Undestructible file

[Crest Teethgel]

The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename "25 The "



explorer.exe gives the following message when the action is to delete it:

Impossible de supprimer fichier: impossible de lire ? partir du fichier ou de la disquette source

This can be translated as:

Impossible to delete file: Impossible to read from file or from diskettesource



After a Google search I did the following (resulting messages are translated):



del "25 The "

del "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

Impossible to find ... 25 The



chkdsk /f c:

problem still persistant



C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "25 The "

C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

No message



RmDir \\.\C:\prob /s /q

25 The - Le fichier sp?cifi? est introuvable.

25 The - Specified file can not be found



C:\SysinternalsSuite\sdelete.exe ".\25 The "

No files found that match



Boot with safety mode + del

Impossible to find



hardlinkcreate.exe ".\bof.txt" ".\25 The "

Specified file (2) can not be found



fsutil file createnew ".\25 The " 0

25 The created.

The file created here is "25 The" not "25 The ".



From my humble opinion a direct intervention in NTFS is the only way togo.

But I don't know how.



Someone can help me ?

Thank you in advance.

 

[John John - MVP]

Crest Teethgel wrote:

> The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

> The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename

> "25 The "

>

> explorer.exe gives the following message when the action is to delete it:

> Impossible de supprimer fichier: impossible de lire ? partir du fichier

> ou de la disquette source

> This can be translated as:

> Impossible to delete file: Impossible to read from file or from diskette

> source

>

> After a Google search I did the following (resulting messages are

> translated):

>

> del "25 The "

> del "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

> Impossible to find ... 25 The

>

> chkdsk /f c:

> problem still persistant

>

> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "25 The "

> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

> No message

>

> RmDir \\.\C:\prob /s /q

> 25 The - Le fichier sp?cifi? est introuvable.

> 25 The - Specified file can not be found

>

> C:\SysinternalsSuite\sdelete.exe ".\25 The "

> No files found that match

>

> Boot with safety mode + del

> Impossible to find

>

> hardlinkcreate.exe ".\bof.txt" ".\25 The "

> Specified file (2) can not be found

>

> fsutil file createnew ".\25 The " 0

> 25 The created.

> The file created here is "25 The" not "25 The ".

>

> From my humble opinion a direct intervention in NTFS is the only way to

> go.

> But I don't know how.

>

> Someone can help me ?

> Thank you in advance.



Try dragging the file from Explorer to the DEL command at the Command

Prompt.



Open Explorer.exe and navigate to the stubborn file, leave the Explorer

Window open.



Open a Command Prompt and type the following partial command:



del "\\?\



Now, from Explorer highlight and grab the stubborn file and drag it to

the Command Prompt and drop it at the end of the partial command. Pay

attention to the "quotation marks", if there are spaces in the file name

Explorer will automatically surround the path with quotation marks.

Make sure that there is only on set of quotation marks, like so:



del "\\?\C:\temp\New Text Document.txt"



and *not* like this:



"\\?\"C:\temp\New Text Document.txt"



John

 

[Db]

you might try running

check disk so that the

fat can be reconciled

to the file system.



another thing you might

try is booting into safe

mode and try to delete

the file.



lastly, I recall a utility

that deletes zero byte

files from the disk.



don't recall what it is

anymore,



but worth a try searching

for the feature and see

what utility has it.



--

--

db·´¯`·...¸>



DatabaseBen, Retired Professional



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:



http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx





"Crest Teethgel" wrote in message

newsp.vermq0ia1vz4pt@localhost...

> The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

> The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename "25

> The "

>

> explorer.exe gives the following message when the action is to delete it:

> Impossible de supprimer fichier: impossible de lire à partir du fichier ou

> de la disquette source

> This can be translated as:

> Impossible to delete file: Impossible to read from file or from diskette

> source

>

> After a Google search I did the following (resulting messages are

> translated):

>

> del "25 The "

> del "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

> Impossible to find ... 25 The

>

> chkdsk /f c:

> problem still persistant

>

> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "25 The "

> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

> No message

>

> RmDir \\.\C:\prob /s /q

> 25 The - Le fichier spécifié est introuvable.

> 25 The - Specified file can not be found

>

> C:\SysinternalsSuite\sdelete.exe ".\25 The "

> No files found that match

>

> Boot with safety mode + del

> Impossible to find

>

> hardlinkcreate.exe ".\bof.txt" ".\25 The "

> Specified file (2) can not be found

>

> fsutil file createnew ".\25 The " 0

> 25 The created.

> The file created here is "25 The" not "25 The ".

>

> From my humble opinion a direct intervention in NTFS is the only way to

> go.

> But I don't know how.

>

> Someone can help me ?

> Thank you in advance.

 

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message , Crest Teethgel

writes:

>

>The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

>The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename "25 The "

[]

Move all other files in the folder to a temporary folder, then



del *.*



perhaps?

