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in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

....in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there, no

temp. problems btw !



running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops responding,

and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048, and

offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and after

a few minutes - PC sailed off into outer space again !



Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan (Spinrite 6

mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed off into outer

space again !



....am I looking at a new motherboard ?



regards, Richard
 
XP randomly sails off into outer space...

"RJK" wrote in message

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> in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

> Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

> Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

> 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

> 3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

> 1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

> 1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

> Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

> ...in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there,

> no temp. problems btw !

>

> running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

> During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops

> responding, and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

> Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

> and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048,

> and offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

> rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and

> after a few minutes - PC sailed off into outer space again !

>

> Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan (Spinrite

> 6 mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed off into

> outer space again !

>

> ...am I looking at a new motherboard ?

>

> regards, Richard

>




SmartFan / S.M.A.R.T. reports the boot hd as healthy, though I can't help

suspecting ST380815AS boot drive is the culprit,

....or the SATA mobo controller ! ...think I'll try imaging boot drive onto

another hd first :-)



regards, Richard
 
On Mar 1, 3:29 am, "RJK" wrote:

> in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

> Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

> Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

> 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

> 3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

> 1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

> 1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

> Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

> ...in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there, no

> temp. problems btw !

>

> running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

> During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops responding,

> and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

> Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

> and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048, and

> offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

> rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and after

> a few minutes  - PC sailed off into outer space again !

>

> Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan (Spinrite 6

> mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed off into outer

> space again !

>

> ...am I looking at a new motherboard ?

>

> regards, Richard






The crystal ball called in sick today.



What is your definition of sailed off into outer space?



System lock ups can be sometime be quickly diagnosed by forcing a blue

screen of death when the system is hung and then examining the crash

dump file.



Is there some reason you are focusing on hardware? Have you tested

your RAM or just replaced it? Why not test it:



Run a test of your RAM with memtest86+ (I know it is boring and will

cost you a CD).



Memtest86+ is a more up to date version of the old memtest program and

they are not the same.



The memtest86+ will not run under Windows, so you will need to

download the ISO file and create a bootable CD, boot on that and then

run the memtest86+ program.



If even a single error is reported that is a failure and should make

you suspicious of your RAM.



If you have multiple sticks of RAM you may need to run the test on

them one at a time and change them out to isolate the failure to a

particular single stick. Always keep at least the first bank of RAM

occupied so the test will find something to do and there is enough to

boot your system.



Sometimes, reseating the RAM in the slots will relieve the error but a

failure is still cause for suspicion.



The file and instructions are here:



http://www.memtest.org/



Why are you changing the paging file size? Do you suspect that is an

issue and why? Not letting Windows manage it adds a another variable

into the troubled equation. Unless you know more about managing

memory than XP, I would leave it alone.



To eliminate questions and guessing, please provide additional

information about your system.



Click Start, Run and in the box enter:



msinfo32



Click OK, and when the System Summary info appears, click Edit, Select

All, Copy and then paste the information back here.



There will be some personal information (like System Name and User

Name), and whatever appears to be private information to you, just

delete it from the pasted information.



Perform some scans for malicious software, then fix any remaining

issues:



Download, install, update and do a full scan with these free malware

detection programs:



Malwarebytes (MBAM): http://malwarebytes.org/

SUPERAntiSpyware: (SAS): http://www.superantispyware.com/



They can be uninstalled later if desired.

Look in the Event Viewer for clues around the time of the incident



Here is a method to post the specific information about individual

events.



To see the Event Viewer logs, click Start, Settings, Control Panel,

Administrative Tools, Event Viewer.



A shortcut to Event Viewer is to click Start, Run and in the box

enter:



%SystemRoot%\system32\eventvwr.msc /s



Click OK to launch the Event Viewer.



The most interesting logs are usually the Application and System.

Some logs may be almost or completely empty.

Not every event is a problem, some are informational messages that

things are working okay and some are warnings.

