Win XP Backup

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I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an external

hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5 minutes.



I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have never

seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people use it.

I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions about it which

are not quite clear.



One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows it

will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one restore

from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some crash which

makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?



It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup. I'm

afraid this bit confuses me.

What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the

folders. Which one would I use?



None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description on

Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.



Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.
 
Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.



I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked back.



Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17 minutes.

Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does the

restore



Jim

"joe" wrote in message

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> win xp pro sp3

>

> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an

> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5

> minutes.

>

> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have

> never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people

> use it. I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions

> about it which are not quite clear.

>

> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows

> it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one

> restore from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some crash

> which makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?

>

> It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup. I'm

> afraid this bit confuses me.

> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the

> folders. Which one would I use?

>

> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description

> on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>

> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.

>

>

>
 
While Acronis is a good choice, NTBACKUP is a great utility, and always

works flawlessly on every computer I have ever used it on.

You only need the installation cd if you are restoring your entire system.

It is not needed to perform the backup.

You do not need a floppy drive IF your system will boot from the

installation CD, as most newer computers do.



Best part of ntbackup, it is FREE and already installed on your XP pro

computer.





"Jim" wrote in message

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> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

>

> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked back.

>

> Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17 minutes.

> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does the

> restore

>

> Jim

> "joe" wrote in message

> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> win xp pro sp3

>>

>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an

>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5

>> minutes.

>>

>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have

>> never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people

>> use it. I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions

>> about it which are not quite clear.

>>

>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows

>> it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one

>> restore from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some

>> crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?

>>

>> It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup.

>> I'm afraid this bit confuses me.

>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the

>> folders. Which one would I use?

>>

>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description

>> on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>>

>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>
 
In news:evQH9VopKHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,

M. Murphy typed:

> While Acronis is a good choice, NTBACKUP is a great utility, and

> always works flawlessly on every computer I have ever used it on.

> You only need the installation cd if you are restoring your entire

> system. It is not needed to perform the backup.

> You do not need a floppy drive IF your system will boot from the

> installation CD, as most newer computers do.

>

> Best part of ntbackup, it is FREE and already installed on your XP pro

> computer.

>

>

> "Jim" wrote in message

> news:%23wprXSopKHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

>>

>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked

>> back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17

>> minutes.

>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does

>> the restore

>>

>> Jim

>> "joe" wrote in message

>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> win xp pro sp3

>>>

>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an

>>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes

>>> about 5 minutes.

>>>

>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and

>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how

>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a

>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.

>>>

>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this

>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions

>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If

>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup

>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential

>>> backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.

>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each

>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?

>>>

>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the

>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>>>

>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be

>>> appreciated.



Ahh, THAT is what the reference to the CD was in another post. I assume

you're talking about booting the XP disk and using ntbackup from there? I

was't aware you could do that because it's compressed, as in ntbackup.ex_ on

my XP disk, meaning you couldn't run it from there. It has to be run thru

the expand.exe to make it usable.

It's a simple matter to boot from the ASR floppy if you have a floppy

drive; you just boot, tell it where the restore files reside, and go.

How would you do it using the CD? I'm curious because that would solve a

lot of problems for people who don't want to spend the $10 to add a floppy

drive if they don't have one.



I do agree with you that ntbackup.exe is a fully functional, capable and

reliable backup program. I used it for a long time before I purchases

imaging software. In fact, I still use it to back up the System State now

and then. SS is close to a registry backup but also includes all the boot

files, etc., needed to be able to boot the computer up. I back up the SS

whenever I make major changes to HW or SW.



Regards,



Twayne`









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Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

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part of the moral tissue.
 
"Twayne" wrote in message

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> In news:evQH9VopKHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,



> I do agree with you that ntbackup.exe is a fully functional, capable and

> reliable backup program. I used it for a long time before I purchases

> imaging software. In fact, I still use it to back up the System State now

> and then. SS is close to a registry backup but also includes all the boot

> files, etc., needed to be able to boot the computer up. I back up the SS

> whenever I make major changes to HW or SW.



