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Hello,



I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...



I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

(Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

Sort button.) It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

OS's, too. From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

without performing additional work like rebooting the computer. I

also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid. From using

SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

API call is even exposed for programmers.



Any suggestions?



Thanks,

Todd
 
On 5/24/2010 11:31 AM, ever90321@mypacks.net wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

> come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

>

> I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

> technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

> right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

> (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

> Sort button.) It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

> OS's, too. From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

> without performing additional work like rebooting the computer. I

> also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

> shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid. From using

> SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

> functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

> API call is even exposed for programmers.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Todd

>

If all else fails, you can make an exe from an Autohotkey script.
 
On May 24, 12:58 pm, Bob CP wrote:

> On 5/24/2010 11:31 AM, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>

> > Hello,

>

> > I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

> > come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

>

> > I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

> > technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

> > right-click ->  Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

> > (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

> > Sort button.)  It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

> > OS's, too.  From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

> > without performing additional work like rebooting the computer.  I

> > also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

> > shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid.  From using

> > SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

> > functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

> > API call is even exposed for programmers.

>

> > Any suggestions?

>

> > Thanks,

> > Todd

>

> If all else fails, you can make an exe from an Autohotkey script.





Or AutoIt? But this would still involve opening some window, I think,

which is less than professional / ideal.
 
On 05/24/10 2:07 PM, ever90321@mypacks.net wrote:

> On May 24, 12:58 pm, Bob CP wrote:

>> On 5/24/2010 11:31 AM, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>>

>>> Hello,

>>

>>> I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

>>> come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

>>

>>> I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

>>> technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

>>> right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

>>> (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

>>> Sort button.) It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

>>> OS's, too. From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

>>> without performing additional work like rebooting the computer. I

>>> also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

>>> shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid. From using

>>> SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

>>> functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

>>> API call is even exposed for programmers.

>>

>>> Any suggestions?

>>

>>> Thanks,

>>> Todd

>>

>> If all else fails, you can make an exe from an Autohotkey script.

>

>

> Or AutoIt? But this would still involve opening some window, I think,

> which is less than professional / ideal.



Autohotkey has the ability to hide a window too. Still, a Mickey Mouse

solution, but if no one comes up with a better solution...
 
As workaround you could kill explorer.exe after having deleted the

registry-key.

(Being killed by script explorer.exe restarts automatically.)



Lg

Marcello
 
On 5/24/2010 8:31 AM, ever90321@mypacks.net wrote:

> Hello,

> I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

> come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

> I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

> technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

> right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

> (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

> Sort button.) It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

> OS's, too. From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

> without performing additional work like rebooting the computer. I

> also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

> shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid. From using

> SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

> functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

> API call is even exposed for programmers.

> Any suggestions?

> Thanks,

> Todd



This claims it works for XP



http://www.theeldergeek.com/sort_menus_alphabetically.htm











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On 5/24/2010 8:31 AM, ever90321@mypacks.net wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

> come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

>

> I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

> technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

> right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

> (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

> Sort button.) It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

> OS's, too. From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

> without performing additional work like rebooting the computer. I

> also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

> shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid. From using

> SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

> functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

> API call is even exposed for programmers.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

> Thanks,

> Todd

>

This shows the registry changes more clearly:



http://samanathon.com/registry-hack-automatically-sort-the-programs-menu-alphabetically/

-----------



and this discusses the security API used to change registry key permissions:



http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=78240



In answer to your question, it is possible but requires the use of the

security api function. Unfortunately these are some of the more arcance

functions in the API. I haven't the time to run up an example for you,

however you should use MSDN to check out these functions:



RegSetKeySecurity

SetEntriesInACL



Of course, you need to be able to open the key to set these ACEs so your

program will need to be run from an administrative account first in

order to set the necessary access.

-----------



I recommend you post this in a newsgroup for whatever programming

language you are going to use and write a program that you can run from

the command line.



