XP SP2, end of support

[EW]

Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

instructions. Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3

installation does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old

machines? Thanks.

 

[Mint]

On May 15, 11:43 am, EW wrote:

> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July.  Damn.  I have an old

> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

> instructions.  Is it possible to upgrade to SP3?  I've tried but the SP3

> installation does not finish.  Is there any hope or info for these old

> machines?  Thanks.



Just download all the Security fixes now, while you can.

SP3 doesn't really add any new functionality.



Do you use a Disk Imaging Program?

If not, Macrium's Reflect is excellent.



Andy

 

[EW]

On 5/15/2010 11:46 AM, Mint wrote:

> On May 15, 11:43 am, EW wrote:

>> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

>> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

>> instructions. Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3

>> installation does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old

>> machines? Thanks.

>

> Just download all the Security fixes now, while you can.

> SP3 doesn't really add any new functionality.

>

> Do you use a Disk Imaging Program?

> If not, Macrium's Reflect is excellent.

>

> Andy



Thanks Andy. I guess there's no hope for my old SP2 system. Boo Hoo!

Regarding my imaging program, I use a 2002 version of Powerquest Drive

Image, which works well. And finally, while SP3 may not add any

functionality, I won't be able to get security updates for my computer

after July. That's the real issue.



EW

 

[Michael]

"EW" wrote in message

news:hsmivc$oj1$1@news.datemas.de...

> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type instructions.

> Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3 installation

> does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old machines?

> Thanks.



Do you receive any errors after the attempted installation? Have you tried

a manual download of SP3 and tried from that?



http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/bb794714.aspx



I have an old Gateway PII 450 that had no problem with SP3.

--





"Don't pick a fight with an old man.

If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you."

 

[Paul]

EW wrote:

> On 5/15/2010 11:46 AM, Mint wrote:

>> On May 15, 11:43 am, EW wrote:

>>> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

>>> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

>>> instructions. Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3

>>> installation does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old

>>> machines? Thanks.

>>

>> Just download all the Security fixes now, while you can.

>> SP3 doesn't really add any new functionality.

>>

>> Do you use a Disk Imaging Program?

>> If not, Macrium's Reflect is excellent.

>>

>> Andy

>

> Thanks Andy. I guess there's no hope for my old SP2 system. Boo Hoo!

> Regarding my imaging program, I use a 2002 version of Powerquest Drive

> Image, which works well. And finally, while SP3 may not add any

> functionality, I won't be able to get security updates for my computer

> after July. That's the real issue.

>

> EW

>



Download SP3.



http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...A8-5E76-401F-BE08-1E1555D4F3D4&displaylang=en



Slipstream with Nlite.



http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html



Burn a new install CD, using the output from NLite.

Now you have a WinXP SP3 CD.



Plug in a spare or new hard drive, by itself.

(Unplug the original drive, so no harm comes to it.)

Use your new install CD. Do a test install.

Does it work ? Did the system boot with WinXP SP3

installed from scratch ?



There are other issues with SP3, including

prerequisites. Look for old postings made

in this group, by the regulars, where they give

a list of links you should read. In particular,

there are issues with the version of IE being

used, and SP3.



This is just a sampling. There are more of these.



http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950717



Paul

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

> I've tried but the SP3 installation does not finish.



What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your

subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than Defender)?

What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications running

in the background when you attempted to install SP3?



Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the

computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you bought

it)?



How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718



WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx



Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

US$59 or higher per incident now.



Note: Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that date,

computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 "will no longer receive software updates

from Windows Update" (i.e., Automatic Updates will not work and Windows

Update website will not be accessible) until SP3 is installed.



. What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002



EW wrote:

> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

> instructions. Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3

> installation does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old

> machines? Thanks.

 

[DrTeeth]

On Sat, 15 May 2010 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), just as I was about to take

a herb, Mint disturbed my reverie and

wrote:



>If not, Macrium's Reflect is excellent.



It's better than that! I actually enjoy backing up now. Used to use a

very good product, but whose GUI sucked big time and so did the

documentation.

