Is it game over for Windows Vista?

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Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista?
http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-Windows-Vista-.aspx

By Damian Francis, 5/22/2008 4:14:46 PM

The saviour that was meant to be, Vista Service Pack 1, isn't. In some cases
it's actually a performance decrease for an operating system already
grinding up-to-date PCs to a halt. XP fans (for the most part) are happily
using Service Pack 3, and Windows 7 (formerly known as Blackcomb) is barking
at the gates (or should that be Gates?), ready for an early release in Q3
2009. Windows Vista never stood a chance.


Not much has gone right for Microsoft's fledgling OS. First it was delayed
over three years (initially it was meant to be a stopgap between XP and 7,
but then turned into a fully fledged OS), then stories of incompatible
software and drivers surfaced. Most recently Vista Service Pack 1 was pulled
from Automatic Download. Now that it's back up and running it could very
well be the one and only service pack ever released for the struggling OS.

Microsoft has shot itself in the foot in two ways with regards to Vista.
Firstly, it went ahead with the release of Service Pack 3 for the hugely
popular Windows XP. Secondly, its progress on Windows 7 and its potential
release ahead of schedule has been extensively covered by the media. What
this means is that consumers who were reluctant to switch from a perfectly
reliable XP SP2 to Vista now have no reason to. They have a fresh upgrade in
SP3 that should be able to see them through the roughly 1.5 years until
Windows 7 hits shelves.

No matter what kind of reluctant computer user you are, swapping to Vista
just doesn't make sense anymore. There are a few different perspectives you
can look at it from. It's hard to come up with reasons for broad groups of
computer users, like gamers, business users and home users to migrate to
Vista as well.

Gamers especially should be running for the hills whenever they hear the
word Vista. Yes, it's the only way you can get DirectX 10, but is that
really a big enough carrot to dangle in front of gamers? Not by a long shot.
While DirectX 10 delivers a significant improvement in graphics, Vista
provides a significant drop off in performance, even with SP1. In fact, it's
been proven that installing SP1 could actually make your PC slower. What's
more, over a year after Vista was released, there still isn't a compelling
enough library of games that make good enough use of DirectX 10 to justify
the upgrade (around 20 only if Wikipedia is to be believed). It's no wonder
gaming PC manufacturers like Alienware and NRG by Altech have only just
switched over to supplying their machines with Vista.

Business users are in the same boat. Most important to them is reliability
and security. But Vista isn't any better than XP in either reliability or
security. Most of the security issues with XP were fixed with SP2 and even
more have been fixed with SP3. Any additional problems are more than likely
to have been dealt with by third party tools and applications. Reliability
is a non-contest. XP has a five-year head start. Add to this the fact that
the reason SP1 was pulled from Automatic Download was an issue with
Microsoft's Dynamic RMS software used by small to medium businesses and the
Vista doesn't seem all that welcoming.

Furthermore, business users are well aware of the fact that there are still
plenty of drivers and software that won't play nice with the OS, a
particular problem for small businesses requiring obscure software.
Financially, it wouldn't be a smart idea for them either. The cost of
upgrading an entire company to Windows Vista can't be justified if another
operating system is just around the corner.

Even general home users have no reason to upgrade. This is the group that
doesn't mind using technology that's not at the forefront. They use PCs for
email, music, the Internet and minesweeper. Upgrading from XP to Vista will
likely turn a working PC into a sloth if users have less than 2GB of memory,
and it can become quite costly if they need to upgrade their PC's specs to
handle the transition on top of purchasing the OS.

If they wait a year and a half they'll have a new computer with Windows 7.
And so far the signs are good that Windows 7 will definitely be worth the
wait. Rumours suggest that it will include a completely new user interface,
inbuilt virtualisation to run old software (please let it be true), and an
all-new kernel. The simple fact is Microsoft can't make the same mistakes as
it has with Vista. Those boys and girls at Redmond are smart cookies, even
if they do make the odd slip up (what the hell was Windows Me?), so you can
expect Windows 7 to have learnt from its predecessor's mistakes.

