IE7 (32-bits) crashes and freezes incessantly in Vista 64

[Trond Ruud]

After having worked faultlessly, since I got my Vista 64 machine, some weeks
ago, the 32-bit IE7 now has started crashing and/or freezing every time I
try to use it. The 64-bits IE7 works without any problems though. I've been
waiting for a fix, but since none have been forthcoming from Windows update,
I guess it isn't a common problem (?) I've had to install Firefox, and set
it as my default browser in order to use the Roboform password manager,
but that's a bit cumbersome since, when trying to install fixes and othere
downloads from Microsoft, I'm usually told that IE 5.5 or newer is required.

In the event viewer I found these 2 application error messages after the
last IE crash/freeze/restart series:
1)
The program iexplore.exe version 7.0.6000.16473 stopped interacting with
Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is
available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and Solutions
control panel. Process ID: ed4 Start Time: 01c7cd37319832ca Termination
Time: 0
2)
Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.6000.16473, time stamp
0x46296d48, faulting module kernel32.dll, version 6.0.6000.16386, time stamp
0x4549be94, exception code 0x0eedfade, fault offset 0x00023843, process id
0xbe4, application start time 0x01c7cd370840cc34.

IE7-32 is working like mad trying to recover the crashes, by starting
again - and immediately crashing anew. Could it be a bug having sneaked past
my Kaspersky 2007 and Vista Firewall defenses?
Trond Ruud,
Norway

 

[Michael Solomon]

"Trond Ruud" <troruud@start.no> wrote in message
news:uNXo4HUzHHA.312@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> After having worked faultlessly, since I got my Vista 64 machine, some
> weeks
> ago, the 32-bit IE7 now has started crashing and/or freezing every time I
> try to use it. The 64-bits IE7 works without any problems though. I've
> been
> waiting for a fix, but since none have been forthcoming from Windows
> update,
> I guess it isn't a common problem (?) I've had to install Firefox, and set
> it as my default browser in order to use the Roboform password manager,
> but that's a bit cumbersome since, when trying to install fixes and othere
> downloads from Microsoft, I'm usually told that IE 5.5 or newer is
> required.
>
> In the event viewer I found these 2 application error messages after the
> last IE crash/freeze/restart series:
> 1)
> The program iexplore.exe version 7.0.6000.16473 stopped interacting with
> Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is
> available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and Solutions
> control panel. Process ID: ed4 Start Time: 01c7cd37319832ca Termination
> Time: 0
> 2)
> Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.6000.16473, time stamp
> 0x46296d48, faulting module kernel32.dll, version 6.0.6000.16386, time
> stamp
> 0x4549be94, exception code 0x0eedfade, fault offset 0x00023843, process id
> 0xbe4, application start time 0x01c7cd370840cc34.
>
> IE7-32 is working like mad trying to recover the crashes, by starting
> again - and immediately crashing anew. Could it be a bug having sneaked
> past
> my Kaspersky 2007 and Vista Firewall defenses?
> Trond Ruud,
> Norway
>

If you are running the 64-bit version of Vista, why are you even trying to
run IE7 32-bit?
--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

 

[brink]

Trond Ruud;393076 Wrote:
> After having worked faultlessly, since I got my Vista 64 machine, some
> weeks
> ago, the 32-bit IE7 now has started crashing and/or freezing every time
> I
> try to use it. The 64-bits IE7 works without any problems though. I've
> been
> waiting for a fix, but since none have been forthcoming from Windows
> update,
> I guess it isn't a common problem (?) I've had to install Firefox, and
> set
> it as my default browser in order to use the Roboform password manager,
> but that's a bit cumbersome since, when trying to install fixes and
> othere
> downloads from Microsoft, I'm usually told that IE 5.5 or newer is
> required.
>
> In the event viewer I found these 2 application error messages after
> the
> last IE crash/freeze/restart series:
> 1)
> The program iexplore.exe version 7.0.6000.16473 stopped interacting
> with
> Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is
> available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and
> Solutions
> control panel. Process ID: ed4 Start Time: 01c7cd37319832ca Termination
> Time: 0
> 2)
> Faulting application iexplore.exe, version 7.0.6000.16473, time stamp
> 0x46296d48, faulting module kernel32.dll, version 6.0.6000.16386, time
> stamp
> 0x4549be94, exception code 0x0eedfade, fault offset 0x00023843, process
> id
> 0xbe4, application start time 0x01c7cd370840cc34.
>
> IE7-32 is working like mad trying to recover the crashes, by starting
> again - and immediately crashing anew. Could it be a bug having sneaked
> past
> my Kaspersky 2007 and Vista Firewall defenses?
> Trond Ruud,
> Norway

Hi Trond,

It sounds like one of your IE7 add-ons is not playing nice. Try this:
1. Open Control Panel (Classic View)
2. Click on Internet Options.
3. Click Programs tab.
4. Click Manage add-ons button.
5. Disable them one by one and test IE7 until you find the culprit.
6. Then uninstall the bad add-on.

