments I

would enter. That still seems to be true. But I can still do about:1

about:2 ... about:25 to "clear" the TypedURLs. (Memories.) ; ) In any

case, I saw all of your examples added one by one into my TypedURLs and I

saw them reported (or more likely I suspect, mirrored) when I pressed F4 in

the IE Address bar. And as I mentioned when I actually used one it became

number 1 and all the others were renumbered accordingly.



BTW there is another possibility you could try. Turn off AutoComplete for

the Address bar. New to IE8 that loses being able to press F4 and see the

TypedURLs listed under the Address bar but instead what you could then do is

press Ctrl-o CursorDown and see them all listed under the Open dialog's

input box. ; )



If you want you could trace whether TypedURLs is being updated consistently

using ProcMon. I'll be interested in knowing if you have the old string of

letters LRU mechanism or if you see the same update even on access

implementation that I am seeing.





HTH



Robert

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On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:39:33 -0400, "Robert Aldwinckle"

wrote:



>Remember I mentioned the possibility of there being two representations?

>Have you tried closing IE after each test? Or at least pressing F5 in

>RegEdit then as you are viewing (HKCU) TypedURLs?




I've closed both MSIE and Regedit... no improvement.



>FWIW I'm on W7 and noticing what I think may be a new implementation. E.g.

>in XP I can remember that there was a special value which represented all of

>the entries by a letter--probably why the implementation was restricted to

>having only 25 entries and then that was used somehow in a replacement

>algorithm--perhaps a true LRU replacement scheme. I see no sign of that in

>W7. Instead what happens is that each time I enter a new URL in the

>Address bar it is assigned to url1 and all the others are re-numbered

>accordingly. Hence, no LRU possibility, just discarding whatever happens

>to be url25 at the time. Pity the poor person who wants to manage 26

>frequently used entries this way. OMG! I just realized that they

>could actually have a kind of LRU mechanism if they also rewrote everything

>not just as it was changed but as it was used. In fact, that seems to be

>what happens. Who knew? (Writing just the string of letters would be

>more efficient but perhaps someone didn't quite understand how it used to

>work.) ; }

>

>I have always been annoyed that it didn't save any javascript: fragments I

>would enter. That still seems to be true. But I can still do about:1

>about:2 ... about:25 to "clear" the TypedURLs. (Memories.) ; ) In any

>case, I saw all of your examples added one by one into my TypedURLs and I

>saw them reported (or more likely I suspect, mirrored) when I pressed F4 in

>the IE Address bar. And as I mentioned when I actually used one it became

>number 1 and all the others were renumbered accordingly.




Yes, I am familiar with the Javascript: issue. Annoying!



I just clear everything, then entered 7 new URL's. One of the 5 was

recorded. It was www.lotus.com. THat one actually redirects to

http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/ in the browser, but the initial

typed URL is what gets recorded.



>

>BTW there is another possibility you could try. Turn off AutoComplete for

>the Address bar. New to IE8 that loses being able to press F4 and see the

>TypedURLs listed under the Address bar but instead what you could then do is

>press Ctrl-o CursorDown and see them all listed under the Open dialog's

>input box. ; )




When I tried this, there were no URL's saved in the Open drop down.



One additional fact I noticed is that when I do start ->run, nothing

is saved in the start-> run box. i.e. I have to type Regedit each

time. Any thoughts as to why that might be? I checked the permissions

on the typedURL key and they are fine - I have full control as a user

as does the system and administrator. ALthough, if it was a permission

problem, you would think that NO URL's would be recorded... and SOME

are, just not many.



>If you want you could trace whether TypedURLs is being updated consistently

>using ProcMon. I'll be interested in knowing if you have the old string of

>letters LRU mechanism or if you see the same update even on access

>implementation that I am seeing.




I'm not sure if I understand your question exactly, but the values are

labeled url1, url2, etc.
 
"+Bob+" wrote in message

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> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 21:39:33 -0400, "Robert Aldwinckle"

> wrote:

>

>>Remember I mentioned the possibility of there being two representations?