Vista hasn't been a commercial flop though. Since it went on sale in January
2007, Microsoft reports that it has sold over 140 million copies of the
operating system. But as Mark Raby of TG daily pointed out, Vista sales
actually defy consumer demand. If you buy a new computer you get a copy of
Vista, whether you like it or not. The demand for downgrading has been so
strong that HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu and Gateway, among others, have all
jumped on the downgrade bandwagon. Fujitsu even included an XP disc with
some of the Vista computers. But to downgrade you first need to buy a
computer with a copy of Vista. Game, set, match, Microsoft.

The cat's out of the bag now, you simply don't need Vista. Microsoft could
have kept the gravy train going quite easily by abandoning XP SP3 and/or
concealing its release plans for Windows 7. For some reason Microsoft
decided it would be a good idea to publicise a possible 2009 release for
Windows 7 while giving off mixed signals with XP by halting sales of new
computers with the OS but releasing the SP3 upgrade. Consumers should
probably be thankful for this though. Without SP3 and knowing the release
date for Windows 7 it would have been a safe assumption that Vista would
have a long shelf life, considering the delays and the amount of money that
went into its production. Initially it was earmarked as the next big thing
for Microsoft, indeed the next Windows 95 almost. Instead, Microsoft has
just created Windows Me 2.

Do you think Windows Vista is tops or a flop? Discuss it in our forums.
 
One of the main reasons for Vista sales has been the fact that most retailers
did NOT tell customers that they could still buy XP.

I strike it day in, day out with new customers of mine running Vista!
They feel like they have been conned; and they have!

And as for fast Networking in business situations with Vista; forget it!
--
Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia


"Clear Windows" wrote:

> Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista?
> http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-Windows-Vista-.aspx
>
> By Damian Francis, 5/22/2008 4:14:46 PM
>
> The saviour that was meant to be, Vista Service Pack 1, isn't. In some cases
> it's actually a performance decrease for an operating system already
> grinding up-to-date PCs to a halt. XP fans (for the most part) are happily
> using Service Pack 3, and Windows 7 (formerly known as Blackcomb) is barking
> at the gates (or should that be Gates?), ready for an early release in Q3
> 2009. Windows Vista never stood a chance.
>
>
> Not much has gone right for Microsoft's fledgling OS. First it was delayed
> over three years (initially it was meant to be a stopgap between XP and 7,
> but then turned into a fully fledged OS), then stories of incompatible
> software and drivers surfaced. Most recently Vista Service Pack 1 was pulled
> from Automatic Download. Now that it's back up and running it could very
> well be the one and only service pack ever released for the struggling OS.
>
> Microsoft has shot itself in the foot in two ways with regards to Vista.
> Firstly, it went ahead with the release of Service Pack 3 for the hugely
> popular Windows XP. Secondly, its progress on Windows 7 and its potential
> release ahead of schedule has been extensively covered by the media. What
> this means is that consumers who were reluctant to switch from a perfectly
> reliable XP SP2 to Vista now have no reason to. They have a fresh upgrade in
> SP3 that should be able to see them through the roughly 1.5 years until
> Windows 7 hits shelves.
>
> No matter what kind of reluctant computer user you are, swapping to Vista
> just doesn't make sense anymore. There are a few different perspectives you
> can look at it from. It's hard to come up with reasons for broad groups of
> computer users, like gamers, business users and home users to migrate to
> Vista as well.
>
> Gamers especially should be running for the hills whenever they hear the
> word Vista. Yes, it's the only way you can get DirectX 10, but is that
> really a big enough carrot to dangle in front of gamers? Not by a long shot.
> While DirectX 10 delivers a significant improvement in graphics, Vista
> provides a significant drop off in performance, even with SP1. In fact, it's
> been proven that installing SP1 could actually make your PC slower. What's
> more, over a year after Vista was released, there still isn't a compelling
> enough library of games that make good enough use of DirectX 10 to justify
> the upgrade (around 20 only if Wikipedia is to be believed). It's no wonder
> gaming PC manufacturers like Alienware and NRG by Altech have only just
> switched over to supplying their machines with Vista.
>
> Business users are in the same boat. Most important to them is reliability
> and security. But Vista isn't any better than XP in either reliability or
> security. Most of the security issues with XP were fixed with SP2 and even
> more have been fixed with SP3. Any additional problems are more than likely
> to have been dealt with by third party tools and applications. Reliability
> is a non-contest. XP has a five-year head start. Add to this the fact that
> the reason SP1 was pulled from Automatic Download was an issue with
> Microsoft's Dynamic RMS software used by small to medium businesses and the
> Vista doesn't seem all that welcoming.
>
> Furthermore, business users are well aware of the fact that there are still
> plenty of drivers and software that won't play nice with the OS, a
> particular problem for small businesses requiring obscure software.
> Financially, it wouldn't be a smart idea for them either. The cost of
> upgrading an entire company to Windows Vista can't be justified if another
> operating system is just around the corner.
>
> Even general home users have no reason to upgrade. This is the group that
> doesn't mind using technology that's not at the forefront. They use PCs for
> email, music, the Internet and minesweeper. Upgrading from XP to Vista will
> likely turn a working PC into a sloth if users have less than 2GB of memory,
> and it can become quite costly if they need to upgrade their PC's specs to
> handle the transition on top of purchasing the OS.
>
> If they wait a year and a half they'll have a new computer with Windows 7.
> And so far the signs are good that Windows 7 will definitely be worth the
> wait. Rumours suggest that it will include a completely new user interface,
> inbuilt virtualisation to run old software (please let it be true), and an
> all-new kernel. The simple fact is Microsoft can't make the same mistakes as
> it has with Vista. Those boys and girls at Redmond are smart cookies, even
> if they do make the odd slip up (what the hell was Windows Me?), so you can
> expect Windows 7 to have learnt from its predecessor's mistakes.
>
> Vista hasn't been a commercial flop though. Since it went on sale in January
> 2007, Microsoft reports that it has sold over 140 million copies of the
> operating system. But as Mark Raby of TG daily pointed out, Vista sales
> actually defy consumer demand. If you buy a new computer you get a copy of
> Vista, whether you like it or not. The demand for downgrading has been so
> strong that HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu and Gateway, among others, have all
> jumped on the downgrade bandwagon. Fujitsu even included an XP disc with
> some of the Vista computers. But to downgrade you first need to buy a
> computer with a copy of Vista. Game, set, match, Microsoft.
>
> The cat's out of the bag now, you simply don't need Vista. Microsoft could
> have kept the gravy train going quite easily by abandoning XP SP3 and/or
> concealing its release plans for Windows 7. For some reason Microsoft
> decided it would be a good idea to publicise a possible 2009 release for
> Windows 7 while giving off mixed signals with XP by halting sales of new
> computers with the OS but releasing the SP3 upgrade. Consumers should
> probably be thankful for this though. Without SP3 and knowing the release
> date for Windows 7 it would have been a safe assumption that Vista would
> have a long shelf life, considering the delays and the amount of money that
> went into its production. Initially it was earmarked as the next big thing
> for Microsoft, indeed the next Windows 95 almost. Instead, Microsoft has
> just created Windows Me 2.
>
> Do you think Windows Vista is tops or a flop? Discuss it in our forums.
>
>
>
>
>
 
Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
2 years.
--

"Clear Windows" <carlferedeck@wizzmail.com> wrote in message
news:483a7fad@newsgate.x-privat.org...
> Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista?
> http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-Windows-Vista-.aspx
>
> By Damian Francis, 5/22/2008 4:14:46 PM
>
> The saviour that was meant to be, Vista Service Pack 1, isn't. In some
> cases it's actually a performance decrease for an operating system already
> grinding up-to-date PCs to a halt. XP fans (for the most part) are happily
> using Service Pack 3, and Windows 7 (formerly known as Blackcomb) is
> barking at the gates (or should that be Gates?), ready for an early
> release in Q3 2009. Windows Vista never stood a chance.
 
