Accessing This Group without a NewsReader..?

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Hi,

My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless modems.

The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that

I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)



What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft

server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)



Xp home, SP2, fully patched.



Thanks
 
From: "achoo"



| Hi,

| My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless modems.

| The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

| Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that

| I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)



| What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft

| server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)



| Xp home, SP2, fully patched.



| Thanks



Using a news client is the "preferred" way to access this group but there are ways to use

a web browser such as IE and FireFox.



news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general



news://nntp.aioe.org/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general



--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
"achoo" wrote in message

news:OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Hi,

> My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless

> modems.

> The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

> Express.



I don't understand that statement.

The News server that this group is on is entirely independent of any ISP.





Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live Mail to access

Microsoft newsgroups

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm



Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live

Mail Newsreader

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx
 
On 10 Mar, 11:55, "Gordon" wrote:

> "achoo" wrote in message

>

> news:OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>

> > Hi,

> > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless

> > modems.

> > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

> > Express.

>

> I don't understand that statement.

> The News server that this group is on is entirely independent of any ISP.

>

> Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live Mail to access

> Microsoft newsgroupshttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

>

> Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live

> Mail Newsreaderhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx



What's wrong with what I do.... Just go to Google groups and pretty

well all of them are there!
 
achoo wrote:

> Hi,

> My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless

> modems.

> The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

> Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that

> I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)

>

> What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft

> server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)

>

> Xp home, SP2, fully patched.

>

> Thanks



I can see the WinXP General and Hardware groups here. This is the

web way to the groups.



http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...lt.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.general



http://www.microsoft.com/communitie...t.aspx?dg=microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware



*******



For a free news server, you can use aioe.org .

It allows posting of a limited number of text messages

per day, and has no authentication requirement. There

are a few other free news servers, where you have to set

up an account. You don't have to sign up or anything, to

use this. Binaries here are not supported. This isn't a site

for movie downloading or anything.



http://www.aioe.org/



nntp.aioe.org port 119 and others (I use port 119)



The AIOE server has some restrictions, on posted content.

You can't post the exact same message twice, because the

server compares the article checksum against previous

articles. You can't place too long a line in your posting.

Crossposting is limited as well.



If an article you post on AIOE is rejected, be careful to

edit the message and change at least one character in it,

so the message will not be rejected a second time because

it is identical to the previous one.



Paul
 
"achoo" wrote in message

news:OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> > snip

>

> Xp home, SP2, fully patched.



Your question has been answered in the other replies.



XP Home with SP2 is NOT "fully patched". Support for XP at the SP2

level ends on July 13 of this year....four months from now. After that

date, there will be no updates available for XP at that SP level, so

that computer will not receive any patches.



Unless it is updated to SP3, it will be open to any vulnerabilities

patched after that date.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/
 
"Pete L" wrote in message

news:09e2e581-4565-4061-a8b9-14bfa27f0205@x12g2000yqx.googlegroups.com...

> On 10 Mar, 11:55, "Gordon" wrote:

>> "achoo" wrote in message

>>

>> news:OPwDBZEwKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>

>> > Hi,

>> > My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless

>> > modems.

>> > The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

>> > Express.

>>

>> I don't understand that statement.

>> The News server that this group is on is entirely independent of any ISP.

>>

>> Setting up Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live Mail to access

>> Microsoft

>> newsgroupshttp://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

>>

>> Accessing the MS newsgroups in Outlook Express/Windows Mail/Windows Live

>> Mail

>> Newsreaderhttp://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone/newsgroupsetup.mspx

>

> What's wrong with what I do.... Just go to Google groups and pretty

> well all of them are there!



Many people block posters using Googlegroups because of spam and mostly

sheer idiocy.
 
"Paul" wrote in message

news:hn820p$2fs$2@speranza.aioe.org...

>

> For a free news server, you can use aioe.org .

> It allows posting of a limited number of text messages

> per day, and has no authentication requirement.



If the OP wants THIS group then he can subscribe direct to the MS news

server. No restrictions on numbers of posts per day there...
 