--

J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/

 

[Paul]

Crest Teethgel wrote:

>

> The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

> The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename

> "25 The "

>

> explorer.exe gives the following message when the action is to delete it:

> Impossible de supprimer fichier: impossible de lire ? partir du fichier

> ou de la disquette source

> This can be translated as:

> Impossible to delete file: Impossible to read from file or from diskette

> source

>

> After a Google search I did the following (resulting messages are

> translated):

>

> del "25 The "

> del "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

> Impossible to find ... 25 The

>

> chkdsk /f c:

> problem still persistant

>

> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "25 The "

> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

> No message

>

> RmDir \\.\C:\prob /s /q

> 25 The - Le fichier sp?cifi? est introuvable.

> 25 The - Specified file can not be found

>

> C:\SysinternalsSuite\sdelete.exe ".\25 The "

> No files found that match

>

> Boot with safety mode + del

> Impossible to find

>

> hardlinkcreate.exe ".\bof.txt" ".\25 The "

> Specified file (2) can not be found

>

> fsutil file createnew ".\25 The " 0

> 25 The created.

> The file created here is "25 The" not "25 The ".

>

> From my humble opinion a direct intervention in NTFS is the only way to

> go.

> But I don't know how.

>

> Someone can help me ?

> Thank you in advance.



Some of the things you've tried, are described here.



http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320081



NTFS stores file names in Unicode. Perhaps the

file name is not exactly "25 The " as you expect ?



Could it be, that a non-printable character is also

in the file name ? That might be the problem, rather

than the space character at the end of the name.



Paul

 

[Crest Teethgel]

Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:46:28 -0400, John John - MVP wrote:



>

> Try dragging the file from Explorer to the DEL command at the Command

> Prompt.

>

> Open Explorer.exe and navigate to the stubborn file, leave the Explorer

> Window open.

>

> Open a Command Prompt and type the following partial command:

>

> del "\\?\

>

> Now, from Explorer highlight and grab the stubborn file and drag it to

> the Command Prompt and drop it at the end of the partial command. Pay

> attention to the "quotation marks", if there are spaces in the file name

> Explorer will automatically surround the path with quotation marks.

> Make sure that there is only on set of quotation marks, like so:

>

> del "\\?\C:\temp\New Text Document.txt"

>

> and *not* like this:

>

> "\\?\"C:\temp\New Text Document.txt"





From what I understood the UNC (Uniform Naming Convention) syntax

could relieve some windows command from faulty filename.



The example given was: del \\.\path\filename.ext



Since my PC is not on a network the initial dot stands for localhost.

And that command failed to remove the file.



But with your syntax \\?\\path\filename. It works just fine.

The ^%$#@ file is deleted. You can put this case in your well resolded pool !!!

You deserve your MVP certificate.



Can you tell me where I can learn more about UNC ?

What does meen the ? instead of . for server identification ?



Thanks again



Jean-Fran?ois

 

[Paul]

Paul wrote:

> Crest Teethgel wrote:

>>

>> The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

>> The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename

>> "25 The "

>>

>> explorer.exe gives the following message when the action is to delete it:

>> Impossible de supprimer fichier: impossible de lire ? partir du

>> fichier ou de la disquette source

>> This can be translated as:

>> Impossible to delete file: Impossible to read from file or from

>> diskette source

>>

>> After a Google search I did the following (resulting messages are

>> translated):

>>

>> del "25 The "

>> del "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

>> Impossible to find ... 25 The

>>

>> chkdsk /f c:

>> problem still persistant

>>

>> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "25 The "

>> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

>> No message

>>

>> RmDir \\.\C:\prob /s /q

>> 25 The - Le fichier sp?cifi? est introuvable.

>> 25 The - Specified file can not be found

>>

>> C:\SysinternalsSuite\sdelete.exe ".\25 The "

>> No files found that match

>>

>> Boot with safety mode + del

>> Impossible to find

>>

>> hardlinkcreate.exe ".\bof.txt" ".\25 The "

>> Specified file (2) can not be found

>>

>> fsutil file createnew ".\25 The " 0

>> 25 The created.

>> The file created here is "25 The" not "25 The ".

>>

>> From my humble opinion a direct intervention in NTFS is the only way

>> to go.

>> But I don't know how.

>>

>> Someone can help me ?

>> Thank you in advance.

>

> Some of the things you've tried, are described here.

>

> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/320081

>

> NTFS stores file names in Unicode. Perhaps the

> file name is not exactly "25 The " as you expect ?

>

> Could it be, that a non-printable character is also

> in the file name ? That might be the problem, rather

> than the space character at the end of the name.

>

> Paul



To test what the real file name might be, I tried some testing in

a VirtualPC session. I have Win2K running in a virtual machine.

I created an NTFS virtual disk in there, and put a few files on

it at the root level.



Next, I booted the same virtual machine, using a Linux LiveCD

(Knoppix 6.2.1), and used the ntfsinfo command, which is

part of some ntfs utilities. It is already included on the CD,

and doesn't need to be installed with package manager or anything.



This is the command that worked for me, to give an example of

the syntax.



ntfsinfo -v -F / -d /dev/sdb1



The disk is not mounted in Linux, while running the command. If

the file explorer window is currently showing the contents of the

disk, you'd right click the disk icon and select an unmount option,

to unmount it.