GTS wrote:
> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
> considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
> mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
> substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
> unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
> of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
> proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
> 2 years.


Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta
testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I
didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the
early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at
LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7.
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:17:11 -0500, Milt <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com>
wrote:

>GTS wrote:
>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
>> considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
>> mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
>> substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
>> unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
>> of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
>> proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
>> 2 years.

>
>Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta
> testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I
>didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the
>early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at
>LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7.


What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be
bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for
prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The
fanboys haven't learned that yet.
 
Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:17:11 -0500, Milt <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com>
> wrote:
>
>> GTS wrote:
>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
>>> considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
>>> mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
>>> substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
>>> unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
>>> of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
>>> proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
>>> 2 years.

>> Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta
>> testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I
>> didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the
>> early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at
>> LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7.

>
> What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be
> bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for
> prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The
> fanboys haven't learned that yet.
>


You know, you are a fanboy yourself. You are a fanboy of Howdy Duty and
Ronald MacDonald the grates of the clown profession in their own rights.
And you have become a non-professional Internet clown that doesn't get
paid to be a clown, a super clown and a super fanboy of clowns.
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 15:53:11 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:17:11 -0500, Milt <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> GTS wrote:
>>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
>>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
>>>> considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
>>>> mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
>>>> substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
>>>> unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
>>>> of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
>>>> proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
>>>> 2 years.
>>> Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta
>>> testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I
>>> didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the
>>> early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at
>>> LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7.

>>
>> What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be
>> bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for
>> prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The
>> fanboys haven't learned that yet.
>>

>
>You know, you are a fanboy yourself. You are a fanboy of Howdy Duty and
>Ronald MacDonald the grates of the clown profession in their own rights.
>And you have become a non-professional Internet clown that doesn't get
>paid to be a clown, a super clown and a super fanboy of clowns.


Amazing how the truth about Microsoft brings out a nasty streak in
blowhards like yourself. <snicker>
 
"Mick Murphy" <MickMurphy@discussions.microsoft.com> a écrit dans le message
de news:088CBB9E-545C-433D-BDAD-4D6B0D583FBA@microsoft.com...
> One of the main reasons for Vista sales has been the fact that most
> retailers
> did NOT tell customers that they could still buy XP.
>
> I strike it day in, day out with new customers of mine running Vista!
> They feel like they have been conned; and they have!


That's why I won't buy Windows 7, and certainly not after paying a V*sta
licence for only a couple of years' use. Bye bye Microsoft, and good
riddance.