Can this "fully functional, capable and reliable backup program" be used to

restore selected files onto a WXP home system a Win7 system, or from a

UBCD4WIN or similar PEBuilder type boot disk with a thumbdrive holding the

actual program to do the restore? What programs would have to be put on the

thumb drive to do this?



-Paul Randall
 
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Paul Randall typed:

> "Twayne" wrote in message

> news:OGJ$r8opKHA.4648@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> In news:evQH9VopKHA.3912@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl,

>

>> I do agree with you that ntbackup.exe is a fully functional, capable

>> and reliable backup program. I used it for a long time before I

>> purchases imaging software. In fact, I still use it to back up the

>> System State now and then. SS is close to a registry backup but also

>> includes all the boot files, etc., needed to be able to boot the

>> computer up. I back up the SS whenever I make major changes to HW

>> or SW.

>

> Can this "fully functional, capable and reliable backup program" be

> used to restore selected files onto a WXP home system a Win7 system,

> or from a UBCD4WIN or similar PEBuilder type boot disk with a

> thumbdrive holding the actual program to do the restore? What

> programs would have to be put on the thumb drive to do this?

>

> -Paul Randall



Umm, no, pretty unlikely. That's why most systems come with their own backup

utility: There isn't much backward compatability between different systems

backup programs. No matter what you used to backup XP or win 7, there would

be issues with trying to Restore to a different OS. For instance, XP's boot

disk isn't going to work for win 7 and vice-versa so full recovery is

impossible right away.

You're probably better off using win7's transfer cable to get things from

XP/win7, and the Transfer wizard, but I've never tried it. Win 7 does claim

to be able to get data from an active XP machine.

But that's not restoring from a backup, either, which is what you wanted.



HTH,



Twayne









--

--

Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

through personal experience does not become a

part of the moral tissue.
 
"Jim" wrote in message

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> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

>

> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked back.

>

> Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17 minutes.

> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does the

> restore

>

> Jim

> "joe" wrote in message

> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> win xp pro sp3

>>

>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an

>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes about 5

>> minutes.

>>

>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and have

>> never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how many people

>> use it. I am curious how well it works and have a couple of questions

>> about it which are not quite clear.

>>

>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this shows

>> it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions could one

>> restore from this type of backup and does it work? If there is some

>> crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup be used?

>>

>> It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential backup.

>> I'm afraid this bit confuses me.

>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each of the

>> folders. Which one would I use?

>>

>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the description

>> on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>>

>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be appreciated.

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required any

installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files required. So far

I've been quite happy with the feature/software.

I have Win XP sp3.



Edna.
 
In news:0B0225F2-C70C-48EF-BF02-FC85F2683C24@microsoft.com,

TimeLady typed:

> "Jim" wrote in message

> news:#wprXSopKHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

>>

>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked

>> back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17

>> minutes.

>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does

>> the restore

>>

>> Jim

>> "joe" wrote in message

>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>> win xp pro sp3

>>>

>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an

>>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes

>>> about 5 minutes.

>>>

>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and

>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how

>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a

>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.

>>>

>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this

>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions

>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If

>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup

>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential

>>> backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.

>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each

>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?

>>>

>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the

>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>>>

>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be

>>> appreciated.

>>

>>

>>

> Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required

> any installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files required.

> So far I've been quite happy with the feature/software.

> I have Win XP sp3.

>

> Edna.



You are correct. The only time anything like that is required would be for a

restoration from a full catastrophic loss of the drive. Then you need the

bootable floppy ASR since the drive isn't bootable (as in a new blank

drive). Ntbackup also reminds you to create new ASR floppies when needed.



HTH,



Twayne







--

Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

through personal experience does not become a

part of the moral tissue.
 
