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Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free version

combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give SE

a try.
 
Windows comes with a firewall.



Rich Barry wrote:

> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free version

> combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give SE

> a try.

>

>
 
On 4/02/2010 08:00, Rich Barry wrote:

> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free version



Hi Rich,



Microsoft Security Essentials does not contain a firewall in its

packaging, because there is already a Firewall built in to Windows XP

SP2 and later.



A combination of Windows' own firewall and MSE would give you firewall,

antivurs and antimalware protection; with no need for any 3rd party tools.



As to whether the Microsoft offerings are any better than 3rd party

tools ... there's probably thousands of different opinions; many based

on anecdote, subjective impressions, and prejudice :-) FWIW, I've been

using MSE and found it to be pretty good. It immediately detected the

only infection I've encountered in recent times (and that virus wasn't

even active; it was in the data payload of a non-executable file.



Most antivirus apps work by means of a "filter driver", which inserts a

layer of code into the stack of drivers that read and write to the disk.

Any slight error here can be very destabilising for the entire system;

AV software is notorious for casing blue screens and the like. One

advantage of MSE is that it's extremely compatible with the rest of Windows.



Hope this helps,



Andrew



--

amclar at optusnet dot com dot au
 
Few users need a firewall other than what is built into Windows. If you

cannot articulate in clear technical detail why the Windows firewall is not

adequate for your specific needs you do not need any other firewall.

The router that you inevitably use to access the internet has a hardware

firewall as well which is likely the main firewall actually protecting your

computer.

Programs like Commodo, if you are not familiar with using them, can easily

complicate local network connections.

MS Essentials is no better or worse than a host of free programs like AVG so

it comes down to personal preference.

In my personal experience there is little advantage, and many disadvantages,

to paying the exorbitant prices for retail antivirus programs. Your mileage

may vary.

If you actually get hit by malware it means your firewall and antivirus

program did not work and you will end up using free programs like

Malwarebytes before you are forced to reformat and reinstall.

No program will protect your computer if you are not reasonably careful

about what you click on when viewing websites.
 
From: "Andrew McLaren"



< snip >



| Most antivirus apps work by means of a "filter driver", which inserts a

| layer of code into the stack of drivers that read and write to the disk.

| Any slight error here can be very destabilising for the entire system;

| AV software is notorious for casing blue screens and the like. One

| advantage of MSE is that it's extremely compatible with the rest of Windows.



< snip >



That's a bunch of malarchy !



--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
"Anonamoose" écrivait

news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:







> The router that you inevitably use to access the

> internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

> firewall actually protecting your computer.







I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

misunderstood?



(English is not my native language)
 
It's been so long that I forgot I turned off Windows own Firewall.

Comodo works fine for me since I am not on a local Network.

In the past MS efforts to protect my Computer have been less than

adequate. Hence, I don't think of MS as a first line of defense.

"Rich Barry" wrote in message

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> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free

> version combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I

> should give SE a try.

>
 
"Rich Barry" wrote in news:O8P6YaSpKHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:



> It's been so long that I forgot I turned off Windows own Firewall.

> Comodo works fine for me since I am not on a local Network.

> In the past MS efforts to protect my Computer have been less than

> adequate. Hence, I don't think of MS as a first line of defense.

> "Rich Barry" wrote in message

> news:%235Io%23PRpKHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

>> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

>> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free

>> version combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I

>> should give SE a try.



You may find this interesting:



http://lifehacker.com/5401453/stop-...ity-microsofts-security-tools-are-good-enough



http://lifehacker.com/5433229/microsoft-security-essentials-ranks-as-best+performing-free-antivirus



I have been running MSSE since it came out of beta on both Vista and XP and it's got a very small resource

footprint and apparently does a very good job based on recent testing.
 
"Doum" wrote in message

news:XnF9D14B825EE803doumdomainnet@207.46.248.16...