--



Cheers,



DrT



** Stress - the condition brought about by having to

** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights

** out of someone who richly deserves it.

 

[Chuck]

On 5/15/2010 2:16 PM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>> I've tried but the SP3 installation does not finish.

>

> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your

> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than

> Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these

> applications running in the background when you attempted to install SP3?

>

> Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the

> computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you

> bought it)?

>

> How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718

>

> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

>

>

> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>

> Note: Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that date,

> computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 "will no longer receive software

> updates from Windows Update" (i.e., Automatic Updates will not work and

> Windows Update website will not be accessible) until SP3 is installed.

>

> . What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>



This is gonna get messy!

A lot of people have XP SP3 installed, and install & Recovery CD's for

the versions from RTM on. Many of the P/C OEMs refer past retail

customers to Microsoft for support, claiming that windows is a

"passthru", and they only support their hardware, if even that. Some

users,like me, obtained the XP CDs directly from Microsoft via non

retail channels. Beyond that, XP SP 3 & possibly XP SP2 were sold at

retail on such things as netbooks and laptops within the last year.



Failure to support or withdrawing support is getting dangerously close

to placing XP in the "abandonware" category.

 

[Mint]

On May 15, 7:54 pm, Chuck wrote:

> On 5/15/2010 2:16 PM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>

>

>

> >> I've tried but the SP3 installation does not finish.

>

> > What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your

> > subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than

> > Defender)? What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these

> > applications running in the background when you attempted to install SP3?

>

> > Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the

> > computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you

> > bought it)?

>

> > How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3

> >http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718

>

> > WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

> >http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp...

>

> > Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

> > available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

> > US$59 or higher per incident now.

>

> > Note: Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that date,

> > computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 "will no longer receive software

> > updates from Windows Update" (i.e., Automatic Updates will not work and

> > Windows Update website will not be accessible) until SP3 is installed.

>

> > . What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

> >http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-supp...

>

> This is gonna get messy!

> A lot of people have XP SP3 installed, and install & Recovery CD's for

> the versions from RTM on. Many of the P/C OEMs refer past retail

> customers to Microsoft for support, claiming that windows is a

> "passthru", and they only support their hardware, if even that.  Some

> users,like me, obtained the XP CDs directly from Microsoft via non

> retail channels. Beyond that, XP SP 3 & possibly XP SP2 were sold at

> retail on such things as netbooks and laptops within the last year.

>

> Failure to support or withdrawing support is getting dangerously close

> to placing XP in the "abandonware" category.



With Sp3, they fixed most of the major problems.



90% of people I know use XP, so it's far from abandonware in terms of

consumer use.



Take care,

Andy

 

[Mint]

On May 15, 6:23 pm, DrTeeth wrote:

> On Sat, 15 May 2010 09:46:49 -0700 (PDT), just as I was about to take

> a herb, Mint disturbed my reverie and

> wrote:

>

> >If not, Macrium's Reflect is excellent.

>

> It's better than that! I actually enjoy backing up now. Used to use a

> very good product, but whose GUI sucked big time and so did the

> documentation.

> --

>

> Cheers,

>

> DrT

>

> ** Stress - the condition brought about by having to

> ** resist the temptation to beat the living daylights

> ** out of someone who richly deserves it.



Glad you like it.



I like your definition of stress.



Andy

 

[hello@goodbye.com]

On Sat, 15 May 2010 12:02:01 -0500, EW

wrote:



>On 5/15/2010 11:46 AM, Mint wrote:

>> On May 15, 11:43 am, EW wrote:

>>> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

>>> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

>>> instructions. Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3

>>> installation does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old

>>> machines? Thanks.

>>

>> Just download all the Security fixes now, while you can.

>> SP3 doesn't really add any new functionality.

>>

>> Do you use a Disk Imaging Program?

>> If not, Macrium's Reflect is excellent.

>>

>> Andy

>

>Thanks Andy. I guess there's no hope for my old SP2 system. Boo Hoo!

>Regarding my imaging program, I use a 2002 version of Powerquest Drive

>Image, which works well. And finally, while SP3 may not add any

>functionality, I won't be able to get security updates for my computer

>after July. That's the real issue.