If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can

access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:



Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups

http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm



Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable web-interface:

http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx



Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that

date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any further

critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and Windows

Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.



What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



achoo wrote:

> Hi,

> My friend has finally got on the net using one of those usb-wireless

> modems.

> The company he uses doesnt have a server, so he cant even use Outlook

> Express. (I tried setting it up for him supplying the same details that

> I use;(not My actual details) he is not too computer literate.)

>

> What can he do to get access to this and other groups on the microsoft

> server? Is there a browser way-in? (he has FireFox)

>

> Xp home, SP2, fully patched.

>

> Thanks
 
In article , PABearMVP@gmail.com

says...

> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can

> access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:

>



Outlook Express is a EMAIL program that MS "ADDED" Usenet access to -

it's a crappy interface, always was, never will be good, only used by

noobs....



There are many real Usenet clients, free even...



Gravity is free, text based, even does UU-Encoding if you're into

downloading files, and it's not subject to the same problems that

Outhouse is.



--

You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little

voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.

Trust yourself.

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
Leythos wrote:



>Outlook Express is a EMAIL program that MS "ADDED" Usenet access to -

>it's a crappy interface, always was, never will be good, only used by

>noobs....

>

>There are many real Usenet clients, free even...

>

>Gravity is free, text based, even does UU-Encoding if you're into

>downloading files, and it's not subject to the same problems that

>Outhouse is.

>

>



Do you strongly recommend Gravity then?
 
In article , LD55ZRA@MAIL.COM says...

>

> Leythos wrote:

>

> >Outlook Express is a EMAIL program that MS "ADDED" Usenet access to -

> >it's a crappy interface, always was, never will be good, only used by

> >noobs....

> >

> >There are many real Usenet clients, free even...

> >

> >Gravity is free, text based, even does UU-Encoding if you're into

> >downloading files, and it's not subject to the same problems that

> >Outhouse is.

> >

> >

>

> Do you strongly recommend Gravity then?



I've been using it for a LONG time, maybe 10 years, when I had to buy

it, before it because OpenSource.



I like gravity because it shows the groups and threads in a manner that

I would naturally expect them to be - as well as allowing multiple

signatures on demand and it's FREE and very easy on resources.



One other benefit is the ability to export and import the setup/Usenet

counts on startup - since I have many computers, I have Gravity set to

export the NEWSRC file to a network share on exit, on start it imports

it, so this means I get the same read/unread from any computer in my

location, I don't have to see ones I've already read just because I'm on

a different computer.



--

You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little

voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.

Trust yourself.

spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
 
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can

> access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:

>

> Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups

> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

>

> Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable

> web-interface:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

>

> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After

> that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any

> further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and

> Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.

>

> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:

> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>



Thank to all replies, I have read them all including the ones under this

this post. (last one being leythos.)



If it is so, that he can use outlook, or any reader for that matter,

then it must have been me at fault when I tried to set-up the MS server

for him. Did manage to get to the Finish of adding this server, and it

did start to load the groups, but an error occured somewhere, then it

ceased. I will try again for him on next visit, then post back with

results. (Just one thing, what should I put in the field 'nntp' when

setting it up? I may have made an error there. Have never worked with

an i.s.p that doesnt have a server.)



Thanks
 
achoo wrote:



> If it is so, that he can use outlook...



Careful: Outlook and Outlook Express are not the same application! The

latter includes a newsreader; the former does not.
 
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and can

> access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:

>

> Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups

> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

>

> Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable

> web-interface:

> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

>

> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After

> that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be offered any

> further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will not work, and

> Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3 is installed.

>

> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:

> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>









Hi,



I forgot to mention that I set up a Gmail account for him, in case that

is relevant to anything.



Thanks
 
"achoo" wrote in message

news:%23ftANHMwKHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and

>> can access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:

>>

>> Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups

>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

>>

>> Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable

>> web-interface:

>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

>>

>> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010.

>> After that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be

>> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will

>> not work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3

>> is installed.