No event should defy reasonable explanation.



Each event is sorted by Date and Time. Errors will have red Xs,

Warnings will have yellow !s. Information messages have white is.

Not every Error or Warning event means there is a serious issue. Some

are excusable at startup time when Windows is booting. Try to find

just the events at the date and time around your problem.



If you double click an event, it will open a Properties windows with

more information. On the right are black up and down arrow buttons to

scroll through the open events. The third button that looks like two

pages on top of each other is used to copy the event details to your

Windows clipboard.



When you find an interesting event that occurred around the time of

your issue, click the third button under the up and down arrows to

copy the details and then you can paste the details (right click,

Paste or CTRL-V) the detail text back here for analysis.



To get a fresh start on any Event Viewer log, you can choose to clear

the log (backing up the log is offered), then reproduce your issue,

then look at just the events around the time of your issue.
 
RJK wrote:

> in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

> Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

> Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

> 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

> 3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

> 1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

> 1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

> Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

> ...in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there, no

> temp. problems btw !

>

> running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

> During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops responding,

> and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

> Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

> and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048, and

> offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

> rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and after

> a few minutes - PC sailed off into outer space again !

>

> Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan (Spinrite 6

> mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed off into outer

> space again !

>

> ...am I looking at a new motherboard ?

>

> regards, Richard

>




A computer doesn't always "lock". For example, I've had computers where

the desktop display stops responding (giving the impression the computer

is locked). Yet, if I go to a second computer, and issue the "ping"

command from an MSDOS window, pointed to the frozen computer, the

frozen computer manages to return a response. And that tells you the

OS is still running, and just the GUI is broken.



If you see an actual blue screen, the computer might have stopped

executing code at that point. I haven't tried a ping test against

a blue screen computer, because I don't get them here often enough

to test.



If the disk or the SATA interface to the disk were to hang up,

and the disk was your C: drive, it would be pretty hard for the

disk to have any Event Viewer entries added. In that case,

you might be in pretty bad shape, with respect to collecting

information as to what has failed.



Another note. I've noticed here, that SATA drives do not have

a guaranteed reset capability. When you push the reset button

on the front of the computer, there is no guarantee that a

hung drive will recover. I've had one instance here, where I

needed to turn off the power on the computer, before one

of my SATA drives would again communicate with the computer.

So the path from the reset button to the drive, doesn't actually

work. It means whatever info that travels over the SATA cable,

is not guaranteed to achieve control over the drive. With the

engineers I've worked with, this would earn you a "fail" when

your design is reviewed. I've never had that happen on an

IDE drive, so the parallel ribbon cable must have a better

scheme to guarantee the drive can be reset.



And when we look here, pin 1 of the IDE interface is called

"RESET", which is why you'll always have control of an IDE

drive. There is no "RESET" wire on a SATA cable.



http://pinouts.ru/HD/AtaInternal_pinout.shtml



Of course, a drive shouldn't hang up in the first place.

But I find it interesting, that one of my drives, did do that,

and the drive continues to function perfectly well. It isn't

a bad disk or anything. SMART is still good, and no other

complaints.



It could be a problem with your disk interface on the motherboard.



It could be a problem with the driver for that interface.



If I were you, I might try a Linux LiveCD, and do some testing

with entirely different software. And see whether there are

still problems or not. A modern Linux LiveCD can access NTFS

and FAT32 drives, so you shouldn't have a problem browsing the

disk. Examples of Linux LiveCDs are Ubuntu and Knoppix. There

are actually a lot more LiveCD distros now, but those are popular

ones. You can boot a LiveCD, without needing to install any software.

All the executed code comes right off the CD, and the CD stays

in the tray until you're finished with running the OS.



To read a lot of data off the hard drive in Linux, you can use "dd".