Shawn


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[Trond Ruud]

"Michael Solomon" <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
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>
> If you are running the 64-bit version of Vista, why are you even trying to
> run IE7 32-bit?
> --
> Michael Solomon
> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
Good question. There are 2 answers:
1. It was preset (by Microsoft I assume?) as the default browser in Vista
2. The Roboform password manager - which I'm addicted to - only comes in a
32-bit flavour, and will not work with IE7 64

But the IE7 64-version seems much faster than the 32, so hadn't it been for
Roboform, I'd switch to 64 as default browser.
Maybe I should look for a 64-bits password manager? Any recommendations?
Trond Ruud

 

[Trond Ruud]

"brink" <brink.2u6sg3@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
news:brink.2u6sg3@no-mx.forums.net...
> Hi Trond,
>
> It sounds like one of your IE7 add-ons is not playing nice. Try this:
> 1. Open Control Panel (Classic View)
> 2. Click on Internet Options.
> 3. Click Programs tab.
> 4. Click Manage add-ons button.
> 5. Disable them one by one and test IE7 until you find the culprit.
> 6. Then uninstall the bad add-on.
>
> Shawn
> --
> brink
>
> *There are no dumb questions, just the people that do not ask them.*
> '_www.Vistax64.com_' (http://www.vistax64.com)
> *Please post feedback to help others.*

Thanks Shawn,
I disabled all of them (there were only 5 and 4 of those named Microsoft as
author), but it seems that the Control Panel->Internet Options only operated
on the 64-bits IE version add-ons, because the 32-bits IE7 crashed just like
before, while I got a warning about some disabled add-on when starting the
64-bits. Strange thing, this! The 32-bits IE7 is now very busy restarting
and recrashing automatically, all by itself. Seems a bit virusy this I feel.
What do you think? But I have just finished scanning the whole machine with
Kaspersky 7, and it didn't find anything fishy.
Trond Ruud

 

[brink]

Trond Ruud;393443 Wrote:
>
> Thanks Shawn,
> I disabled all of them (there were only 5 and 4 of those named
> Microsoft as
> author), but it seems that the Control Panel->Internet Options only
> operated
> on the 64-bits IE version add-ons, because the 32-bits IE7 crashed just
> like
> before, while I got a warning about some disabled add-on when starting
> the
> 64-bits. Strange thing, this! The 32-bits IE7 is now very busy
> restarting
> and recrashing automatically, all by itself. Seems a bit virusy this I
> feel.
> What do you think? But I have just finished scanning the whole machine
> with
> Kaspersky 7, and it didn't find anything fishy.
> Trond Ruud

Trond,

The Control Panel's Internet Options should be for your default IE7
browser. I see that you had it as the x32 IE7 for your defualt. Have
you tried to do the "Reset" button option in Internet Options > Advanced
tab for the x32 IE7 yet?

I suppose it could be a Virus, but it seems more like a add-on gone
afoul. Kaspersky 7 is a good AV, so I'm sure it would of caught it if
there was one.

Shawn


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[Michael Solomon]

"Trond Ruud" <troruud@start.no> wrote in message
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>
> "Michael Solomon" <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
> news7FD6C17-4241-4900-A404-FA99EF91876B@microsoft.com...
>>
>> If you are running the 64-bit version of Vista, why are you even trying
>> to run IE7 32-bit?
>> --
>> Michael Solomon
>> Backup is a PC user's best friend
>> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> Good question. There are 2 answers:
> 1. It was preset (by Microsoft I assume?) as the default browser in Vista
> 2. The Roboform password manager - which I'm addicted to - only comes in a
> 32-bit flavour, and will not work with IE7 64
>
> But the IE7 64-version seems much faster than the 32, so hadn't it been
> for Roboform, I'd switch to 64 as default browser.
> Maybe I should look for a 64-bits password manager? Any recommendations?
> Trond Ruud
>
Okay, so the reason for the problem is you are trying to use the 32-bit
version on Vista 64-bit. I use Password Agent from Moon Software:

http://www.moonsoftware.com/pwagent.asp

I don't know if it works with Vista 64-bit, the specs only list Vista with
no reference to 32 or 64 but it's worth a try.