>

>EW



Dude.... THE END IS NEAR. Once MS pulls the plug, SP2 will be gone

forever. No one on planet Earth has it on CD. No other website has

it. MS controls everything we do, Our survival on this planet is

determined by MS. In fact at any moment they could shut off all the

oxygen and we would all die in minutes. Hell, if MS wants to, they

can shut down all the stores and we would not have any food, and shut

down all electrical systems and phone systems, and even stop our

supply of oil. MS controls EVERYTHING !!! MS has more power than GOD

himself !!!!



And, jsut so you know, MS can see and hear EVERYTHING you do. (evne

when your computer is shut off). NEVER say anything bad about Bill

Gates or Microsoft, or they'll send out guys with guns to kill you and

burn down your home. If that isn't bad enough, if you pirate any MS

software, you're entire neighborhood will be exterminated by MS with

nuclear weapons, and after you die, Bill Gates will send you to hell

for eternity.



The worst thing anyone could ever do, is call Bill Gates a nasty name,

while asking for a pirated copy of Windows on this newsgroup. Do

that, and MS will destroy this newsgroup, guaranteed !!!!

 

[EW]

PA Bear.....



I have NOTHING on my system when I try to go SP3. No firewall, no AV

software (although the system has been scanned by Malwarebytes several

times), nothing! As I said, the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU may

be causing this, according to some web comments.



No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is expendable since

it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II with 350 MHz).



Thanks





On 5/15/2010 1:16 PM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

>

>> I've tried but the SP3 installation does not finish.

>

> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your

 

[EW]

On 5/15/2010 12:12 PM, Michael wrote:

>





>

> I have an old Gateway PII 450 that had no problem with SP3.





Hmmmmm.... interesting. Mine is a Gateway PII 350. Maybe I should just

keep trying.... or something.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

If you don't have an AV app installed:



=> I'd very much doubt you'd be able to install SP3 unless you've formatted

the HDD & then done a clean install.



=> You don't worry about keeping your WinXP box fully-patched and your

personal data (e.g., online banking/credit card PWs, etc.) secure.





EW wrote:

> I have NOTHING on my system when I try to go SP3. No firewall, no AV

> software (although the system has been scanned by Malwarebytes several

> times), nothing! As I said, the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU may

> be causing this, according to some web comments.

>

> No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is expendable since

> it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II with 350 MHz).

>



PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

> What anti-virus application or security suite is installed and is your

> subscription current? What anti-spyware applications (other than

> Defender)?

> What third-party firewall (if any)? Were any of these applications

> running

> in the background when you attempted to install SP3?

>

> Has a(another) Norton or McAfee application ever been installed on the

> computer (e.g., a free-trial version that came preinstalled when you

> bought

> it)?

>

> How to troubleshoot an unsuccessful installation of WinXP SP3

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/950718

>

> WinXP SP3 - Read all prerequisites for a successful installation

> http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldro...requisites-for-a-successful-installation.aspx

>

> Free unlimited installation and compatibility support for WinXP SP3 was

> available from 14 April 2008 thru May 2009. Such support will cost you

> US$59 or higher per incident now.

>

> Note: Support for WinXP (x86) SP2 ends on 13 July 2010. After that date,

> computers running WinXP (x86) SP2 "will no longer receive software updates

> from Windows Update" (i.e., Automatic Updates will not work and Windows

> Update website will not be accessible) until SP3 is installed.

>

> . What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?

>

> http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/help/what-does-end-of-support-mean

>

> EW wrote:

>> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

>> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not support SSE type

>> instructions. Is it possible to upgrade to SP3? I've tried but the SP3

>> installation does not finish. Is there any hope or info for these old

>> machines? Thanks.

 

[Twayne]

In news:hsmivc$oj1$1@news.datemas.de,

EW typed:

> Microsoft will discontinue XP SP2 support in July. Damn. I have an old

> Pentium II machine whose Intel CPU does not

> support SSE type instructions. Is it possible to upgrade

> to SP3? I've tried but the SP3 installation does not

> finish. Is there any hope or info for these old machines? Thanks.