For example, this test will read an entire hard drive, and

discard the read data. The "dev" naming convention, varies with

disk interface type, so the name of the drive is unlikely to be

guaranteed to be "hda". That is just an example. I have some

here that are "sda", "sdb" etc.



dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null



When that command is running, you'd see the disk light on most

of the time. To stop that test, press C.



HTH,

Paul
 
On 3/1/2010 12:29 AM On a whim, RJK pounded out on the keyboard



> in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

> Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

> Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

> 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

> 3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

> 1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

> 1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

> Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

> ...in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there, no

> temp. problems btw !

>

> running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

> During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops responding,

> and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

> Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

> and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048, and

> offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

> rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and after

> a few minutes - PC sailed off into outer space again !

>

> Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan (Spinrite 6

> mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed off into outer

> space again !

>

> ...am I looking at a new motherboard ?

>

> regards, Richard

>

>

>




Hi Richard,



I have to figure that "PC sailed off into outer space" means that it

locked or froze.



I had a workstation that XP started randomly freezing. I tried

EVERYTHING. I even removed the XP partition and installed XP clean to

no avail. I have 5 OS's on this workstation and none of the others

froze. In the last 2 weeks, I have unplugged 2 external USB modems that

this workstation uses to answer 2 phone lines and faxes. It hasn't

locked up once. I believe I finally found the answer (have no idea why

the other OS's didn't lock).



So in your t-shooting, also disconnect any devices that may be connected

to it and see if it still locks up.





Terry R.

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XP randomly sails off into outer space...

On Mar 1, 11:30 am, "RJK" wrote:

> "RJK" wrote in message

>

> news:exqcWlRuKHA.4908@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...

>

>

>

> > in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

> > Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

> > Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

> > 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

> > 3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

> > 1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

> > 1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

> > Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

> > ...in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there,

> > no temp. problems btw !


>

> > running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

> > During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops

> > responding, and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

> > Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

> > and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048,

> > and offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

> > rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and

> > after a few minutes  - PC sailed off into outer space again !


>

> > Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan (Spinrite

> > 6 mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed off into

> > outer space again !


>

> > ...am I looking at a new motherboard ?


>

> > regards, Richard


>

> SmartFan / S.M.A.R.T. reports the boot hd as healthy, though I can't help

> suspecting ST380815AS boot drive is the culprit,

> ...or the SATA mobo controller !  ...think I'll try imaging boot drive onto

> another hd first :-)

>

> regards, Richard




Do not rely on third part SMART tools. Get the manufacturer's

diagnostic (STxxxx = Seagate)



Mother would not be the only cause. Causes:



-- Wrong RAM type

-- Wrong RAM speed

-- Bad drivers

-- "Virus"

-- Spyware

-- HiJacked system

-- Bad PSU or "under powered" PSU

-- Defective cables

-- Poor quality power

-- Bad / Missing "grounding" on power outlet

-- Corrupted XP files
 
"Paul" wrote in message

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> RJK wrote:

>> in XP Home SP3+ Windows Normal mode, my old :-

>> Asus M3N78 (no suffix to mb model no.)

>> Athlon 64 x2 6000 Windsor cpu + Arctic Cooler heatpipe job

>> 2x1gb Crucial Ballistix

>> 3xSataII hd's (connected to mobo Sata ports),

>> 1xIDE LG dvd-rewriter connected to motherboard IDE port,

>> 1xPCIe x1 SIL3132 Sata card with a dvd-rom drive connected to it.

>> Camera card reader connected to internal USB pin header,

>> ...in Antec Solo case + Antec modular psu with no dust bunnies in there,

>> no temp. problems btw !

>>

>> running lovely for over a year, probably 2 years, ..or more,

>> During the past couple of weeks in Windows Normal mode, PC stops

>> responding, and ignores me, and I have to reboot.

>> Last night, swapped out memory for 2x512mb Crucial ddr2 667 modules,

>> and this morning changed set swap file size to min. 1536 and max. 2048,

>> and offline defragged with PerfectDisk 10,

>> rebooted to Windows Normal mode and started a PerfectDisk defrag, and

>> after a few minutes - PC sailed off into outer space again !

