Dan; Thanks for coming back in on this....as you can gather, I am not well
schooled in this area so I must proceed carefully so as not to create other
issues.
I certainly am not capable of entering\creating a String.....so are you
saying a choice will be offered to set it back to IE\W7 Default String?
The Tool will let me to just remove the Creative Updater....?
Of these two, which is the best?
Are you saying to download the Tool\add-on....or use the...which would seem
to be a little careless since you would have no control over what is taking
place......
"Install UAPick (114kb)
Hint: Want a silent / unattended install? Use the command line:
UAPickSetup.exe /S"
When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
file that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a entry
in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and loads it
into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that allows you
to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its new
form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you can
Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know anything I
install on my PC can be removed.
Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me...I realize I am asking
a lot of questions and taking up a lot of your time.....but it is very much
appreciated. I want to do it ...right the first time.
"Dan" wrote:
>
> "denmarfl" wrote in message
> news:36CBAAED-2CFA-4FF6-A28C-40D30498B679@microsoft.com...
> > Unchecked Creative AutoUpdater....in my MsConfig\Startup...re-started
> > computer.....that did not remove Creative AutoUpdater from the User-Agent
> > String. I believe it was Dan's reply that read deleting Unchecking or
> > deleting Creative AutoUpdater would not remove it from the User-Agent
> > String.
>
> All you've done is stopped it from starting - as Rob said you need to
> uninstall it, not just disable it. Uninstalling it probably will remove it,
> but there's no guarantee.
>
> > Surely if not the UAPick Tool, there must be a way to Delete Creative
> > AutoUpdater....from from User-Agent String. I am willing to use the Tool
> > if
> > I knew more about how it works....which is why I asked all those questions
> > in
> > my last reply. With the right knowledge, I know I can use the tool, or
> > for
> > that matter any other tool...or process....and get Creative
> > AutoUpdater..off
> > my User-Agent String
>
> Editing the UA string is not a simple matter - the UA pick too is one of the
> easy options. There's a link on the link I gave you that goes here:
>
> http://www.enhanceie.com/ietoys/uapick.asp
>
> with easy to follow steps on how to use the UAPick too to change the UA
> string. There really isn't anything more to it - you either pick a
> pre-defined string, enter your own edited one, or switch it back to the
> default. The plugin does all the work of modifying the appropriate registry
> entries.
>
> If you're sure you don't need Creative Updater, just uninstall it. There's
> no point having applications running if they're not being used for anything.
> But something must have installed that application, it doesn't come with
> Windows by default and I've never seen it on any system I've had to support
> yet.
>
> Dan
>
> > "rob^_^" wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Denmarfl,
> >>
> >> Just uninstall Creative AutoUpdater (do not delete it) and be done with
> >> it....
> >> If after you uninstall it, and reboot your computer, the string is still
> >> in
> >> your UserAgent string then contact the web site and ask for a fix.
> >> Actually, try unchecking the entry in your startup list in msconfig and
> >> then
> >> restart your computer and retest your UserAgent string to see if it has
> >> removed it.
> >>
> >> The last time I saw a Creative product was at least 5 years ago for a
> >> sound
> >> card... I doubt that what you have is even compatible with a Win7 machine
> >> as
> >> hardware firmware updates are controlled from the MS Updates, not the
> >> vendors websites.
> >>
> >> The real fault for your issues lies with the Programmers of the Walmart
> >> site... UserAgent sniffing is not the standard way of detecting mobile
> >> device web browsers.
> >>
> >> Walmart probably outsource their web site resources, so complaining to
> >> them
> >> would probably be fruitless also...
> >>
> >> UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher is a programmers tool that in the wrong hands
> >> may
> >> cause excessive confusion and frustration.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >> "denmarfl" wrote in message
> >> news:C7F15D40-9735-4FA2-A807-059AA798436B@microsoft.com...
> >> > As you probably gathered, I have limited computer knowledge....
> >> >
> >> > When I click on the UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher....does it download a
> >> > file
> >> > that you can save to your desktop and then Install the add-on?
> >> >
> >> > Does the add-on Install like any other software, that is, it creates a
> >> > entry
> >> > in ALL PROGRAMS to start it running?
> >> >
> >> > When UAPick starts it goes out and finds the User-Agent String and
> >> > loads
> >> > it
> >> > into the software....as I would have no idea where to find it on my PC?
> >> >
> >> > I would then, to make it simple for me just delete the Creative
> >> > AutoUpdater...I am guessing the UAPick was an editior feature that
> >> > allows
> >> > you
> >> > to delete as much as you want out of the string and then save it in its
> >> > new
> >> > form????? How do you edit it with this add-on?
> >> >
> >> > Lastly, like any other software, it has its own Uninstaller, or, you
> >> > can
> >> > Uninstall it using W7 Program & features. I always like to know
> >> > anything
> >> > I
> >> > install on my PC can be removed.
> >> >
> >> > From an educational standpoint, why would Creative Auto Updater be
> >> > added
> >> > to
> >> > the User-Agent String? This sting just keeps getting longer as you
> >> > download
> >> > certain types of software??? so it can get quite long? Or was this
> >> > jsut
> >> > some sort of an error, that is, Creative AutoUpdater getting added to
> >> > the
> >> > string?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for being patient with me and....teaching me.
> >> > "Dan" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> "denmarfl" wrote in message
> >> >> news:8262338C-D481-47FA-BF68-385909961A84@microsoft.com...
> >> >> > You guys are good...and quick. Why wouldn't this impact all sites I
> >> >> > go
> >> >> > to....why just the Walmart Site?