Yes, it will work. SP3 has a few gotchas though, and all are listed at the

MS site under prerequisites and the how to install. Most people that have

trouble simply haven't read them. If you can't find them, ask; someone here

will gladly look them up for you, I'm sure.



HTH,



Twayne`

 

[Daave]

Inline.



EW wrote:

> PA Bear.....

>

> I have NOTHING on my system when I try to go SP3. No firewall, no AV

> software (although the system has been scanned by Malwarebytes several

> times), nothing! As I said, the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU

> may be causing this, according to some web comments.



I doubt very much that "the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU" has

anything to do with your inability to upgrade to SP3! But feel free to

post a link to what you discovered on the Web as I am interested in

reading it.



> No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is expendable since

> it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II with 350 MHz).



There *should* be worries. After July, you will no longer be able to

install the latest XP security patches and your PC will become

vulnerable. If you ever enter user names, passwords, or sensitive

personal/financial information, you risk identity theft and your PC is

also more likely to become part of the "botnet."



Look at PA Bear's post again. It contains links to everything you need

to successfully install SP3.

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Daave wrote:

> Inline.

>

> EW wrote:

>> PA Bear.....

>>

>> I have NOTHING on my system when I try to go SP3. No firewall, no AV

>> software (although the system has been scanned by Malwarebytes several

>> times), nothing! As I said, the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU

>> may be causing this, according to some web comments.

>

> I doubt very much that "the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU" has

> anything to do with your inability to upgrade to SP3! But feel free to

> post a link to what you discovered on the Web as I am interested in

> reading it.

>

>> No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is expendable since

>> it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II with 350 MHz).

>

> There *should* be worries. After July, you will no longer be able to

> install the latest XP security patches and your PC will become

> vulnerable. If you ever enter user names, passwords, or sensitive

> personal/financial information, you risk identity theft and your PC is

> also more likely to become part of the "botnet."

>

> Look at PA Bear's post again. It contains links to everything you need

> to successfully install SP3.



....unless it's infested with malware.

 

[Twayne]

In news:e1Q2r6c9KHA.5848@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,

Daave typed:

> Inline.

>

> EW wrote:

>> PA Bear.....

>>

>> I have NOTHING on my system when I try to go SP3. No

>> firewall, no AV software (although the system has been

>> scanned by Malwarebytes several times), nothing! As I

>> said, the lack of SSE instructions on my CPU may be

>> causing this, according to some web comments.

>

> I doubt very much that "the lack of SSE instructions on my

> CPU" has anything to do with your inability to upgrade to

> SP3! But feel free to post a link to what you discovered on

> the Web as I am interested in reading it.

>

>> No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is

>> expendable since it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II

>> with 350 MHz).

>

> There *should* be worries. After July, you will no longer

> be able to install the latest XP security patches and your

> PC will become vulnerable. If you ever enter user names,

> passwords, or sensitive personal/financial information, you

> risk identity theft and your PC is also more likely to

> become part of the "botnet."

> Look at PA Bear's post again. It contains links to

> everything you need to successfully install SP3.



Mmm, not necessarily. The spammers/scammers will follow where the majority

of users are and if everyone switches to SP3/IE8, that's where their

concentration will be. SP2 with all its updates is already a pretty stable

OS and the newer threats will be aimed at the SP3 crowd (second to the

totally unprotected crowd, which is huge).

With AV and a good firewall setup and spyware detectors those who stopped

at SP2 are unlikely to see many problems, as long as you neglect things like

financial institutions and places that carry sensitive data.



HTH,



Twayne`

 

[Twayne]

In news:exVWyhe9KHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,

....



>>

>>> No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is

>>> expendable since it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II

>>> with 350 MHz).



The problem there is the machine; no way to get a good experience with that

hardware unless it's a case of not knowing what's being missed out on, which

is possible.

>>

>> There *should* be worries. After July, you will no longer

>> be able to install the latest XP security patches and your

>> PC will become vulnerable. If you ever enter user names,

>> passwords, or sensitive personal/financial information,

>> you risk identity theft and your PC is also more likely to

>> become part of the "botnet."



Nah, not so any differently than it is today. With firewall, AV and malware

scanners things like botnets et al are no worry anyway. Equating end of

support as end of security is stoopid.