>>

>> Booted up with bootable Spinrite 6 cd and started a full hd scan

>> (Spinrite 6 mode "4"), and after it had scanned a few sectors - PC sailed

>> off into outer space again !

>>

>> ...am I looking at a new motherboard ?

>>

>> regards, Richard

>>


>

> A computer doesn't always "lock". For example, I've had computers where

> the desktop display stops responding (giving the impression the computer

> is locked). Yet, if I go to a second computer, and issue the "ping"

> command from an MSDOS window, pointed to the frozen computer, the

> frozen computer manages to return a response. And that tells you the

> OS is still running, and just the GUI is broken.

>

> If you see an actual blue screen, the computer might have stopped

> executing code at that point. I haven't tried a ping test against

> a blue screen computer, because I don't get them here often enough

> to test.

>

> If the disk or the SATA interface to the disk were to hang up,

> and the disk was your C: drive, it would be pretty hard for the

> disk to have any Event Viewer entries added. In that case,

> you might be in pretty bad shape, with respect to collecting

> information as to what has failed.

>

> Another note. I've noticed here, that SATA drives do not have

> a guaranteed reset capability. When you push the reset button

> on the front of the computer, there is no guarantee that a

> hung drive will recover. I've had one instance here, where I

> needed to turn off the power on the computer, before one

> of my SATA drives would again communicate with the computer.

> So the path from the reset button to the drive, doesn't actually

> work. It means whatever info that travels over the SATA cable,

> is not guaranteed to achieve control over the drive. With the

> engineers I've worked with, this would earn you a "fail" when

> your design is reviewed. I've never had that happen on an

> IDE drive, so the parallel ribbon cable must have a better

> scheme to guarantee the drive can be reset.

>

> And when we look here, pin 1 of the IDE interface is called

> "RESET", which is why you'll always have control of an IDE

> drive. There is no "RESET" wire on a SATA cable.

>

> http://pinouts.ru/HD/AtaInternal_pinout.shtml

>

> Of course, a drive shouldn't hang up in the first place.

> But I find it interesting, that one of my drives, did do that,

> and the drive continues to function perfectly well. It isn't

> a bad disk or anything. SMART is still good, and no other

> complaints.

>

> It could be a problem with your disk interface on the motherboard.

>

> It could be a problem with the driver for that interface.

>

> If I were you, I might try a Linux LiveCD, and do some testing

> with entirely different software. And see whether there are

> still problems or not. A modern Linux LiveCD can access NTFS

> and FAT32 drives, so you shouldn't have a problem browsing the

> disk. Examples of Linux LiveCDs are Ubuntu and Knoppix. There

> are actually a lot more LiveCD distros now, but those are popular

> ones. You can boot a LiveCD, without needing to install any software.

> All the executed code comes right off the CD, and the CD stays

> in the tray until you're finished with running the OS.

>

> To read a lot of data off the hard drive in Linux, you can use "dd".

> For example, this test will read an entire hard drive, and

> discard the read data. The "dev" naming convention, varies with

> disk interface type, so the name of the drive is unlikely to be

> guaranteed to be "hda". That is just an example. I have some

> here that are "sda", "sdb" etc.

>

> dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null

>

> When that command is running, you'd see the disk light on most

> of the time. To stop that test, press C.

>

> HTH,

> Paul




Boy oh boy, you ARE intuitive, (as well as brilliant of course!),

re: my "thankyou" to all responders, on this thread, ...amidst my

ramblings - I wondered if it was simply a bad SATA connector - contacts had

got weak - hence poor interference etc.



....many thanks,



Richard



.....I must be getting old, ..why it didn't occur to me to swap them out

...eludes me, ...though as in my other post I did, eventually notice a "not

very" titgh fitting Sata connector.
 
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