What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can get

my computer running

again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the

internal drive.

"Twayne" wrote in message

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> In news:0B0225F2-C70C-48EF-BF02-FC85F2683C24@microsoft.com,

> TimeLady typed:

>> "Jim" wrote in message

>> news:#wprXSopKHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

>>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

>>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

>>>

>>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never looked

>>> back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in about 17

>>> minutes.

>>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does

>>> the restore

>>>

>>> Jim

>>> "joe" wrote in message

>>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>> win xp pro sp3

>>>>

>>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to an

>>>> external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes

>>>> about 5 minutes.

>>>>

>>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and

>>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how

>>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a

>>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.

>>>>

>>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this

>>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions

>>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If

>>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup

>>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and differential

>>>> backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.

>>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each

>>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?

>>>>

>>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the

>>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>>>>

>>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be

>>>> appreciated.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>> Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required

>> any installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files required.

>> So far I've been quite happy with the feature/software.

>> I have Win XP sp3.

>>

>> Edna.

>

> You are correct. The only time anything like that is required would be for

> a restoration from a full catastrophic loss of the drive. Then you need

> the bootable floppy ASR since the drive isn't bootable (as in a new blank

> drive). Ntbackup also reminds you to create new ASR floppies when needed.

>

> HTH,

>

> Twayne

>

>

>

> --

> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

> through personal experience does not become a

> part of the moral tissue.
 
"Unknown" wrote in message

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> What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can

> get my computer running

> again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the

> internal drive.

...



Could you enlarge on how you do this?
 
I use 'Bounceback', developed by CMS products. If interested, go to

www.cmsproducts.com and read all about their backup systems.

They also will answer any question you might have.

I have no connections with them whatsoever but they have sold me a backup

system

I think is foolproof. (My opinion)

"Anthony Buckland" wrote in message

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>

> "Unknown" wrote in message

> news:ubNzO5PqKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can

>> get my computer running

>> again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the

>> internal drive.

> ...

>

> Could you enlarge on how you do this?

>
 
In news:ubNzO5PqKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,

Unknown typed:

> What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and

> can get my computer running

> again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the

> internal drive.



Then you're using more than just ntbackup.exe. Most people who get around

the floppy problem can figure a way to use a bootable CD which makes it

pretty easy, or even a third party program. But you conveniently give no

details of any kind.



> "Twayne" wrote in message

> news:%23hKq0GPqKHA.4604@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> In news:0B0225F2-C70C-48EF-BF02-FC85F2683C24@microsoft.com,

>> TimeLady typed:

>>> "Jim" wrote in message

>>> news:#wprXSopKHA.4280@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>>>> Backup and resture using ntbackup has a couple of problems:

>>>> 1. You must use an installation CD to perform the restore.

>>>> 2. You must have a floppy drive to perform the restore.

>>>>

>>>> I converted to Acronis True Image several years ago and never

>>>> looked back. Acronis creates a full backup of the system disk in

>>>> about 17 minutes.

>>>> Restore takes about 45 minutes. Acronis can create a CD which does

>>>> the restore

>>>>

>>>> Jim

>>>> "joe" wrote in message

>>>> news:Ont0crnpKHA.4836@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>> win xp pro sp3

>>>>>

>>>>> I have been in the habit of backing up my most important data to

>>>>> an external hard disk folder by folder. Only about 10gb and takes

>>>>> about 5 minutes.

>>>>>

>>>>> I have just looked at the built in backup program with xp pro and

>>>>> have never seen any reference to it in this group and wondered how

>>>>> many people use it. I am curious how well it works and have a

>>>>> couple of questions about it which are not quite clear.

>>>>>

>>>>> One of the options is to backup all information. Incidentally this

>>>>> shows it will take one hour thirty minutes. Under what conditions

>>>>> could one restore from this type of backup and does it work? If

>>>>> there is some crash which makes XP unable to start can the backup

>>>>> be used? It then goes on to choose between Incremental and

>>>>> differential backup. I'm afraid this bit confuses me.