--
Michael Solomon
Backup is a PC user's best friend
DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/

 

[Pere Casanellas]

I have the same problem as Tron Ruud: any 32-bit application that tries to
access the Internet terminates unexpectedly, for example Thunderbird or
Internet Explorer 32 bits. Internet 64-bit applications work fine, for
example Internet Explorer 64-bit version, Windows Update... I cannot receive
or send e-mail (I use Thunderbird; and it seems that Outlook 2007 is also a
32-bit appl.); I cannot use Internet Explorer with Macromedia Flash Player
(since it does not exist for IE 64-bit version, the only one with which I can
now work).

I solved the first time this problem restoring my system to a previous
configuration, but it has happened now again. I am in dispair. Probably I
will have to change to Win Vista 32-bits.

"Michael Solomon" wrote:

>
>
> "Trond Ruud" <troruud@start.no> wrote in message
> news:uul8fPWzHHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >
> > "Michael Solomon" <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
> > news7FD6C17-4241-4900-A404-FA99EF91876B@microsoft.com...
> >>
> >> If you are running the 64-bit version of Vista, why are you even trying
> >> to run IE7 32-bit?
> >> --
> >> Michael Solomon
> >> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> >> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
> > Good question. There are 2 answers:
> > 1. It was preset (by Microsoft I assume?) as the default browser in Vista
> > 2. The Roboform password manager - which I'm addicted to - only comes in a
> > 32-bit flavour, and will not work with IE7 64
> >
> > But the IE7 64-version seems much faster than the 32, so hadn't it been
> > for Roboform, I'd switch to 64 as default browser.
> > Maybe I should look for a 64-bits password manager? Any recommendations?
> > Trond Ruud
> >
> Okay, so the reason for the problem is you are trying to use the 32-bit
> version on Vista 64-bit. I use Password Agent from Moon Software:
>
> http://www.moonsoftware.com/pwagent.asp
>
> I don't know if it works with Vista 64-bit, the specs only list Vista with
> no reference to 32 or 64 but it's worth a try.
>
>
> --
> Michael Solomon
> Backup is a PC user's best friend
> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>

 

[Trond Ruud]

Here, the Vista Internet Explorer-32 freeze/crash/restart/crash-again/
problems are as bad as ever
I checked the Event Viewer now after a long series of crashes and found 5
identical error instances, specifying the errors as follows:

The program iexplore.exe version 7.0.6000.16473 stopped interacting with
Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is
available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and Solutions
control panel. Process ID: 10fc Start Time: 01c7cfb92b24a324 Termination
Time: 16

IE7 (64) works fine, but I have the same Macromedia Flash Player problems
with it as Pere Casanellas. Firefox works without a hitch however, and I
haven't had any problems with Windows Mail. Outlook 2003 can't import the 3
email accounts I have in Windows Mail. "No accounts found", it claims
Regards
Trond Ruud


"Pere Casanellas" <PereCasanellas@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message news:8AF71C87-6AD9-4168-BF0E-2BEC8B7C6341@microsoft.com...
>I have the same problem as Tron Ruud: any 32-bit application that tries to
> access the Internet terminates unexpectedly, for example Thunderbird or
> Internet Explorer 32 bits. Internet 64-bit applications work fine, for
> example Internet Explorer 64-bit version, Windows Update... I cannot
> receive
> or send e-mail (I use Thunderbird; and it seems that Outlook 2007 is also
> a
> 32-bit appl.); I cannot use Internet Explorer with Macromedia Flash Player
> (since it does not exist for IE 64-bit version, the only one with which I
> can
> now work).
>
> I solved the first time this problem restoring my system to a previous
> configuration, but it has happened now again. I am in dispair. Probably I
> will have to change to Win Vista 32-bits.
>
> "Michael Solomon" wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> "Trond Ruud" <troruud@start.no> wrote in message
>> news:uul8fPWzHHA.4816@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > "Michael Solomon" <user@#notme.com> wrote in message
>> > news7FD6C17-4241-4900-A404-FA99EF91876B@microsoft.com...
>> >>
>> >> If you are running the 64-bit version of Vista, why are you even
>> >> trying
>> >> to run IE7 32-bit?
>> >> --
>> >> Michael Solomon
>> >> Backup is a PC user's best friend
>> >> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>> > Good question. There are 2 answers:
>> > 1. It was preset (by Microsoft I assume?) as the default browser in
>> > Vista
>> > 2. The Roboform password manager - which I'm addicted to - only comes
>> > in a
>> > 32-bit flavour, and will not work with IE7 64
>> >
>> > But the IE7 64-version seems much faster than the 32, so hadn't it been
>> > for Roboform, I'd switch to 64 as default browser.
>> > Maybe I should look for a 64-bits password manager? Any
>> > recommendations?
>> > Trond Ruud
>> >
>> Okay, so the reason for the problem is you are trying to use the 32-bit
>> version on Vista 64-bit. I use Password Agent from Moon Software:
>>
>> http://www.moonsoftware.com/pwagent.asp
>>
>> I don't know if it works with Vista 64-bit, the specs only list Vista
>> with
>> no reference to 32 or 64 but it's worth a try.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Michael Solomon
>> Backup is a PC user's best friend
>> DTS-L.Org: http://www.dts-l.org/
>>
>