Mike











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On May 24, 7:02 pm, mscir wrote:

>> On 5/24/2010 8:31 AM, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:



[...]



> This shows the registry changes more clearly:

>

> http://samanathon.com/registry-hack-automatically-sort-the-programs-m...

> -----------

>

> and this discusses the security API used to change registry key permissions:

>

> http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=78240

>

> In answer to your question, it is possible but requires the use of the

> security api function. Unfortunately these are some of the more arcance

> functions in the API. I haven't the time to run up an example for you,

> however you should use MSDN to check out these functions:

>

> RegSetKeySecurity

> SetEntriesInACL

>

> Of course, you need to be able to open the key to set these ACEs so your

> program will need to be run from an administrative account first in

> order to set the necessary access.

> -----------

>

> I recommend you post this in a newsgroup for whatever programming

> language you are going to use and write a program that you can run from

> the command line.

>

> Mike

>

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Thanks for all the replies, but there may have been a

misunderstanding. I don't want the Programs menu sorting itself

automatically forever, but only on cue, each time I run

"sortprograms.exe". It's looking more likely there's no registry or

OS trick for that, eh? But is there a way to link directly to the

"Sort" / "Sort by Name" functionality in explorer.exe (?) and avoid

all this messiness? I am not a C programmer (for a small,

straightforward program, it wouldn't be an impossible leap) and was

hoping/guessing that such a program must already exist somewhere.

Second takes anyone?



Thanks again,

Todd
 
On 5/24/2010 5:33 PM, ever90321@mypacks.net wrote:

> On May 24, 7:02 pm, mscir wrote:

>>> On 5/24/2010 8:31 AM, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>

> [...]

>

>> This shows the registry changes more clearly:

>>

>> http://samanathon.com/registry-hack-automatically-sort-the-programs-m...

>> -----------

>>

>> and this discusses the security API used to change registry key permissions:

>>

>> http://www.xtremevbtalk.com/showthread.php?t=78240

>>

>> In answer to your question, it is possible but requires the use of the

>> security api function. Unfortunately these are some of the more arcance

>> functions in the API. I haven't the time to run up an example for you,

>> however you should use MSDN to check out these functions:

>>

>> RegSetKeySecurity

>> SetEntriesInACL

>>

>> Of course, you need to be able to open the key to set these ACEs so your

>> program will need to be run from an administrative account first in

>> order to set the necessary access.

>> -----------

>>

>> I recommend you post this in a newsgroup for whatever programming

>> language you are going to use and write a program that you can run from

>> the command line.

>>

>> Mike

>>

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>

> Thanks for all the replies, but there may have been a

> misunderstanding. I don't want the Programs menu sorting itself

> automatically forever, but only on cue, each time I run

> "sortprograms.exe". It's looking more likely there's no registry or

> OS trick for that, eh? But is there a way to link directly to the

> "Sort" / "Sort by Name" functionality in explorer.exe (?) and avoid

> all this messiness? I am not a C programmer (for a small,

> straightforward program, it wouldn't be an impossible leap) and was

> hoping/guessing that such a program must already exist somewhere.

> Second takes anyone?

>

> Thanks again,

> Todd



Todd,



Sorry for the misunderstanding. I haven't seen anything that would do

what you're asking for. Would you mind explaining the application... is

this something you'd be running just to save time, or is it a feature

you want to add to a program you're installing or running?



Mike



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On May 24, 9:51 pm, mscir wrote:



> Todd,

>

> Sorry for the misunderstanding. I haven't seen anything that would do

> what you're asking for. Would you mind explaining the application... is

> this something you'd be running just to save time, or is it a feature

> you want to add to a program you're installing or running?

>

> Mike

>

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It's meant to add some polish to a remote device management server.

Once a program (.exe, .msi, etc.) is installed over-the-air on the

laptop, "sortprograms.exe" would run once. I suppose it would be

possible to set each laptop to always sort Start -> Programs

automatically (or just let the folders fall where they may), but I

find this the cleanest solution. I'm often surprised at the features

lying under the surface of Windows when I go digging, but this seems

to be something that was left out.