>>

>> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:

>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>

> Thank to all replies, I have read them all including the ones under

> this this post. (last one being leythos.)

>

> If it is so, that he can use outlook, or any reader for that matter,

> then it must have been me at fault when I tried to set-up the MS

> server for him. Did manage to get to the Finish of adding this server,

> and it did start to load the groups, but an error occured somewhere,

> then it ceased. I will try again for him on next visit, then post

> back with results. (Just one thing, what should I put in the field

> 'nntp' when setting it up? I may have made an error there. Have

> never worked with an i.s.p that doesnt have a server.)



Outlook Express....NOT Outlook.

The NNTP server is msnews.microsoft.com

It does not require the user to log on, so leave that box unchecked

during account setup.

Be sure to enter a fake email address or you will end up with a mailbox

full of spam.



You say an error occurred when downloading groups...what error? Provide

all error messages word for word.

--

Glen Ventura, MS MVP Oct. 2002 - Sept. 2009

A+

http://dts-l.net/
 
glee wrote:

> "achoo" wrote in message

> news:%23ftANHMwKHA.3896@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>>> If he's running WinXP, he's got a newsreader (Outlook Express) and

>>> can access the MS newsgroups via the free MS newsserver:

>>>

>>> Setting up Outlook Express to access Microsoft newsgroups

>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/outlookexpressnewreader.htm

>>>

>>> Or he can access the MS newsgroups via the clunky, unreliable

>>> web-interface:

>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/list/en-us/default.aspx

>>>

>>> Note: Extended Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010.

>>> After that date, computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 will NOT be

>>> offered any further critical security updates, Automatic Updates will

>>> not work, and Windows Update website will not be accessible until SP3

>>> is installed.

>>>

>>> What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?:

>>> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>>>

>>

>> Thank to all replies, I have read them all including the ones under

>> this this post. (last one being leythos.)

>>

>> If it is so, that he can use outlook, or any reader for that matter,

>> then it must have been me at fault when I tried to set-up the MS

>> server for him. Did manage to get to the Finish of adding this server,

>> and it did start to load the groups, but an error occured somewhere,

>> then it ceased. I will try again for him on next visit, then post

>> back with results. (Just one thing, what should I put in the field

>> 'nntp' when setting it up? I may have made an error there. Have

>> never worked with an i.s.p that doesnt have a server.)

>

> Outlook Express....NOT Outlook.

> The NNTP server is msnews.microsoft.com

> It does not require the user to log on, so leave that box unchecked

> during account setup.

> Be sure to enter a fake email address or you will end up with a mailbox

> full of spam.

>

> You say an error occurred when downloading groups...what error? Provide

> all error messages word for word.

---------------



Yes, I did use his Outlook Express, not Outlook. (have set-up many of

these myself.)

Perhaps I mis-spelled something in nntp, but at the finish button, it

did try to load the groups.

As for the error message, I honestly cant recall right now, but one

definately came up stating something similar to 'could not load groups'.

I had a gut feeling that he should have been able to get to the

microsoft server no matter what his i.s.p situation.

Will post back as soon as I have been at his computer.



Thanks
 
PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> achoo wrote:

>

>> If it is so, that he can use outlook...

>

> Careful: Outlook and Outlook Express are not the same application! The

> latter includes a newsreader; the former does not.





Yes, I understand. I am also glad from all reply posts that it is

possible for him to access the groups using any newsreader, just got to

make it so.



Thanks
 
achoo wrote:



> Yes, I understand. I am also glad from all reply posts that it is

> possible for him to access the groups using any newsreader, just got to

> make it so.



Here are a few clickable links for you. Each one will open the newsgroup in

the default newsreader (e.g., Outlook Express):



WinXP

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general



Internet Explorer

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.internetexplorer.general



Outlook Express

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.outlookexpress.general



Windows Update

news://msnews.microsoft.com/microsoft.public.windowsupdate



More here: http://aumha.org/nntp.htm

--

~PA Bear
 
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