Thunderbird Mail Stalling on outgoing

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When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

(including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.



The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

running XP does not have this problem.



I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Richard
 
When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

(including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.



The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

running XP does not have this problem.



I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

Richard
 
If you have tried everything, that means you have asked in the Thunderbird

newsgroup, correct?



"Richard John" wrote in message

news:OeNWVMlBLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

: When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

: (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

:

: The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

: the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

: running XP does not have this problem.

:

: I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

: Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

: and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

: Richard
 
If you have tried everything, that means you have asked in the Thunderbird

newsgroup, correct?



"Richard John" wrote in message

news:OeNWVMlBLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

: When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

: (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

:

: The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

: the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

: running XP does not have this problem.

:

: I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

: Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

: and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

: Richard
 
MSE doesn't include an email scanning component.



Richard John wrote:

> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>

> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

> the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

> running XP does not have this problem.

>

> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

> and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

> Richard
 
MSE doesn't include an email scanning component.



Richard John wrote:

> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>

> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

> the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

> running XP does not have this problem.

>

> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

> and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

> Richard
 
On 06/07/2010 05:27 PM, No Mo wrote:

> If you have tried everything, that means you have asked in the Thunderbird

> newsgroup, correct?




And if you're gonna do that, you have to use Mozilla's servers or no one

will see your post.



>

> "Richard John" wrote in message

> news:OeNWVMlBLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> : When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

> : (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

> :

> : The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

> : the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

> : running XP does not have this problem.

> :

> : I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

> : Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

> : and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

> : Richard

>

>






--

Alias
 
On 06/07/2010 05:27 PM, No Mo wrote:

> If you have tried everything, that means you have asked in the Thunderbird

> newsgroup, correct?




And if you're gonna do that, you have to use Mozilla's servers or no one

will see your post.



>

> "Richard John" wrote in message

> news:OeNWVMlBLHA.3880@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> : When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

> : (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

> :

> : The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

> : the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

> : running XP does not have this problem.

> :

> : I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

> : Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

> : and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

> : Richard

>

>






--

Alias
 
Richard John wrote:

> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>

> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

> the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

> running XP does not have this problem.

>

> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

> and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

> Richard




When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.



If the ISP disables all ICMP protocol on their mail server,

the mail server ends up in a "black hole".



(See "PMTUD black holes" or "Path MTU discovery")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_(networking)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery



"Many network security devices block all ICMP messages for

security reasons, including the errors that are necessary

for PMTUD to work. This can result in connections that complete

the TCP three-way handshake correctly, but then hang when data

is transferred. This state is referred to as a "black hole connection".

"



My ISP was really sneaky. They changed their end, without

telling anyone. When I'd go to send email, it would jam up

like yours. They claimed it was "all my fault" and "would

I please change the MTU setting of my router" or the like.

When in fact, the reason they wanted me to change the

MTU, was because their mail server no longer properly

supported the protocols used to support differences in

MTU size. Only their mail server gave me problems, and

nothing else was broken (surfing worked fine).



Talk to the support at your ISP (the provider of your email

server), and see if they don't blame it on you :-)



Now, you claim it jams up when you send a large attachment.

As a test, compose an email message and send it to yourself.

Make the message really large, by copying a lot of text into

it. With any luck, you'll jam up, even without any attachment

added to the message. In my tests, I think I could send short

email messages to myself, but not long messages. Long ones

would jam when sent.



Paul
 
Richard John wrote:

> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>

> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only on

> the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old desktop

> running XP does not have this problem.

>

> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound mail

> and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

> Richard




When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.



If the ISP disables all ICMP protocol on their mail server,

the mail server ends up in a "black hole".



(See "PMTUD black holes" or "Path MTU discovery")

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_(networking)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery



"Many network security devices block all ICMP messages for

security reasons, including the errors that are necessary

for PMTUD to work. This can result in connections that complete

the TCP three-way handshake correctly, but then hang when data

is transferred. This state is referred to as a "black hole connection".

"



My ISP was really sneaky. They changed their end, without

telling anyone. When I'd go to send email, it would jam up

like yours. They claimed it was "all my fault" and "would

I please change the MTU setting of my router" or the like.

When in fact, the reason they wanted me to change the

MTU, was because their mail server no longer properly

supported the protocols used to support differences in

MTU size. Only their mail server gave me problems, and

nothing else was broken (surfing worked fine).



Talk to the support at your ISP (the provider of your email

server), and see if they don't blame it on you :-)



Now, you claim it jams up when you send a large attachment.

As a test, compose an email message and send it to yourself.

Make the message really large, by copying a lot of text into

it. With any luck, you'll jam up, even without any attachment

added to the message. In my tests, I think I could send short

email messages to myself, but not long messages. Long ones

would jam when sent.



Paul
 
On 07/06/2010 12:44 PM, Paul wrote:

> Richard John wrote:

>> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

>> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>>

>> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only

>> on the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old

>> desktop running XP does not have this problem.

>>

>> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

>> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound

>> mail and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>> Richard


>

> When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.

>

> If the ISP disables all ICMP protocol on their mail server,

> the mail server ends up in a "black hole".

>

> (See "PMTUD black holes" or "Path MTU discovery")

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_(networking)

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery

>

> "Many network security devices block all ICMP messages for

> security reasons, including the errors that are necessary

> for PMTUD to work. This can result in connections that complete

> the TCP three-way handshake correctly, but then hang when data

> is transferred. This state is referred to as a "black hole connection".