If you or anyone has other suggestions, please let me know.

Autohotkey is looking pretty good right now! ;)
 
On May 24, 11:31 pm, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

> Hello,

>

> I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

> come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

>

> I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

> technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

> right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

> (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

> Sort button.)  It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

> OS's, too.  From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

> without performing additional work like rebooting the computer.  I

> also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

> shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid.  From using

> SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

> functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

> API call is even exposed for programmers.

>

Sort Menus Alphabetically

http://www.theeldergeek.com/sort_menus_alphabetically.htm



Menu Sorter

http://www.cooltoys.org.uk/products/menu_sorter/
 
On 5/26/2010 4:47 AM, jmatt wrote:

> On May 24, 11:31 pm, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>> Hello,

>>

>> I've done numerous web and usenet searches over the past few days and

>> come up short, and am hoping now to get somebody's input...

>>

>> I am not a C programmer, but am looking for a registry or command line

>> technique, or a small 3rd party command line tool that performs the

>> right-click -> Sort By Name feature on the Windows XP Programs menu.

>> (Or similarly, the "Taskbar and Start Menu Properties" Control Panel's

>> Sort button.) It would obviously be helpful if it worked for newer

>> OS's, too. From what I can tell, there is no built-in way to do this,

>> without performing additional work like rebooting the computer. I

>> also found a VBS script that does an actual (bubble?) sort on the

>> shortcuts, which is also something I want to avoid. From using

>> SysInternals' Process Monitor, the best I can tell is that the Sort

>> functionality is built into explorer.exe, but I have no idea if this

>> API call is even exposed for programmers.

>>

> Sort Menus Alphabetically

> http://www.theeldergeek.com/sort_menus_alphabetically.htm

>

> Menu Sorter

> http://www.cooltoys.org.uk/products/menu_sorter/



I emailed the cooltoys guy asking for the source code, I may be able to

write a small Visual Basic 6 app that did the job that doesn't open any

windows, just runs, does the sort, then closes itself. If he gives me

the source code I'll write the app and test it on my XP machine and let

you know if I get it working.







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On May 26, 10:59 pm, mscir wrote:



> > Menu Sorter

> >http://www.cooltoys.org.uk/products/menu_sorter/

>

> I emailed the cooltoys guy asking for the source code, I may be able to

> write a small Visual Basic 6 app that did the job that doesn't open any

> windows, just runs, does the sort, then closes itself. If he gives me

> the source code I'll write the app and test it on my XP machine and let

> you know if I get it working.

>

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Mike,



Wow, I really appreciate the help. I am in the process of contacting

James @ Cooltoys myself. His program sort of does what I want, with

the exception of a /silent switch as you noted. The other problem?

It does't work so well. I tried dragging a single folder out of place

and running Menu Sorter, and it generally does nothing at all. This

is on a WinXP SP3 computer...no telling what effect it has on Vista or

7. I am curious what James has to say about this. If at its heart,

Menu Sorter is simply a dog, then the source code won't make much

difference. The final problem, which I'm sure is just bad luck, is

that the line of A-Squared/Ikarus malware detectors flag it as

containing Trojan-Downloader.Win32.VB!IK. I checked the program at

http://www.virustotal.com and http://virusscan.jotti.org/en, and these

are the *only* programs to flag it, and I also ran my own tests that

judge it as clean.



Thanks,

Todd
 
On May 27, 10:51 am, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

> On May 26, 10:59 pm, mscir wrote:

>

> > > Menu Sorter

> > >http://www.cooltoys.org.uk/products/menu_sorter/

>

> > I emailed the cooltoys guy asking for the source code, I may be able to

> > write a small Visual Basic 6 app that did the job that doesn't open any

> > windows, just runs, does the sort, then closes itself. If he gives me

> > the source code I'll write the app and test it on my XP machine and let

> > you know if I get it working.