>>Have you tried closing IE after each test? Or at least pressing F5 in

>>RegEdit then as you are viewing (HKCU) TypedURLs?


>

> I've closed both MSIE and Regedit... no improvement.






It should only be necessary to press F5 in RegEdit, so you could avoid

closing it. Try using ProcMon to see when the TypedURLs get accessed and

updated.



....

> I just clear everything, then entered 7 new URL's. One of the 5 was

> recorded. It was www.lotus.com. THat one actually redirects to

> http://www-01.ibm.com/software/lotus/ in the browser, but the initial

> typed URL is what gets recorded.






If, by "was recorded" you mean you don't see it when you press F4, I suspect

that is something unique to your Vista. As I mentioned I'm not sure when

the actual values should get saved or updated in the registry. BTW did you

try using about:1 about:2 ... about:25 ? Easier, largely reusable

typing.





>

>>

>>BTW there is another possibility you could try. Turn off AutoComplete

>>for the Address bar. New to IE8 that loses being able to press F4 and

>>see the TypedURLs listed under the Address bar but instead what you could

>>then do is press Ctrl-o CursorDown and see them all listed under the Open

>>dialog's input box. ; )


>

> When I tried this, there were no URL's saved in the Open drop down.






Were there any in TypedURLs at that point? ; )





>

> One additional fact I noticed is that when I do start ->run, nothing

> is saved in the start-> run box. i.e. I have to type Regedit each

> time. Any thoughts as to why that might be?






AutoComplete for Windows. What happens if you use Run... (Win-R) and F4

instead?





> I checked the permissions

> on the typedURL key and they are fine - I have full control as a user

> as does the system and administrator. ALthough, if it was a permission

> problem, you would think that NO URL's would be recorded... and SOME

> are, just not many.

>




>>If you want you could trace whether TypedURLs is being updated

>>consistently using ProcMon. I'll be interested in knowing if you have the

>>old string of letters LRU mechanism or if you see the same update even on

>>access implementation that I am seeing.


>

> I'm not sure if I understand your question exactly, but the values are

> labeled url1, url2, etc.






Sorry. You don't need to use ProcMon to see that but it would probably be

more apparent. As I explained, there are two possible implementations to

providing an LRU replacement feature for this list:

1. always rewrite it every time it is used, even on accesses. That is the

(surprise) implementation that IE8 on W7 is apparently using. Or,

2. have a string of 25 letters which represent the positions of each urln

item in their LRU order. That is the implementation that I can remember

seeing once used in XP (or it might even have been in IE5 on NT4).

Unfortunately I didn't check if it was still being used in XPsp3 when I had

IE8 on it.



So, the difference in the implementations might be seen in the both the

accesses and the saves done and perhaps even in the F4 display compared with

the TypedURLs list given by RegEdit. In particular if you only see urln

values and not one with a string of letters then in order to provide an LRU

replacement feature you would see url1* changed every time the TypedURLs

list is used, not just added to. The advantage of the second scheme is

efficiency (less registry accesses and writes) at the cost of complexity

(some people may not understand why it is being done that way).

* assuming position 1 is reserved to represent the most recently used typed

URL. So then the least recently used one--the one designated for

replacement when a new URL is added to a full list will always be the last,

url25.





HTH



Robert

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"Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message

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>

> "+Bob+" wrote in message

> news:5437q51ek19apaohq6a67qh22iljdulcn4@4ax.com...

>> On Fri, 19 Mar 2010 00:32:26 -0400, "Robert Aldwinckle"


>

>> OS is Vista, SP2, all updates installed though a few days ago.

>>

>> Seems like it's not writing the URL's to typedURL - except on some

>> random basis.

>>

>> I just did a Reset on IE and cleared everything. It went to

>> go.microtsoft.com automatically when I restarted it and that URL was

>> recorded in typedURLs.


>

>

> Why would something that happened automatically go into TypedURLs? In my

> experience (pre-W7) the only things that went in there were URLs which

> resulted in successful connections. E.g. typically no mistyping unless

> there really was a host name which matched that mistyping. In particular

> URLs which were entered using the Ctrl-o dialog didn't get put there. I

> just proved that is still the case with Ctrl-o www.edsel.com Enter.

