Will people like Giganews retain discontinued Microsoft groups?

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Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

The response was, everything disappears and can no

longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

assume there are other providers that might or might

not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

works?
 
Anthony Buckland wrote:

> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

> The response was, everything disappears and can no

> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

> assume there are other providers that might or might

> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

> works?

>

>






The Google's archive will remain in place for at least 7 years so you

won't have any problems accessing old, unworkable solutions, by

Pig-Bear, Microsoft Valuable Pig.



The link to the archive is here:
 
Anthony Buckland wrote:



> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

> The response was, everything disappears and can no

> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

> assume there are other providers that might or might

> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

> works?




That Microsoft kills their NNTP server does not force the discontinuance

of continued peering amongst the rest of the worldwide mesh network of

NNTP servers. Whether some of them also drop the microsoft.public.*

newsgroups depends on just what the operators of those servers want to

do. They may continue carrying those newsgroups even with the

significant reduction of traffic due to the absence of all the

webnews-for-boobs users of Microsoft's "Communities" gateway to Usenet

that pretended those were forums. They may follow suite and also drop

those newsgroups. I've seen reports from some users of other NNTP

servers that they are dropping the microsoft.public.* groups (and doing

so even before Microsoft has dropped them from Microsoft's NNTP server).



Some NNTP operators will use any excuse to reduce bandwidth and disk

space. Microsoft dropping the newsgroups (because they kill their NNTP

server) may be sufficient for some NNTP operators to do the same. Some

may continue carrying those newsgroups and not give a gnat's fart about

Microsoft's need for control which they could never exercise over

Usenet.



I've visited the web forums at Microsoft. They don't have as many as

there are newsgroups, so dropping NNTP means many newsgroups will simply

disappear because there is no matching web-based forum. That interface

sucks. It is slow, flat (i.e., no hierarchy), and has limited

functionality (i.e., many features in newsreaders are not available in

their forums), and not all their forums have been rolled together under

one umbrella (e.g., the SysInternal forums are still separate).



You would need to check if an NNTP operator has already dropped some or

all of the microsoft.public.* newsgroups. If not, all you can do is ask

them what are their plans for after Microsoft drops those newsgroups (by

killing off their NNTP server). For Giganews, only Giganews can comment

on what they plan to do with their own NNTP service.
 
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Anthony Buckland wrote:

>

> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

> The response was, everything disappears and can no

> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

> assume there are other providers that might or might

> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

> works?




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What did Giganews Support tell you when you asked them that question?



Anthony Buckland wrote:

> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

> The response was, everything disappears and can no

> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

> assume there are other providers that might or might

> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

> works?
 
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

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> What did Giganews Support tell you when you asked them that question?

>

> Anthony Buckland wrote:

>> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

>> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

>> The response was, everything disappears and can no

>> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

>> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

>> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

>> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

>> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

>> assume there are other providers that might or might

>> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

>> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

>> works?




PA Bear, you can be relied on for the right question.

Yup, I'm going to ask them, but I thought I'd raise the

general issue here first in case somebody needed to

immediately shoot me down. I'll report if I get a response.
 
"Anthony Buckland" wrote:



>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

>The response was, everything disappears and can no

>longer be accessed.




GoogleGroups archives everything on Usenet, including the

microsoft.public.* groups.



> But what about, say, Giganews,

>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

>next six years plus?




Only the Giganews sysadmin can answer that. But bear in mind that

Microsoft shutting down its NNTP server does not mean that other

servers that carry these groups will drop them. In all probability,

the groups will continue on Usenet servers around the world.



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"Tim Slattery" wrote in message

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> wrote:

>

>>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

>>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

>>The response was, everything disappears and can no

>>longer be accessed.


>

> GoogleGroups archives everything on Usenet, including the

> microsoft.public.* groups.

>

>> But what about, say, Giganews,

>>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

>>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

>>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

>>next six years plus?


>

> Only the Giganews sysadmin can answer that.

> ...




And they did. Quoting from their reply:



>Hello Anthony ,

>I'm pleased to tell you that we will continue to offer them.




So there's at least one place we will be able

to go. In fact, I already have. :)
 
"Anthony Buckland" écrivait

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> Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

> in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

> The response was, everything disappears and can no

> longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

> which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

> all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

> there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

> next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

> assume there are other providers that might or might

> not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

> new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

> works?

>

>




I use a music production software. The company that produces it used to

have an NNTP server but they dropped that service in 2003 to go WEB forums.



Their newsgroups have then been "hijacked" by regular users and are still

going on today; I guess the same thing could happens with MS groups.
 
On Sat, 15 May 2010 11:44:49 -0700, Anthony Buckland wrote...

>

>

>Someone was asking, what happens to all our postings

>in Microsoft groups that are about to be discontinued.

>The response was, everything disappears and can no

>longer be accessed. But what about, say, Giganews,

>which has text retention currently of 2518 days? Will

>all the postings in the 2518 days before shutdown stay

>there, gradually disappearing one day at a time for the

>next six years plus? Okay, I could ask them; but I

>assume there are other providers that might or might

>not keep their copies of our postings while not allowing

>new ones. Is anyone here informed on how this stuff

>works?

>

>




If Microsoft is dropping them though, there might not be enough Usenet traffic

to sustain the groups with legitimate content. Besides existing groups, who

would create valid new ones for newer products? Might be better offer looking

for an equivalent alt or comp group that isn't maintained by a company.



Tom

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