>

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>

> Mike,

>

> Wow, I really appreciate the help. I am in the process of contacting

> James @ Cooltoys myself. His program sort of does what I want, with

> the exception of a /silent switch as you noted. The other problem?

> It does't work so well. I tried dragging a single folder out of place

> and running Menu Sorter, and it generally does nothing at all. This

> is on a WinXP SP3 computer...no telling what effect it has on Vista or

> 7. I am curious what James has to say about this. If at its heart,

> Menu Sorter is simply a dog, then the source code won't make much

> difference. The final problem, which I'm sure is just bad luck, is

> that the line of A-Squared/Ikarus malware detectors flag it as

> containing Trojan-Downloader.Win32.VB!IK. I checked the program athttp://www.virustotal.comandhttp://virusscan.jotti.org/en, and these

> are the *only* programs to flag it, and I also ran my own tests that

> judge it as clean.

>

> Thanks,

> Todd



Here's the reply from James, who released the Cool Toys sort program:



------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: James (Cool Toys)

Subject: Re: Cool Toys - Contact Form - would you mind making the

source code available

To: "Mike Scirocco"

Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:41 PM



Hi Mike,



The Menu Sorter utility is a bit crude really, as all it does it

delete

everything under this registry key:



HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer

\MenuOrder



Which is what Windows uses to store the sort order - I seem to

remember

Windows doesn't re-read the values from the registry all of the time

though, i.e. rebooting may be necessary for the changes to be picked-

up.



Hope that helps



James

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Is this an approach you want to try, and if so do you require a VB

program to accomplish it?



Mike
 
On May 27, 8:35 pm, mscir wrote:

> On May 27, 10:51 am, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>

>

>

> Here's the reply from James, who released the Cool Toys sort program:

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> From: James (Cool Toys)

> Subject: Re: Cool Toys - Contact Form - would you mind making the

> source code available

> To: "Mike Scirocco"

> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:41 PM

>

> Hi Mike,

>

> The Menu Sorter utility is a bit crude really, as all it does it

> delete

> everything under this registry key:

>

> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer

> \MenuOrder

>

> Which is what Windows uses to store the sort order - I seem to

> remember

> Windows doesn't re-read the values from the registry all of the time

> though, i.e. rebooting may be necessary for the changes to be picked-

> up.

>

> Hope that helps

>

> James

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Is this an approach you want to try, and if so do you require a VB

> program to accomplish it?

>

> Mike



Hey, James sent me a copy of that email as well. But unfortunately I

was trying that days before I posted here, and it doesn't work. At

least it doesn't work instantly, like clicking "Sort" or "Sort by

name" within Windows XP, which is what I'm trying to do. I forget

which board it came from, but someone else suggested

http://www.lujosoft.net/_content/_utilities/AutoSortMenu.html. This

seems like a further step backward, though, because not only does it

not work instantly, but as a .NET program it requires an outright

installation, and I'm trying to stay within a small footprint. I do

want to contact the LuJuSoft guy, in case he has any ideas.



To recap, the problem is that while Windows probably also deletes the

\Menu or \Menu2 key in the registry, it likely triggers an instant

rebuild of the key, which is otherwise requires by a reboot. I'm

looking for the API to do that without rebooting, if it's even

possible. I'll post again the next time I have news.



Thanks!

Todd
 
On 6/1/2010 1:54 PM, ever90321@mypacks.net wrote:

> On May 27, 8:35 pm, mscir wrote:

>> On May 27, 10:51 am, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>>

>>

>>

>> Here's the reply from James, who released the Cool Toys sort program:

>>

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>> From: James (Cool Toys)

>> Subject: Re: Cool Toys - Contact Form - would you mind making the

>> source code available

>> To: "Mike Scirocco"

>> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:41 PM

>>

>> Hi Mike,

>>

>> The Menu Sorter utility is a bit crude really, as all it does it

>> delete

>> everything under this registry key:

>>

>> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer

>> \MenuOrder

>>

>> Which is what Windows uses to store the sort order - I seem to

>> remember

>> Windows doesn't re-read the values from the registry all of the time

>> though, i.e. rebooting may be necessary for the changes to be picked-

>> up.