 

[brink]

Trond Ruud;398058 Wrote:
> Here, the Vista Internet Explorer-32 freeze/crash/restart/crash-again/
> problems are as bad as ever
> I checked the Event Viewer now after a long series of crashes and found
> 5
> identical error instances, specifying the errors as follows:
>
> The program iexplore.exe version 7.0.6000.16473 stopped interacting
> with
> Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is
> available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and
> Solutions
> control panel. Process ID: 10fc Start Time: 01c7cfb92b24a324
> Termination
> Time: 16
>
> IE7 (64) works fine, but I have the same Macromedia Flash Player
> problems
> with it as Pere Casanellas. Firefox works without a hitch however, and
> I
> haven't had any problems with Windows Mail. Outlook 2003 can't import
> the 3
> email accounts I have in Windows Mail. "No accounts found", it claims
> Regards
> Trond Ruud
>
>

Trond,

Since you already tried everything else. Try disabling "DEP". Try
disabling it for IE7 (32-bit) first, then if that doesn't do it, disable
the whole thing. Here is a link for how to do it.

http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/65790-dep-data-execution-prevention.html?ltr=D

Shawn


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[Trond Ruud]

EUREKA!
Shawn you're an angel! The "Reset" button option in Internet Options >
Advanced tab for the x32 IE7 did the trick, it seems.
Thanks a lot! The start/crash/restart/crash every time I clicked a link, was
driving me crazy.
Wonder what caused it though. I checked the add-ons, and now there were
quite a lot more of them. Seems like the reset process disabled most of
them, though, and I'll just leave that, as it is.
Thanks again
Trond

"brink" <brink.2u70sf@no-mx.forums.net> wrote in message
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>
> Trond Ruud;393443 Wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Shawn,
>> I disabled all of them (there were only 5 and 4 of those named
>> Microsoft as
>> author), but it seems that the Control Panel->Internet Options only
>> operated
>> on the 64-bits IE version add-ons, because the 32-bits IE7 crashed just
>> like
>> before, while I got a warning about some disabled add-on when starting
>> the
>> 64-bits. Strange thing, this! The 32-bits IE7 is now very busy
>> restarting
>> and recrashing automatically, all by itself. Seems a bit virusy this I
>> feel.
>> What do you think? But I have just finished scanning the whole machine
>> with
>> Kaspersky 7, and it didn't find anything fishy.
>> Trond Ruud
>
> Trond,
>
> The Control Panel's Internet Options should be for your default IE7
> browser. I see that you had it as the x32 IE7 for your defualt. Have
> you tried to do the "Reset" button option in Internet Options > Advanced
> tab for the x32 IE7 yet?
>
> I suppose it could be a Virus, but it seems more like a add-on gone
> afoul. Kaspersky 7 is a good AV, so I'm sure it would of caught it if
> there was one.
>
> Shawn
>
>
> --
> brink
>
> *There are no dumb questions, just the people that do not ask them.*
> '_www.Vistax64.com_' (http://www.vistax64.com)
> *Please post feedback to help others.*
>

 

[brink]

Trond Ruud;398145 Wrote:
> EUREKA!
> Shawn you're an angel! The "Reset" button option in Internet Options >
> Advanced tab for the x32 IE7 did the trick, it seems.
> Thanks a lot! The start/crash/restart/crash every time I clicked a
> link, was
> driving me crazy.
> Wonder what caused it though. I checked the add-ons, and now there were
> quite a lot more of them. Seems like the reset process disabled most of
> them, though, and I'll just leave that, as it is.
> Thanks again
> Trond
>
>

Trond,

Glad to hear it. If you want to find out which add-on was the problem,
then enable them one by one and test IE7. When it crashes, you know you
found it. Just disable it again and uninstall it.