Regards


>
> And as for fast Networking in business situations with Vista; forget it!
> --
> Mick Murphy - Qld - Australia
>
>
> "Clear Windows" wrote:
>
>> Analyses: Is it game over for Windows Vista?
>> http://loader.gadgetzone.com.au/Reviews/May-2008/Analyses--Is-it-game-over-for-Windows-Vista-.aspx
>>
>> By Damian Francis, 5/22/2008 4:14:46 PM
>>
>> The saviour that was meant to be, Vista Service Pack 1, isn't. In some
>> cases
>> it's actually a performance decrease for an operating system already
>> grinding up-to-date PCs to a halt. XP fans (for the most part) are
>> happily
>> using Service Pack 3, and Windows 7 (formerly known as Blackcomb) is
>> barking
>> at the gates (or should that be Gates?), ready for an early release in Q3
>> 2009. Windows Vista never stood a chance.
>>
>>
>> Not much has gone right for Microsoft's fledgling OS. First it was
>> delayed
>> over three years (initially it was meant to be a stopgap between XP and
>> 7,
>> but then turned into a fully fledged OS), then stories of incompatible
>> software and drivers surfaced. Most recently Vista Service Pack 1 was
>> pulled
>> from Automatic Download. Now that it's back up and running it could very
>> well be the one and only service pack ever released for the struggling
>> OS.
>>
>> Microsoft has shot itself in the foot in two ways with regards to Vista.
>> Firstly, it went ahead with the release of Service Pack 3 for the hugely
>> popular Windows XP. Secondly, its progress on Windows 7 and its potential
>> release ahead of schedule has been extensively covered by the media. What
>> this means is that consumers who were reluctant to switch from a
>> perfectly
>> reliable XP SP2 to Vista now have no reason to. They have a fresh upgrade
>> in
>> SP3 that should be able to see them through the roughly 1.5 years until
>> Windows 7 hits shelves.
>>
>> No matter what kind of reluctant computer user you are, swapping to Vista
>> just doesn't make sense anymore. There are a few different perspectives
>> you
>> can look at it from. It's hard to come up with reasons for broad groups
>> of
>> computer users, like gamers, business users and home users to migrate to
>> Vista as well.
>>
>> Gamers especially should be running for the hills whenever they hear the
>> word Vista. Yes, it's the only way you can get DirectX 10, but is that
>> really a big enough carrot to dangle in front of gamers? Not by a long
>> shot.
>> While DirectX 10 delivers a significant improvement in graphics, Vista
>> provides a significant drop off in performance, even with SP1. In fact,
>> it's
>> been proven that installing SP1 could actually make your PC slower.
>> What's
>> more, over a year after Vista was released, there still isn't a
>> compelling
>> enough library of games that make good enough use of DirectX 10 to
>> justify
>> the upgrade (around 20 only if Wikipedia is to be believed). It's no
>> wonder
>> gaming PC manufacturers like Alienware and NRG by Altech have only just
>> switched over to supplying their machines with Vista.
>>
>> Business users are in the same boat. Most important to them is
>> reliability
>> and security. But Vista isn't any better than XP in either reliability or
>> security. Most of the security issues with XP were fixed with SP2 and
>> even
>> more have been fixed with SP3. Any additional problems are more than
>> likely
>> to have been dealt with by third party tools and applications.
>> Reliability
>> is a non-contest. XP has a five-year head start. Add to this the fact
>> that
>> the reason SP1 was pulled from Automatic Download was an issue with
>> Microsoft's Dynamic RMS software used by small to medium businesses and
>> the
>> Vista doesn't seem all that welcoming.
>>
>> Furthermore, business users are well aware of the fact that there are
>> still
>> plenty of drivers and software that won't play nice with the OS, a
>> particular problem for small businesses requiring obscure software.
>> Financially, it wouldn't be a smart idea for them either. The cost of
>> upgrading an entire company to Windows Vista can't be justified if
>> another
>> operating system is just around the corner.
>>
>> Even general home users have no reason to upgrade. This is the group that
>> doesn't mind using technology that's not at the forefront. They use PCs
>> for
>> email, music, the Internet and minesweeper. Upgrading from XP to Vista
>> will
>> likely turn a working PC into a sloth if users have less than 2GB of
>> memory,
>> and it can become quite costly if they need to upgrade their PC's specs
>> to
>> handle the transition on top of purchasing the OS.
>>
>> If they wait a year and a half they'll have a new computer with Windows
>> 7.
>> And so far the signs are good that Windows 7 will definitely be worth the
>> wait. Rumours suggest that it will include a completely new user
>> interface,
>> inbuilt virtualisation to run old software (please let it be true), and
>> an
>> all-new kernel. The simple fact is Microsoft can't make the same mistakes
>> as
>> it has with Vista. Those boys and girls at Redmond are smart cookies,
>> even
>> if they do make the odd slip up (what the hell was Windows Me?), so you
>> can
>> expect Windows 7 to have learnt from its predecessor's mistakes.
>>
>> Vista hasn't been a commercial flop though. Since it went on sale in
>> January
>> 2007, Microsoft reports that it has sold over 140 million copies of the
>> operating system. But as Mark Raby of TG daily pointed out, Vista sales
>> actually defy consumer demand. If you buy a new computer you get a copy
>> of
>> Vista, whether you like it or not. The demand for downgrading has been so
>> strong that HP, Dell, Lenovo, Fujitsu and Gateway, among others, have all
>> jumped on the downgrade bandwagon. Fujitsu even included an XP disc with
>> some of the Vista computers. But to downgrade you first need to buy a
>> computer with a copy of Vista. Game, set, match, Microsoft.
>>
>> The cat's out of the bag now, you simply don't need Vista. Microsoft
>> could
>> have kept the gravy train going quite easily by abandoning XP SP3 and/or
>> concealing its release plans for Windows 7. For some reason Microsoft
>> decided it would be a good idea to publicise a possible 2009 release for
>> Windows 7 while giving off mixed signals with XP by halting sales of new
>> computers with the OS but releasing the SP3 upgrade. Consumers should
>> probably be thankful for this though. Without SP3 and knowing the release
>> date for Windows 7 it would have been a safe assumption that Vista would
>> have a long shelf life, considering the delays and the amount of money
>> that
>> went into its production. Initially it was earmarked as the next big
>> thing
>> for Microsoft, indeed the next Windows 95 almost. Instead, Microsoft has
>> just created Windows Me 2.
>>
>> Do you think Windows Vista is tops or a flop? Discuss it in our forums.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
 
Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 15:53:11 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:
>
>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:17:11 -0500, Milt <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GTS wrote:
>>>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
>>>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
>>>>> considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
>>>>> mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
>>>>> substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
>>>>> unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
>>>>> of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
>>>>> proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
>>>>> 2 years.
>>>> Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta
>>>> testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I
>>>> didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the
>>>> early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at
>>>> LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7.
>>> What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be
>>> bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for
>>> prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The
>>> fanboys haven't learned that yet.
>>>

>> You know, you are a fanboy yourself. You are a fanboy of Howdy Duty and
>> Ronald MacDonald the grates of the clown profession in their own rights.
>> And you have become a non-professional Internet clown that doesn't get
>> paid to be a clown, a super clown and a super fanboy of clowns.

>
> Amazing how the truth about Microsoft brings out a nasty streak in
> blowhards like yourself. <snicker>
>


I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your
snake in the grass character. There is no other agenda here fool but to
mess with you and your one track mind. You are an easy target with a big
mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the
Internet and this NG in your otherwise sorry and worthless existence on
this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past
your prime.
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:02:36 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 15:53:11 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:
>>
>>> Adam Albright wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 14:17:11 -0500, Milt <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> GTS wrote:
>>>>>> Windows 7 is vaporware. The author sounds remarkably naive to be so sure
>>>>>> about such a fast release of a greatly improved product. Vista has dropped
>>>>>> considerably in my professional estimation in the last few months due the
>>>>>> mediocre quality of SP1, widespread USB device problems, and lack of any
>>>>>> substantive reason to expect much improvement. Unfortunately though,
>>>>>> unlike Windows ME, Vista was not intended to be a stop gap while development
>>>>>> of the next system was far along. It is hard to take seriously the
>>>>>> proposition that MS can develop a substantially improved new OS in less than
>>>>>> 2 years.
>>>>> Exactly, especially since an OS usually needs about a year or 2 for beta
>>>>> testing. Has anyone actually seen any beta test builds of Win 7? I
>>>>> didn't think so. Everything I've been hearing is that Win 7 is in the
>>>>> early stages. Keeping that in mind, we probably won't see betas for at
>>>>> LEAST a year! I'd say 2010 or 2011 for Win7.
>>>> What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be
>>>> bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for
>>>> prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The
>>>> fanboys haven't learned that yet.
>>>>
>>> You know, you are a fanboy yourself. You are a fanboy of Howdy Duty and
>>> Ronald MacDonald the grates of the clown profession in their own rights.
>>> And you have become a non-professional Internet clown that doesn't get
>>> paid to be a clown, a super clown and a super fanboy of clowns.

>>
>> Amazing how the truth about Microsoft brings out a nasty streak in
>> blowhards like yourself. <snicker>
>>

>
>I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your
>snake in the grass character.


Oh poor little baby, did I hurt your feeling, have your mommy pat you
on your head so you feel better.

>There is no other agenda here fool but to
>mess with you and your one track mind.


So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are
you.