> "Anonamoose" écrivait

> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

>

>

>

>> The router that you inevitably use to access the

>> internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

>> firewall actually protecting your computer.

>

>

>

> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

> misunderstood?



It's not. The only reason you'd want a router is if you had several

computers and you wanted all of them to use the same internet connection

(usually DSL or a cable modem). But if you only have one PC, then a router

is not needed at all.



--



Roy Smith

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum wrote:



> "Anonamoose" écrivait

> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

>

>

>

> > The router that you inevitably use to access the

> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

> > firewall actually protecting your computer.

>

>

>

> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

> misunderstood?





You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not

needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a

network, and there is no router used with them.



--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
Got Google? =>

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+microsoft+security+essentials+include+firewall?



Do any MSE-specific pages mention that it includes a firewall? (No.)

http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials



MSE Support Forums

http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse



MSE left beta in Oct-09.

--

~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002





Rich Barry wrote:

> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free

> version

> combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give

> SE

> a try.
 
From: "Ken Blake, MVP"



| On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum wrote:



>> "Anonamoose" écrivait

>> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:



>>



>> > The router that you inevitably use to access the

>> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

>> > firewall actually protecting your computer.



>>



>> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

>> misunderstood?





| You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not

| needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a

| network, and there is no router used with them.



But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than using

a FireWall application in many respects.



I recently upgraded from a plain NAT Router to a NAT Router with a full FireWall

implementation and I ham very happy with it ability to "rules".



--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
From: "Fuzzy Logic"



| "Rich Barry" wrote in news:O8P6YaSpKHA.4348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl:



>> It's been so long that I forgot I turned off Windows own Firewall.

>> Comodo works fine for me since I am not on a local Network.

>> In the past MS efforts to protect my Computer have been less than

>> adequate. Hence, I don't think of MS as a first line of defense.

>> "Rich Barry" wrote in message

>> news:%235Io%23PRpKHA.5328@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>>> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

>>> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

>>> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free

>>> version combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I

>>> should give SE a try.



| You may find this interesting:



| http://lifehacker.com/5401453/stop-paying-for-windows-security-microsofts-security-

| tools-are-good-enough



| http://lifehacker.com/5433229/microsoft-security-essentials-ranks-as-best+performing-

| free-antivirus



| I have been running MSSE since it came out of beta on both Vista and XP and it's got a

| very small resource

| footprint and apparently does a very good job based on recent testing.



Annecdotal information has shown that what gets past MSE isn't removed well by MSE even

after MSE detected it. MBAM did what MSE couldn't do.



--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500, "David H. Lipman"

wrote:



> From: "Ken Blake, MVP"

>

> | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum wrote:

>

> >> "Anonamoose" écrivait

> >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

>

> >>

>

> >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the

> >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

> >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.

>

> >>

>

> >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

> >> misunderstood?

>

>

> | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not

> | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a

> | network, and there is no router used with them.

>

> But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than using

> a FireWall application in many respects.





Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that

most people don't have a router.







> I recently upgraded from a plain NAT Router to a NAT Router with a full FireWall

> implementation and I ham very happy with it ability to "rules".

>

> --

> Dave

> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

>



--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
Well, truly forgetting that XP had it's own firewall I did indeed

come away with the impression after reading about MSSE that it

did not have a Firewall. At the time that was very curious to me. So, I

decided to ask the question? I should have added and why not? But, thanks

for your contribution to this subject. MS MVP's are always valued.

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message

news:%23qzROnSpKHA.5696@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

> Got Google? =>

> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=does+microsoft+security+essentials+include+firewall?

>

> Do any MSE-specific pages mention that it includes a firewall? (No.)

> http://www.microsoft.com/security_essentials

>

> MSE Support Forums

> http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse

>

> MSE left beta in Oct-09.