> >> >>
> >> >> Because not all sites look for the 3 letters "pda" in the UA string
> >> >> and
> >> >> redirect to a different site if they find them. None of the sites I've
> >> >> built
> >> >> do so, and if I did set up a site with mobile specific content I'd
> >> >> certainly
> >> >> not base the entire thing on looking for a string of 3 letters that
> >> >> might
> >> >> crop up inside a longer word ...
> >> >>
> >> >> > I wonder if I delete the Creative Updater from P&F if it will
> >> >> > resolve
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > Issue?
> >> >>
> >> >> Doubt it.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I do see Creative Updater in my Msconfig Startup lists; I wonder if
> >> >> > I
> >> >> > should
> >> >> > uncheck it?
> >> >>
> >> >> Leave it running. Use the UAPick tool to just remove it from the UA
> >> >> string,
> >> >> and all will be well.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Also, I do wonder why after W7 started following my
> >> >> > Upgrade\Repair...why
> >> >> > this Creative Updater was automatically installed....what triggered
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > and
> >> >> > why I was given a Choice.
> >> >>
> >> >> No idea - you must have something installed that uses it, soundcard
> >> >> drivers
> >> >> perhaps? I certainly don't have it on my Windows 7 based PC at home,
> >> >> but
> >> >> I'm
> >> >> using an nVidia based board with Realtek audio and no Creative
> >> >> software
> >> >> at
> >> >> all.
> >> >>
> >> >> Dan
> >> >>
> >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "denmarfl" wrote in message
> >> >> >> news:88DC9239-8BF6-411B-9678-AF871CE32459@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> > When I clicked on the link you provided I got "Page Not
> >> >> >> > Found"....I
> >> >> >> > then
> >> >> >> > copied and pasted the Link into the address bar....and the page
> >> >> >> > opened:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Odd. The link is fine, as you proved by copy-and-paste. Sounds like
> >> >> >> your
> >> >> >> news reader messed up the link ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
> >> >> >> > SLCC2;
> >> >> >> > .NET
> >> >> >> > CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media
> >> >> >> > Center
> >> >> >> > PC
> >> >> >> > 6.0;
> >> >> >> > Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1; Creative AutoUpdate
> >> >> >> > v1.40.01)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> As Rob has pointed out, and I'd already assumed would be the case,
> >> >> >> Creative
> >> >> >> AutoUpdate is causing this. If you don't want to remove the
> >> >> >> software,
> >> >> >> use
> >> >> >> the UAPick software to change the string to
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0;
> >> >> >> SLCC2;
> >> >> >> .NET
> >> >> >> CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center
> >> >> >> PC
> >> >> >> 6.0;
> >> >> >> Media Center PC 5.0; MS-RTC LM 8; SLCC1
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You could also maybe make it a little shorter, long UA strings can
> >> >> >> cause
> >> >> >> problems with some sites. Just make sure you retain the closing
> >> >> >> parentheses,
> >> >> >> and that you keep a single semi-colon between each entry inside the
> >> >> >> parentheses. Also make sure you keep it to at least the following:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/4.0
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> as this identifies the browser as IE8, your version of Windows as
> >> >> >> Windows
> >> >> >> 7
> >> >> >> (it's actually version 6.1!), and that it uses the Trident 4 layout
> >> >> >> engine
> >> >> >> and is used to identify IE8 in IE7 Compatibility Mode.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dan
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > "Dan" wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> He was implying you should install this:
> >> >> >> >> http://www.ieaddons.com/en/details/other/UAPick_UserAgent_Switcher/
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> However, I'd suggest not doing that right away. Go to
> >> >> >> >> http://whatsmyuseragent.com/ and copy and paste the red string
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> see
> >> >> >> >> near
> >> >> >> >> the top of that page into a reply here. That way we can see what
> >> >> >> >> IE
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> using
> >> >> >> >> for it's user agent string - this is how sites identify what the
> >> >> >> >> browser
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> and what options are enabled.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> As Robert stated in his reply, there's likely something in the
> >> >> >> >> user
> >> >> >> >> agent
> >> >> >> >> that the Walmart site thinks means it's a mobile browser. For
> >> >> >> >> instance,
> >> >> >> >> on
> >> >> >> >> Feb 7 someone else posted about their IE8 being treated as a
> >> >> >> >> mobile
> >> >> >> >> browser,
> >> >> >> >> and it was noted that he had Creative AutoUpdate listed in his
> >> >> >> >> user
> >> >> >> >> agent
> >> >> >> >> string and the letters "pda" were being interpreted by the site
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> meaning
> >> >> >> >> it was a pda device so was displaying the mobile version of the
> >> >> >> >> site.
> >> >> >> >> It's
> >> >> >> >> sloppy coding on the part of the site, but to work around it you
> >> >> >> >> will
> >> >> >> >> need
> >> >> >> >> to remove the identifying string from your user agent but also
> >> >> >> >> make
> >> >> >> >> sure
> >> >> >> >> it's valid, so if you post your current user agent string in a
> >> >> >> >> reply
> >> >> >> >> here
> >> >> >> >> we
> >> >> >> >> can tell you what to change it to using the UAPick tool from the
> >> >> >> >> link
> >> >> >> >> above.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Dan
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" wrote in message
> >> >> >> >> news
898FAFF-6DAF-4179-B127-3B25C2AAD040@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> > Thanks....but I don't understand what you are advsing me to
> >> >> >> >> > do.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > "Robert Aldwinckle" wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> "denmarfl" wrote in
> >> >> >> >> >> message
> >> >> >> >> >> news:9BCAB0EB-B0EE-444C-9359-44E33AD3D9D2@microsoft.com...
> >> >> >> >> >> > W7 Home prem 32bit; IE8