They said the same thing about win98 when it was replaced by XP. My win98

gets ZERO problems with botnets, viruses, or any malware period. Even

drive-by traffic won't stop to look at it! But it's still sitting there,

chunking along 24/7 for the last almost a decade now, doing its job

perfectly and without interruption. It was stable when support ended, and

still is. "Support" has little to do with a machine's Security and those who

depend on it to keep them safe are usually severely disappointed. "Support"

at this point is nearly meaningless and the vast majority of support "fixes"

going out today are for things that have never been seen in the wild; they

were simply found by a few engineers with nothing else to do.



The win98 machine is in a different room, but right behind me I have a Dell

dual-Xeon cpu Server box with win 2000 Pro on it. Would you believe it

still gets updates? Would you believe the win98 box even gets an occasional

update offered to it?

Critical fixes, when known attacks are in progress, are indeed issued

for previous versions when they're known to fix the same problem on the, are

indeed still sent out for those versions, regardless of the support

department status. The most recent update received on the Dell dual xeon

win2k machine was day before yesterday; the win98 machine, sometime before

last X-mas, not sure just when anymore. The Dell isn't on 24/7 so I don't

know the actual date of when the update arrived here, but it was within the

last week or so.



Let's get real about these things and off the gloom & doom of the world

through a poser's eyes.



>>

>> Look at PA Bear's post again. It contains links to

>> everything you need to successfully install SP3.

>



I believe that's true.



HTH,



Twayne`

 

[Doug W.]

"Twayne" wrote in message

news:e5TpIxq9KHA.5412@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

> In news:exVWyhe9KHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl,

> ...

>

>>>

>>>> No worries: I'll just stay with SP2. This machine is

>>>> expendable since it was made in the Dark Ages (Pentium II

>>>> with 350 MHz).

>

> The problem there is the machine; no way to get a good

> experience with that hardware unless it's a case of not

> knowing what's being missed out on, which is possible.

>>>

>>> There *should* be worries. After July, you will no longer

>>> be able to install the latest XP security patches and your

>>> PC will become vulnerable. If you ever enter user names,

>>> passwords, or sensitive personal/financial information,

>>> you risk identity theft and your PC is also more likely to

>>> become part of the "botnet."

>

> Nah, not so any differently than it is today. With firewall,

> AV and malware scanners things like botnets et al are no worry

> anyway. Equating end of support as end of security is stoopid.

> They said the same thing about win98 when it was replaced by

> XP. My win98 gets ZERO problems with botnets, viruses, or any

> malware period. Even drive-by traffic won't stop to look at

> it! But it's still sitting there, chunking along 24/7 for the

> last almost a decade now, doing its job perfectly and without

> interruption. It was stable when support ended, and still is.

> "Support" has little to do with a machine's Security and those

> who depend on it to keep them safe are usually severely

> disappointed. "Support" at this point is nearly meaningless

> and the vast majority of support "fixes" going out today are

> for things that have never been seen in the wild; they were

> simply found by a few engineers with nothing else to do.

>

> The win98 machine is in a different room, but right behind me

> I have a Dell dual-Xeon cpu Server box with win 2000 Pro on

> it. Would you believe it still gets updates? Would you

> believe the win98 box even gets an occasional update offered

> to it?

> Critical fixes, when known attacks are in progress, are

> indeed issued for previous versions when they're known to fix

> the same problem on the, are indeed still sent out for those

> versions, regardless of the support department status. The

> most recent update received on the Dell dual xeon win2k

> machine was day before yesterday; the win98 machine, sometime

> before last X-mas, not sure just when anymore. The Dell isn't

> on 24/7 so I don't know the actual date of when the update

> arrived here, but it was within the last week or so.

>

> Let's get real about these things and off the gloom & doom of

> the world through a poser's eyes.

>

>>>

>>> Look at PA Bear's post again. It contains links to

>>> everything you need to successfully install SP3.

>>

>

> I believe that's true.

>

> HTH,

>

> Twayne`

>

==

Anyone who doesn't install SP3 is dumber than a sack of salt.

==