>>>>> What I want to do is backup only any changed or new files to each

>>>>> of the folders. Which one would I use?

>>>>>

>>>>> None of the results on Google were detailed enough, even the

>>>>> description on Microsoft's website does not explain in detail.

>>>>>

>>>>> Any clarification from the monitors of this group would be

>>>>> appreciated.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>>

>>> Sorry but I must disagree, I've used NTBackup & have never required

>>> any installation CD nor a floppy drive to restore the files

>>> required. So far I've been quite happy with the feature/software.

>>> I have Win XP sp3.

>>>

>>> Edna.

>>

>> You are correct. The only time anything like that is required would

>> be for a restoration from a full catastrophic loss of the drive.

>> Then you need the bootable floppy ASR since the drive isn't bootable

>> (as in a new blank drive). Ntbackup also reminds you to create new

>> ASR floppies when needed. HTH,

>>

>> Twayne

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>> Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

>> through personal experience does not become a

>> part of the moral tissue.







--

--

Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

through personal experience does not become a

part of the moral tissue.
 
Thanks. I looked briefly at the user manual, and I see that the

backup includes everything needed to recover. Sort of the

usual backup _plus_ the recovery CD that is usually on a

separate medium. I assume that a system with no disk

contents can always read via a USB 2.0 port; something

I've never tried.



"Unknown" wrote in message

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>I use 'Bounceback', developed by CMS products. If interested, go to

> www.cmsproducts.com and read all about their backup systems.

> They also will answer any question you might have.

> I have no connections with them whatsoever but they have sold me a backup

> system

> I think is foolproof. (My opinion)

> "Anthony Buckland" wrote in message

> news:OqbczNdqKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>

>> "Unknown" wrote in message

>> news:ubNzO5PqKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can

>>> get my computer running

>>> again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the

>>> internal drive.

>> ...

>>

>> Could you enlarge on how you do this?

>>

>

>
 
Don't know exactly what you mean by a "system with no disk contents".

"Anthony Buckland" wrote in message

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> Thanks. I looked briefly at the user manual, and I see that the

> backup includes everything needed to recover. Sort of the

> usual backup _plus_ the recovery CD that is usually on a

> separate medium. I assume that a system with no disk

> contents can always read via a USB 2.0 port; something

> I've never tried.

>

> "Unknown" wrote in message

> news:OPQknmmqKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>I use 'Bounceback', developed by CMS products. If interested, go to

>> www.cmsproducts.com and read all about their backup systems.

>> They also will answer any question you might have.

>> I have no connections with them whatsoever but they have sold me a backup

>> system

>> I think is foolproof. (My opinion)

>> "Anthony Buckland" wrote in message

>> news:OqbczNdqKHA.1796@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>

>>> "Unknown" wrote in message

>>> news:ubNzO5PqKHA.4752@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>>> What you say is simply not true. I have a backup external drive and can

>>>> get my computer running

>>>> again without the need of a floppy regardless of what happened to the

>>>> internal drive.

>>> ...

>>>

>>> Could you enlarge on how you do this?

>>>

>>

>>

>

>
 
"Unknown" wrote in message

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> Don't know exactly what you mean by a "system with no disk contents".

> ...



A system in which all the hard drives have been removed

and replaced with new drives, as they come out of the

box from the store. In particular, with no operating system

and no drivers on any hard disk.
 
If you do have your backup disk there is no problem restoring your C HD..

"Anthony Buckland" wrote in message

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>

> "Unknown" wrote in message

> news:uvJGu4zqKHA.4492@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>> Don't know exactly what you mean by a "system with no disk contents".

>> ...

>

> A system in which all the hard drives have been removed

> and replaced with new drives, as they come out of the

> box from the store. In particular, with no operating system

> and no drivers on any hard disk.

>
 
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