>You are an easy target with a big
>mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the
>Internet and this NG in your otherwise sorry and worthless existence on
>this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past
>your prime.


You're confusing me with the well known resident and all around moron
Frank that lives in this newsgroup.
 
Adam Albright wrote:

>> I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your
>> snake in the grass character.

>
> Oh poor little baby, did I hurt your feeling, have your mommy pat you
> on your head so you feel better.


The only one you're hurting is yourself with your actions. Are you this
old and crazy that it's beyond your abilities to realize your actions,
which have eroded due to your medications?
>
>> There is no other agenda here fool but to
>> mess with you and your one track mind.

>
> So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are
> you.


It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you
would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it.

>
>> You are an easy target with a big
>> mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the
>> Internet and this NG in your otherwise sorry and worthless existence on
>> this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past
>> your prime.

>
> You're confusing me with the well known resident and all around moron
> Frank that lives in this newsgroup.
>


No, I see you clearly crawling around in the grass in broad day light
when you have your strength due to a couple of glasses of Geritol, old
snake.
 
"Linux1" <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote in message
news:eE88Sn3vIHA.1688@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>>> I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your
>>> snake in the grass character.

>>
>> Oh poor little baby, did I hurt your feeling, have your mommy pat you
>> on your head so you feel better.

>
> The only one you're hurting is yourself with your actions. Are you this
> old and crazy that it's beyond your abilities to realize your actions,
> which have eroded due to your medications?
>>
>>> There is no other agenda here fool but to mess with you and your one
>>> track mind.

>>
>> So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are
>> you.

>
> It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you
> would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it.
>
>>
>>> You are an easy target with a big mouth that needs to be seen. You don't
>>> have anything else going but the Internet and this NG in your otherwise
>>> sorry and worthless existence on this Earth. Your life has become
>>> pitiful, because you are old and past your prime.

>>
>> You're confusing me with the well known resident and all around moron
>> Frank that lives in this newsgroup.

>
> No, I see you clearly crawling around in the grass in broad day light when
> you have your strength due to a couple of glasses of Geritol, old snake.


Sounds like Frank alright.
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:45:24 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:

>>> There is no other agenda here fool but to
>>> mess with you and your one track mind.

>>
>> So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are
>> you.

>
>It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you
>would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it.


Well doofus, I treat people like they treat me. You're nice, I'm nice,
you want to act a smartass, I'll simply turn it around and make you
look even more stupid and slice and dice you into hundreds of pieces.
Your choice as always. HOW I treat people is directly proportional to
how they respond to me and others. So you're own worst enemy but
obviously too dumb to know it. I see you like the idiot Frank are very
easy to annoy and I have no trouble at all getting under your skin. So
I should add temper, temper little man, you make it way too easy.
 
Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:45:24 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:
>
>>>> There is no other agenda here fool but to
>>>> mess with you and your one track mind.
>>> So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are
>>> you.

>> It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you
>> would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it.

>
> Well doofus, I treat people like they treat me.


You must have been treated bad out of your mama's womb from the outset,
some kind of head trauma like a kick in your head instead of a slap on
your behind.

> You're nice, I'm nice,
> you want to act a smartass, I'll simply turn it around and make you
> look even more stupid and slice and dice you into hundreds of pieces.


You seem to have murderous intentions on you mind. Do you always have
those kind of thoughts? Where is the wagon headed to the asylum that
needs to pick you up? You are a danger and a menace to society if
someone like you is walking around in society. Albright, you may be a
distant relative of Jack the Ripper, and you don't know it.

> Your choice as always. HOW I treat people is directly proportional to
> how they respond to me and others.


That is so much snake-oil that I find it hard to believe that it's
coming out of your snake mouth. All one has to have is the word
Microsoft or Vista on his or her breath to watch you act sub-human as
your reply. ;-) What is it that you think you're doing if you don't see
yourself looking like a lunatic?

Why do you do the things that you do? Why do a couple of words send you
into a frenzy when you see them?