Now, path names are referenced to the root level of the disk.

In this example, by using the -v verbose option, the program

will dump the file names of all the files in the "/" directory.

If you were working in C:\some\directory , then you'd use



-F /some/directory



to list the directory contents. You still have to figure out the raw device

name, which in my virtual example was /dev/sdb1. The "1" indicates

in this example, that it was the first partition on the sdb disk

device.



So I can use that program, as an example of dumping detailed information

about the files. I can get both the long file name and the short

file name, using that method. Perhaps the file could be deleted,

using its short file name (8.3 style).



The weird part is, the execution of that command, does not give me

the impression it could handle Unicode, but I don't really know how

to fake a good Unicode example to work with



Paul

 

[John John - MVP]

Crest Teethgel wrote:

> Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:46:28 -0400, John John - MVP

> wrote:

>

>>

>> Try dragging the file from Explorer to the DEL command at the Command

>> Prompt.

>>

>> Open Explorer.exe and navigate to the stubborn file, leave the Explorer

>> Window open.

>>

>> Open a Command Prompt and type the following partial command:

>>

>> del "\\?\

>>

>> Now, from Explorer highlight and grab the stubborn file and drag it to

>> the Command Prompt and drop it at the end of the partial command. Pay

>> attention to the "quotation marks", if there are spaces in the file name

>> Explorer will automatically surround the path with quotation marks.

>> Make sure that there is only on set of quotation marks, like so:

>>

>> del "\\?\C:\temp\New Text Document.txt"

>>

>> and *not* like this:

>>

>> "\\?\"C:\temp\New Text Document.txt"

>

>

> From what I understood the UNC (Uniform Naming Convention) syntax

> could relieve some windows command from faulty filename.

>

> The example given was: del \\.\path\filename.ext

>

> Since my PC is not on a network the initial dot stands for localhost.

> And that command failed to remove the file.

>

> But with your syntax \\?\\path\filename. It works just fine.

> The ^%$#@ file is deleted. You can put this case in your well resolded

> pool !!!

> You deserve your MVP certificate.

>

> Can you tell me where I can learn more about UNC ?

> What does meen the ? instead of . for server identification ?



It bypasses the Win32 reserved name check. Dropping the file to the

command prompt is effective when dealing with special characters or

trailing spaces.





> Thanks again



You're welcome.



John

 

[pjp]

You might also try a "wildcard" to delete the file, e.g. go into Safe Mode,

open a command prompt, cd to the folder and use "del 25*.*" (note the space

after 25). God, miss the old days and Norton Utilities where could easily

just do the low level edit on the filename stored on the hard disk.



"Db" wrote in message

news:3BC5EA58-D284-4EC5-8E3F-D58D2715ACB9@microsoft.com...

> you might try running

> check disk so that the

> fat can be reconciled

> to the file system.

>

> another thing you might

> try is booting into safe

> mode and try to delete

> the file.

>

> lastly, I recall a utility

> that deletes zero byte

> files from the disk.

>

> don't recall what it is

> anymore,

>

> but worth a try searching

> for the feature and see

> what utility has it.

>

> --

> --

> db???`?...?>

>

> DatabaseBen, Retired Professional

>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:

>

> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx

>

>

> "Crest Teethgel" wrote in message

> newsp.vermq0ia1vz4pt@localhost...

>> The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

>> The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename "25

>> The "

>>

>> explorer.exe gives the following message when the action is to delete it:

>> Impossible de supprimer fichier: impossible de lire ? partir du fichier

>> ou de la disquette source

>> This can be translated as:

>> Impossible to delete file: Impossible to read from file or from diskette

>> source

>>

>> After a Google search I did the following (resulting messages are

>> translated):

>>

>> del "25 The "

>> del "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

>> Impossible to find ... 25 The

>>

>> chkdsk /f c:

>> problem still persistant

>>

>> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "25 The "

>> C:\gnuwin32\bin\rm -f "\\.\c:\prob\25 The "

>> No message

>>

>> RmDir \\.\C:\prob /s /q

>> 25 The - Le fichier sp?cifi? est introuvable.

>> 25 The - Specified file can not be found

>>

>> C:\SysinternalsSuite\sdelete.exe ".\25 The "

>> No files found that match

>>

>> Boot with safety mode + del

>> Impossible to find

>>

>> hardlinkcreate.exe ".\bof.txt" ".\25 The "

>> Specified file (2) can not be found

>>

>> fsutil file createnew ".\25 The " 0

>> 25 The created.

>> The file created here is "25 The" not "25 The ".

>>

>> From my humble opinion a direct intervention in NTFS is the only way to

>> go.

>> But I don't know how.

>>

>> Someone can help me ?

>> Thank you in advance.

>

 

[WaIIy]

On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 14:24:26 -0400, "Crest Teethgel"

wrote:



>The file to be deleted is: not locked, attribut normal, o byte

>The exception here is that it's filename ended with a space. Filename "25 The "



Just for the heck of it, have you tried this ?



http://www.filehippo.com/download_unlocker/

 

[a]

Boot with a Ubuntu Live CD and delete the file from outside Windows.