Shawn


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[Pere Casanellas]

Thanks, Brink. Yet disabling DEP was not useful to solve the problem in my
computer.

"brink" wrote:

>
> Trond Ruud;398058 Wrote:
> > Here, the Vista Internet Explorer-32 freeze/crash/restart/crash-again/
> > problems are as bad as ever
> > I checked the Event Viewer now after a long series of crashes and found
> > 5
> > identical error instances, specifying the errors as follows:
> >
> > The program iexplore.exe version 7.0.6000.16473 stopped interacting
> > with
> > Windows and was closed. To see if more information about the problem is
> > available, check the problem history in the Problem Reports and
> > Solutions
> > control panel. Process ID: 10fc Start Time: 01c7cfb92b24a324
> > Termination
> > Time: 16
> >
> > IE7 (64) works fine, but I have the same Macromedia Flash Player
> > problems
> > with it as Pere Casanellas. Firefox works without a hitch however, and
> > I
> > haven't had any problems with Windows Mail. Outlook 2003 can't import
> > the 3
> > email accounts I have in Windows Mail. "No accounts found", it claims
> > Regards
> > Trond Ruud
> >
> >
>
> Trond,
>
> Since you already tried everything else. Try disabling "DEP". Try
> disabling it for IE7 (32-bit) first, then if that doesn't do it, disable
> the whole thing. Here is a link for how to do it.
>
> http://www.vistax64.com/tutorials/65790-dep-data-execution-prevention.html?ltr=D
>
> Shawn
>
>
> --
> brink
>
> *There are no dumb questions, just the people that do not ask them.*
> _http://www.vistax64.com/ (\"http://www.vistax64.com/\")_
> *Please post feedback to help others.*
>

 

[brink]

Pere Casanellas;398387 Wrote:
> Thanks, Brink. Yet disabling DEP was not useful to solve the problem in
> my computer.
>
>

Ok Pere,

Give these a try.

First:
Make sure your antivirus program has all of it's email scanning options
turned off. This is a redundant feature that can corrupt Windows Mail.
Plus, you will still be protected by your antivirus's real-time resident
monitoring protection. Norton and McAfee seem to be the worst offenders,
while Avast or AVG has not had any problems reported so far.

Avast - 'http://avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html'
(http://avast.com/eng/avast_4_home.html)

AVG - 'http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0?prd=aff'
(http://free.grisoft.com/doc/5390/us/frt/0?prd=aff)

Second:
Have you tried to do the "Reset" button option in Internet Options >
Advanced tab for the x32 IE7 yet?

Shawn


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[Henri G. Lamont]

Vista IE 32 freezes and 64 bit doesn't

My issue is that any link that activates IE tries to bring up the 32 bit version (which freezes)instead of the 64 bit version which does not freeze. I set the 64 bit Vista IE as the default but links still try to activate the 32 bit version.

What is the problem?

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[Henri G. Lamont]

Vista IE 32 freezes and 64 bit doesn't

My issue is that any link that activates IE tries to bring up the 32 bit version (which freezes)instead of the 64 bit version which does not freeze. I set the 64 bit Vista IE as the default but links still try to activate the 32 bit version.

What is the problem?

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[brink]

Henri G. Lamont;411143 Wrote:
> My issue is that any link that activates IE tries to bring up the 32 bit
> version (which freezes)instead of the 64 bit version which does not
> freeze. I set the 64 bit Vista IE as the default but links still try to
> activate the 32 bit version.
>
> What is the problem?
>
> EggHeadCafe.com - .NET Developer Portal of Choice
> 'EggHeadCafe.com - The .NET developer's portal of choice'
> (http://www.eggheadcafe.com)
>

Hi Henri,

The problem is that Vista makes the x32 IE7 the default instead of the
x64 IE7 because there is very little if any support for add ons (EX:
Flash player) for the x64 version. I do not know how to change the x64
to the default yet. It involves the registry and not just Program
Defaults in the Control Panel though. That is probably why the links
still open the x32 version. What method did you try?

For the x32 IE7 freezing, have you tried to do the Reset? You may have
a add on that is causing this problem. The reset will disable all of
them and you can enable them one by one to see which one it may be.

1. Open Control Panel. (Classic View)
2. Click Internet Options.
3. Click Advanced tab.
4. Click Reset.
5. Click Ok or Yes for the confirmation prompt.

Hope this helps,
Shawn


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[Henri Lamont]

Vista IE 32 freezes and 64 bit doesn't *****FIXED*****

I downloaded a registry cleaner and used it. It seems to have done the trick.

Now the links I activate pull up my Vista IE 64.

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