> So you're own worst enemy but
> obviously too dumb to know it. I see you like the idiot Frank are very
> easy to annoy and I have no trouble at all getting under your skin. So
> I should add temper, temper little man, you make it way too easy.
>


<VBG> and lol you think I a mad at you. ;-) It's just observation here
old boy about your continuous lunacy and your rabid dog behavior that
even makes me play the game and push your button. Your barking is loud,
and the foam dripping from you fangs is study. You are a silly old man
that has no life, face it. ;-) There is no excuse for you other than you
are crazy. ;-)

It doesn't take much to push an old crazy man's button like you and
watch you act truly crazy. ;-)

LOL, LOL and LOL this old man is really crazy.

I really do think you want to marry Frank. He is on your mind all of
time. It's ridiculous. <g>
 
On Mon, 26 May 2008 23:43:31 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:

>Adam Albright wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 17:45:24 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> There is no other agenda here fool but to
>>>>> mess with you and your one track mind.
>>>> So you just admitted what I accused you of. You're not too swift are
>>>> you.
>>> It's not about being swift stupid. It's about treating people like you
>>> would expect to be treated. You are incapable of doing it.

>>
>> Well doofus, I treat people like they treat me.

>
>You must have been treated bad out of your mama's womb from the outset,
>some kind of head trauma like a kick in your head instead of a slap on
>your behind.


Every time some nut job starts to talk like you are now I check the
header. Hint: You need to do a better job of trying to hide your
identity moron.
 
Adam Albright wrote:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 23:43:31 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:


>
> Every time some nut job starts to talk like you are now I check the
> header. Hint: You need to do a better job of trying to hide your
> identity moron.
>



Poor, poor old Albright you are past your prime, over the hill and your
trash talk is no good anymore. You just can't handle the truth.

The only nut is you Albright, but you can't handle the truth about
yourself and seek professional help. You have been told by more than a
few people on Unset that you are a nut case, and I suspect you have been
told that you are a nut case by your family too.

All one has to do is push your button and watch you start acting like a
sack of human waste, before that pea brain of yours kicks in and you
back off.
 
Linux1 wrote:

> Adam Albright wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 May 2008 23:43:31 -0400, Linux1 <Linux1@Linux.1com> wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Every time some nut job starts to talk like you are now I check the
>> header. Hint: You need to do a better job of trying to hide your
>> identity moron.

>
>
>
> Poor, poor old Albright you are past your prime, over the hill and your
> trash talk is no good anymore. You just can't handle the truth.
>
> The only nut is you Albright, but you can't handle the truth about
> yourself and seek professional help. You have been told by more than a
> few people on Unset that you are a nut case, and I suspect you have been
> told that you are a nut case by your family too.
>
> All one has to do is push your button and watch you start acting like a
> sack of human waste, before that pea brain of yours kicks in and you
> back off.
>
>

I think aa enjoys having his fat stupid ass kicked all over this ng
cause everyone in here has been doing it to him...hahaha...LOL!
Frank
 

> What difference does it make... coming from Microsoft it will be
> bloated, buggy and need it's own Service Pack before it is ready for
> prime time. Microsoft doesn't know how to write GOOD software. The
> fanboys haven't learned that yet.
>


Then, why don't you just stop your continual bitching and complaining and
adopt another manufacturer's product or write your own for that matter. All
that you are doing here is demonstrating your inability to make a choice
that makes sense to suit your requirements while complaining about something
that you obviously don't and won't accept.

--
Ron P

If we are what we eat then: I'm fast,
cheap and easy and past my best before date
 
> I am just here messing with you fool because I don't like you or your
> snake in the grass character. There is no other agenda here fool but to
> mess with you and your one track mind. You are an easy target with a big
> mouth that needs to be seen. You don't have anything else going but the
> Internet and this NG in your otherwise sorry and worthless existence on
> this Earth. Your life has become pitiful, because you are old and past
> your prime.


You must like talking to yourself. Everything that you have said very aptly
applies to you.


Get a life.

--
Ron

If we are what we eat then: I'm fast,
cheap and easy and past my best before date
 

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