>>

>> Hope that helps

>>

>> James

>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>>

>> Is this an approach you want to try, and if so do you require a VB

>> program to accomplish it?

>>

>> Mike

>

> Hey, James sent me a copy of that email as well. But unfortunately I

> was trying that days before I posted here, and it doesn't work. At

> least it doesn't work instantly, like clicking "Sort" or "Sort by

> name" within Windows XP, which is what I'm trying to do. I forget

> which board it came from, but someone else suggested

> http://www.lujosoft.net/_content/_utilities/AutoSortMenu.html. This

> seems like a further step backward, though, because not only does it

> not work instantly, but as a .NET program it requires an outright

> installation, and I'm trying to stay within a small footprint. I do

> want to contact the LuJuSoft guy, in case he has any ideas.

>

> To recap, the problem is that while Windows probably also deletes the

> \Menu or \Menu2 key in the registry, it likely triggers an instant

> rebuild of the key, which is otherwise requires by a reboot. I'm

> looking for the API to do that without rebooting, if it's even

> possible. I'll post again the next time I have news.

>

> Thanks!

> Todd



Have you seen this:



http://www.itechtalk.com/thread1691.html



using a batch file.



Mike
 
On Jun 2, 2:35 am, Mike S wrote:

> On 6/1/2010 1:54 PM, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>

>

>

> > On May 27, 8:35 pm, mscir  wrote:

> >> On May 27, 10:51 am, ever90...@mypacks.net wrote:

>

> >> Here's the reply from James, who released the Cool Toys sort program:

>

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >> From: James (Cool Toys)

> >> Subject: Re: Cool Toys - Contact Form - would you mind making the

> >> source code available

> >> To: "Mike Scirocco"

> >> Date: Thursday, May 27, 2010, 12:41 PM

>

> >> Hi Mike,

>

> >> The Menu Sorter utility is a bit crude really, as all it does it

> >> delete

> >> everything under this registry key:

>

> >> HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer

> >> \MenuOrder

>

> >> Which is what Windows uses to store the sort order - I seem to

> >> remember

> >> Windows doesn't re-read the values from the registry all of the time

> >> though, i.e. rebooting may be necessary for the changes to be picked-

> >> up.

>

> >> Hope that helps

>

> >> James

> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> >> Is this an approach you want to try, and if so do you require a VB

> >> program to accomplish it?

>

> >> Mike

>

> > Hey, James sent me a copy of that email as well.  But unfortunately I

> > was trying that days before I posted here, and it doesn't work.  At

> > least it doesn't work instantly, like clicking "Sort" or "Sort by

> > name" within Windows XP, which is what I'm trying to do.  I forget

> > which board it came from, but someone else suggested

> >http://www.lujosoft.net/_content/_utilities/AutoSortMenu.html.  This

> > seems like a further step backward, though, because not only does it

> > not work instantly, but as a .NET program it requires an outright

> > installation, and I'm trying to stay within a small footprint.  I do

> > want to contact the LuJuSoft guy, in case he has any ideas.

>

> > To recap, the problem is that while Windows probably also deletes the

> > \Menu or \Menu2 key in the registry, it likely triggers an instant

> > rebuild of the key, which is otherwise requires by a reboot.  I'm

> > looking for the API to do that without rebooting, if it's even

> > possible. I'll post again the next time I have news.

>

> > Thanks!

> > Todd

>

> Have you seen this:

>

> http://www.itechtalk.com/thread1691.html

>

> using a batch file.

>

> Mike



Yes, I did come across that earlier, or something similar. I

originally wanted to avoid a full sort routine, as I wasn't sure it

how it would work on later OS's, or if it would run into any

permission issues...but then I never read the whole article. At this

point, I should probably have another look. :)



Todd
 
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