> --

> ~Robear Dyer (PA Bear)

> MS MVP-IE, Mail, Security, Windows Client - since 2002

>

>

> Rich Barry wrote:

>> Microsoft has a fairly new program called Security Essentials. Does

>> anybody know if it includes a Firewall? It does talk about

>> anti virus and malware protection. I just started using Comodo Free

>> version

>> combo of Firewall and Antivirus/Malware. Just wondering if I should give

>> SE

>> a try.

>
 
From: "Ken Blake, MVP"



| On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500, "David H. Lipman"

| wrote:



>> From: "Ken Blake, MVP"



>> | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum wrote:



>> >> "Anonamoose" écrivait

>> >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:



>> >>



>> >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the

>> >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

>> >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.



>> >>



>> >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

>> >> misunderstood?





>> | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not

>> | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a

>> | network, and there is no router used with them.



>> But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than

>> using

>> a FireWall application in many respects.





| Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that

| most people don't have a router.







Some do and they don't know it as many newer DSL Modems are DSL Modems+NAT Router.



Many on Cable are screwed as the ONLY have a Cable Modem.



--

Dave

http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
 
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 20:09:31 -0500, "David H. Lipman"

wrote:



> From: "Ken Blake, MVP"

>

> | On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 18:47:15 -0500, "David H. Lipman"

> | wrote:

>

> >> From: "Ken Blake, MVP"

>

> >> | On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 15:05:59 -0800, Doum wrote:

>

> >> >> "Anonamoose" écrivait

> >> >> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

>

> >> >>

>

> >> >> > The router that you inevitably use to access the

> >> >> > internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

> >> >> > firewall actually protecting your computer.

>

> >> >>

>

> >> >> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

> >> >> misunderstood?

>

>

> >> | You didn't misunderstand, and you are right that a router is not

> >> | needed. Moreover the great majority of computers are used without a

> >> | network, and there is no router used with them.

>

> >> But a NAT Router or a NAT Router with a full FireWall implementation is better than

> >> using

> >> a FireWall application in many respects.

>

>

> | Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that

> | most people don't have a router.

>

>

>

> Some do and they don't know it as many newer DSL Modems are DSL Modems+NAT Router.





True. But some--far from everyone.











> Many on Cable are screwed as the ONLY have a Cable Modem.

>

> --

> Dave

> http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html

> Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp

>



--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003

Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
Ken Blake, MVP skrev:

>> | Yep, no question about it. My point wasn't anything else, just that

>> | most people don't have a router.

>>

>>

>>

>> Some do and they don't know it as many newer DSL Modems are DSL Modems+NAT Router.

>

>

> True. But some--far from everyone.

>

Ok, so now you tell us that most people live in the US of A? ;-)



If you take the EU most people DO have a router!



Kindly



Mac, Denmark
 
windows firewall is not any good. I use avast on windows and thats it. I

use smoothwall for a firewall for all my computers. runs as an OS on a

different tower and it does everything for me. it is free open source

and you can't beat it. But unless you are networking you don't need a

firewall. but on your anti-virus question I don't think so, most are

programs to protect and clean. but try it i guess.
 
"Roy Smith" écrivait

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>

> "Doum" wrote in message

> news:XnF9D14B825EE803doumdomainnet@207.46.248.16...

>> "Anonamoose" écrivait

>> news:20235763-6E84-41BC-8D20-F6B0C817000D@microsoft.com:

>>

>>

>>

>>> The router that you inevitably use to access the

>>> internet has a hardware firewall as well which is likely the main

>>> firewall actually protecting your computer.

>>

>>

>>

>> I wasn't aware you needed a router to access the internet, or maybe I

>> misunderstood?

>

> It's not. The only reason you'd want a router is if you had several

> computers and you wanted all of them to use the same internet

> connection (usually DSL or a cable modem). But if you only have one

> PC, then a router is not needed at all.

>



I am aware of that, it's just that when "Anonamoose" said :"The router that

you INEVITABLY use to access the internet...", it implied that a router was

needed to access the net.
 
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