>

>

>

>> I then visited some sites I was sure were not

>> in my history or favorites. Here's a list:

>>

>> www.ford.com, www.lotuscars.com, www.chrysler.com, www.hyundai.com,

>> www.example.com.


>

>

> Good examples!

>

>

>>

>> None of these URL's are in my favorites and this machine has never

>> been to chrysler or hyundai (keeping in mind that my history was

>> cleared too in the reset). I've may have been to the others in the

>> long past (uncertain, but keep in mind I cleared the history). Along

>> the way with this problem I've also used ccleaner to clear the other

>> MSIE schmegma so there should actually be no history anywhere of any

>> of these sites.

>>

>> Out of those URL's, only chryler.com and example.com were recorded in

>> typedURL's. Just for kicks, I changed one of the typedURL keys in

>> regedit and added another. They showed up just fine back in MSIE.


>

>

> That's bizarre. I was imagining that perhaps ones which did redirects

> wouldn't be there because there wouldn't be any completed connections with

> them. So, in that case both Chrysler and Hyundai would not have

> appeared,

> since they both redirect. Also what exactly is recorded there, your

> exact

> typing or the URL that is left in the Address bar after you press Enter?

> E.g. although I entered your examples exactly as you gave them each is

> enclosed within http:// and a trailing / in both the registry and in the

> F4 display under the Address bar.

>

>

>>

>> So, it seems that the mechanism that gets the "new" links to

>> typedURL's is not working.


>

>

> Remember I mentioned the possibility of there being two representations?

> Have you tried closing IE after each test? Or at least pressing F5 in

> RegEdit then as you are viewing (HKCU) TypedURLs?

>

> FWIW I'm on W7 and noticing what I think may be a new implementation.

> E.g.

> in XP I can remember that there was a special value which represented all

> of

> the entries by a letter--probably why the implementation was restricted to

> having only 25 entries and then that was used somehow in a replacement

> algorithm--perhaps a true LRU replacement scheme. I see no sign of that

> in

> W7. Instead what happens is that each time I enter a new URL in the

> Address bar it is assigned to url1 and all the others are re-numbered

> accordingly. Hence, no LRU possibility, just discarding whatever happens

> to be url25 at the time. Pity the poor person who wants to manage 26

> frequently used entries this way. OMG! I just realized that they

> could actually have a kind of LRU mechanism if they also rewrote

> everything

> not just as it was changed but as it was used. In fact, that seems to be

> what happens. Who knew? (Writing just the string of letters would be

> more efficient but perhaps someone didn't quite understand how it used to

> work.) ; }

>

> I have always been annoyed that it didn't save any javascript: fragments I

> would enter. That still seems to be true. But I can still do about:1

> about:2 ... about:25 to "clear" the TypedURLs. (Memories.) ; ) In

> any

> case, I saw all of your examples added one by one into my TypedURLs and I

> saw them reported (or more likely I suspect, mirrored) when I pressed F4

> in

> the IE Address bar. And as I mentioned when I actually used one it

> became

> number 1 and all the others were renumbered accordingly.

>

> BTW there is another possibility you could try. Turn off AutoComplete

> for

> the Address bar. New to IE8 that loses being able to press F4 and see

> the

> TypedURLs listed under the Address bar but instead what you could then do

> is

> press Ctrl-o CursorDown and see them all listed under the Open dialog's

> input box. ; )

>

> If you want you could trace whether TypedURLs is being updated

> consistently

> using ProcMon. I'll be interested in knowing if you have the old string

> of

> letters LRU mechanism or if you see the same update even on access

> implementation that I am seeing.

>

>

> HTH

>

> Robert

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> Standard MRU combo box algorithm.




So it's still there in Vista? Pardon for referring to it as LRU. That's

from the replacement perspective. MRU is from the (more common) access

perspective. Same idea, ordering the elements of a collection by frequency

of use.





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>

> "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote in message




>> I'll be interested in knowing if you have the old string of letters LRU

>> mechanism or if you see the same update even on access implementation

>> that I am seeing.
 
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