System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2nd parti

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Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are

still being created on the secondary partitions.



The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.



The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,

WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must

install these from a secondary partition.



What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.



Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?



Thanks,

--

Bill Baker
 
Bill, I use two drives both formatted FAT32 and when I turn off System

Restore on all Drives, it's turned off. With NTFS you might have a issue

with permissions on the other drives

But, just guessing.

"WB" wrote in message

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> Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points

> are

> still being created on the secondary partitions.

>

> The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D,

> FAT32.

>

> The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,

> WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must

> install these from a secondary partition.

>

> What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.

>

> Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?

>

> Thanks,

> --

> Bill Baker
 
System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2nd p

Thanks for the reply Rich. Not sure what permissions I should set or unset.



BTW: The System Restore Service is stopped, but restore points are still

being created. This makes no sense, unless it's an undocumented bug.



--

Bill Baker





"Rich Barry" wrote:



> Bill, I use two drives both formatted FAT32 and when I turn off System

> Restore on all Drives, it's turned off. With NTFS you might have a issue

> with permissions on the other drives

> But, just guessing.

> "WB" wrote in message

> news:B51E1E9F-3585-4835-A87C-32EB54E05AD8@microsoft.com...

> > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points

> > are

> > still being created on the secondary partitions.

> >

> > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D,

> > FAT32.

> >

> > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,

> > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must

> > install these from a secondary partition.

> >

> > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.

> >

> > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > --

> > Bill Baker


>

>

> .

>
 
System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2ndparti

WB wrote:

> Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are

> still being created on the secondary partitions.

>

> The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.

>

> The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,

> WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must

> install these from a secondary partition.

>

> What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.

>

> Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?

>

> Thanks,




Regardless of *why* these System Restore points are being created,

perhaps the best way for you to deal with the situation is to turn SR

*on* for all partitions and use the "Settings" tab of the SR User

Interface to set the amount of disk space to use to the minimum (move

slider all the way to the left). By default, in XP, SR uses 12% of the

partition, which is too much space on today's large drives even if you

*want* to have SR running. If System Restore runs out of the storage

space that has been allocated towards its use, it will delete the oldest

restore point in order to create space for the new restore point.



System Restore actually creates restore points under at least 5

different circumstances:



1. scheduled restore points (system checkpoints) (approx every 24 hours)

2. before a restore to a restore point (so you can UNDO the restore)

3. before installing Windows updates received via AutoUpdate

4. before installing an app that uses a SR-compatible installer (e.g.

InstallShield).

5. manually created restore points



Turning SR off *should* not only disable the creation of system

checkpoints (which also relies on the Task Scheduler service), but also

should stop SR from checking for events 3 and 4. You can use

services.msc to see if the System Restore service is actually stopped

when you tell it to "Turn off System Restore on all drives."



It may be that the applications that you are installing do not rely on

SR being triggered by the installation but instead create a manual

restore point. I know that some antimalware apps (e.g., Spybot Search &

Destroy) can optionally create a restore point prior to deleting malware

that the app has identified. Perhaps the apps you are installing do the

same. In this case, your SR configuration settings are being bypassed.



You can delete SR points that are created by your app installations. Use

the user interface to turn SR on for each partition that has SR points

and then turn it off or use the Disk Cleanup tool (cleanmgr.exe) for

each partition and specify "remove all but the most recent restore

point" on the "More Options" tab.



In Vista and Win 7, SR relies on the "shadow copy" feature of NTFS and

thus can't monitor FAT32 partitions. In XP, SR works differently (see,

e.g.,

http://www.microsoft.com/middleeast/windowsvista/features/foreveryone/backup.mspx).



--

Lem



Apollo 11 - 40 years ago:

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System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2ndparti

On Feb 10, 9:31 pm, WB wrote:

> Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are

> still being created on the secondary partitions.

>

> The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.

>

> The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,

> WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must

> install these from a secondary partition.

>

> What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.

>

> Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?

>

> Thanks,

> --

> Bill Baker




Do you mean Automatic Restore Points are no longer being created, but

when you install some programs, the installation program creates a new

RP for you as part of the installation?



This is so you can restore back if the new program installation

fails. If you don't like it, change it.



Restore points are set to only take 12% of your drive by default, but

you can adjust that. It is damn near impossible for RPs to fill up a

HDD - they do not accumulate forever and will stop being created

before you run out of HDD unless something else is wrong.



How big is your HDD and what are your settings and would you like to

change them?



Perhaps a better understanding of how System Restore works will help

guide you and simultaneously relieve any possibility of frustration

and misunderstandings.
 
System Restore all off, still creating restore points on 2nd p

Thanks for the replies. I was able to watch an OS installation and noticed

that a restore point is created immediately on my D drive (drive 0, partition

2). The files that it backed up are files that get copied from a network

share to the D partition (not necessarily when apps are installed from the D

drive).



I'll try setting the DiskPercent registry entry to "0" or "1". I did try to

set the "CreateFirstRunRp" to 0, but that didn't help.



We do need an "automated" method for disabling (or reducing the size of) the

system restore points.



Thanks again,

--

Bill Baker





"Jose" wrote:



> On Feb 10, 9:31 pm, WB wrote:

> > Although we have System Restore turned off on all drives, restore points are

> > still being created on the secondary partitions.

> >

> > The OS partiton is drive C, NTFS. The secondary partition is drive D, FAT32.

> >

> > The restore points are being created when applications (i.e. DirectX,

> > WinDVD, etc.) are installed from the second partition (drive D). We must

> > install these from a secondary partition.

> >

> > What are we missing? These restore points are filling up our drives.

> >

> > Also, I thought System Restore wouldn't work on FAT32 drives?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > --

> > Bill Baker


>

> Do you mean Automatic Restore Points are no longer being created, but

> when you install some programs, the installation program creates a new

> RP for you as part of the installation?

>

> This is so you can restore back if the new program installation

> fails. If you don't like it, change it.

>

> Restore points are set to only take 12% of your drive by default, but

> you can adjust that. It is damn near impossible for RPs to fill up a

> HDD - they do not accumulate forever and will stop being created

> before you run out of HDD unless something else is wrong.

>

> How big is your HDD and what are your settings and would you like to

> change them?

>

> Perhaps a better understanding of how System Restore works will help

> guide you and simultaneously relieve any possibility of frustration

> and misunderstandings.

>

>

>

> .

>
 
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