> "

>

> My ISP was really sneaky. They changed their end, without

> telling anyone. When I'd go to send email, it would jam up

> like yours. They claimed it was "all my fault" and "would

> I please change the MTU setting of my router" or the like.

> When in fact, the reason they wanted me to change the

> MTU, was because their mail server no longer properly

> supported the protocols used to support differences in

> MTU size. Only their mail server gave me problems, and

> nothing else was broken (surfing worked fine).

>

> Talk to the support at your ISP (the provider of your email

> server), and see if they don't blame it on you :-)

>

> Now, you claim it jams up when you send a large attachment.

> As a test, compose an email message and send it to yourself.

> Make the message really large, by copying a lot of text into

> it. With any luck, you'll jam up, even without any attachment

> added to the message. In my tests, I think I could send short

> email messages to myself, but not long messages. Long ones

> would jam when sent.

>

> Paul


Thanks Paul

I sent your message to my ISP since it is all greek to me

Richard
 
On 07/06/2010 12:44 PM, Paul wrote:

> Richard John wrote:

>> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

>> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>>

>> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only

>> on the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old

>> desktop running XP does not have this problem.

>>

>> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

>> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound

>> mail and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>> Richard


>

> When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.

>

> If the ISP disables all ICMP protocol on their mail server,

> the mail server ends up in a "black hole".

>

> (See "PMTUD black holes" or "Path MTU discovery")

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_(networking)

>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Path_MTU_discovery

>

> "Many network security devices block all ICMP messages for

> security reasons, including the errors that are necessary

> for PMTUD to work. This can result in connections that complete

> the TCP three-way handshake correctly, but then hang when data

> is transferred. This state is referred to as a "black hole connection".

> "

>

> My ISP was really sneaky. They changed their end, without

> telling anyone. When I'd go to send email, it would jam up

> like yours. They claimed it was "all my fault" and "would

> I please change the MTU setting of my router" or the like.

> When in fact, the reason they wanted me to change the

> MTU, was because their mail server no longer properly

> supported the protocols used to support differences in

> MTU size. Only their mail server gave me problems, and

> nothing else was broken (surfing worked fine).

>

> Talk to the support at your ISP (the provider of your email

> server), and see if they don't blame it on you :-)

>

> Now, you claim it jams up when you send a large attachment.

> As a test, compose an email message and send it to yourself.

> Make the message really large, by copying a lot of text into

> it. With any luck, you'll jam up, even without any attachment

> added to the message. In my tests, I think I could send short

> email messages to myself, but not long messages. Long ones

> would jam when sent.

>

> Paul


Thanks Paul

I sent your message to my ISP since it is all greek to me

Richard
 
Paul wrote:

> Richard John wrote:

>> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

>> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>>

>> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only

>> on the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old

>> desktop running XP does not have this problem.

>>

>> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

>> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound

>> mail and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>> Richard


>

> When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.




If so, why don't the e-mails stall when he uses the third PC (the one

running XP)?
 
Paul wrote:

> Richard John wrote:

>> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

>> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>>

>> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only

>> on the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old

>> desktop running XP does not have this problem.

>>

>> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

>> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound

>> mail and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>> Richard


>

> When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.




If so, why don't the e-mails stall when he uses the third PC (the one

running XP)?
 
Daave wrote:

> Paul wrote:

>> Richard John wrote:

>>> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

>>> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>>>

>>> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only

>>> on the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old

>>> desktop running XP does not have this problem.

>>>

>>> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

>>> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound

>>> mail and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>>> Richard


>> When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.


>

> If so, why don't the e-mails stall when he uses the third PC (the one

> running XP)?

>

>




That would depend on the MTU setting of each computer. Perhaps

there is a policy difference between the OSes ? Or, perhaps the

user has already made a change purely by accident (while

"tweaking" the network performance).



In any case, if phoning the ISP gets an immediate response from

the support staff, then they probably know they've changed something

at their end to cause it in the first place.



The OP can always set up a second email client, and do the same

tests, and see if it "stalls" exactly the same way.



Paul
 
Daave wrote:

> Paul wrote:

>> Richard John wrote:

>>> When I send an outgoing email with an attachment of almost any size

>>> (including only a screen shot) it will stall at about 50%.

>>>

>>> The reason that I am mentioning it here is that it is happening only

>>> on the two computers running Windows 7 (one 32 the other 64) My old

>>> desktop running XP does not have this problem.

>>>

>>> I have tried everything, including changing anti virus from Avast to

>>> Microsoft Security Essentials - scanning and non scanning outbound

>>> mail and with no change. Any ideas would be appreciated.

>>> Richard


>> When this happened to me, it was caused by the ISP.


>

> If so, why don't the e-mails stall when he uses the third PC (the one

> running XP)?

>

>




That would depend on the MTU setting of each computer. Perhaps

there is a policy difference between the OSes ? Or, perhaps the

user has already made a change purely by accident (while

"tweaking" the network performance).



In any case, if phoning the ISP gets an immediate response from

the support staff, then they probably know they've changed something

at their end to cause it in the first place.



The OP can always set up a second email client, and do the same

tests, and see if it "stalls" exactly the same way.



Paul
 
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