IE 8 Internet Problem

[KenP]

Win XP Pro Machine - Installed IE 8 and now can't access web pages. I can

ping web sites (yahoo.com) and receive email but can't open web pages.



I've run TCP IP fix program and ran O/S repair but neither helped. Any

suggestions will be greatly appreciated.



I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

again.



KenP

 

[Jeff Strickland]

"KenP" wrote in message

news:FB1E0479-55F8-40FE-8A31-53D93292D2DE@microsoft.com...

> Win XP Pro Machine - Installed IE 8 and now can't access web pages. I can

> ping web sites (yahoo.com) and receive email but can't open web pages.

>

> I've run TCP IP fix program and ran O/S repair but neither helped. Any

> suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

>

> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

> again.

>

> KenP





That's odd, your post came up both times.



Are you running Family Protection Services from McAfee?



There's no reason that IE8 can't get to the net if you previous version

could get on.



I had an unpleasant experience (again) last week with McAfee and an IE8

install on a Win7 machine. Check your Add & Remove Programs for Family

Protection Service from McAfee, if it's there Uninstall it and see if your

browser comes back.

 

[G. R. Woodring]

Bad idea, now you will need to monitor two threads for responses. Worse, some

will see the double post and regard you as to rude to deserve a response to

either post.



--

G. R. Woodring



Date: 2/6/2010 1:10 PM, Author: KenP Wrote:

>



< Snipped > - Better if all responses were only to the first thread.



> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

> again.

>

> KenP

 

[Jeff Strickland]

In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting a

second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and some

Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.



And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

netiquette violations.







"G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

news:ua1K6v1pKHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> Bad idea, now you will need to monitor two threads for responses. Worse,

> some will see the double post and regard you as to rude to deserve a

> response to either post.

>

> --

> G. R. Woodring

>

> Date: 2/6/2010 1:10 PM, Author: KenP Wrote:

>>

>

> < Snipped > - Better if all responses were only to the first thread.

>

>> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

>> again.

>>

>> KenP

 

[G. R. Woodring]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting a

> second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and some

> Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

>



This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a web

interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates periodically

from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able to refresh the browser

display manually which may or may not have displayed the posting. At any rate,

multiple postings create confusion for the OP and for those posting responses.



> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

> netiquette violations.

>



I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support groups because

the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top posting seems to

be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so that is how I post here.

The netiquette principle here is "When in Rome..."



--

G. R. Woodring



>

>

> "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> news:ua1K6v1pKHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>> Bad idea, now you will need to monitor two threads for responses. Worse,

>> some will see the double post and regard you as to rude to deserve a

>> response to either post.

>>

>> --

>> G. R. Woodring

>>

>> Date: 2/6/2010 1:10 PM, Author: KenP Wrote:

>> < Snipped > - Better if all responses were only to the first thread.

>>

>>> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

>>> again.

>>>

>>> KenP

>

>

 

[Jeff Strickland]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

"G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

news:OcF1hN2pKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>

> Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting a

>> second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and some

>> Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

>>

>

> This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a web

> interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates

> periodically from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able to

> refresh the browser display manually which may or may not have displayed

> the posting. At any rate, multiple postings create confusion for the OP

> and for those posting responses.

>

>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

>> netiquette violations.

>>

>

> I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support groups

> because the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top

> posting seems to be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so that

> is how I post here. The netiquette principle here is "When in Rome..."

>

> --

> G. R. Woodring

>



Personally, I prefer top posting (I was yanking your chain earlier) because

I generally read a post from top to bottom, then elect to Reply, and my news

client puts the cursor at the top. If I bottom post, as proper netiquette

calls for, then I have to open a post, scroll to the bottom to read, then

Reply and scroll to the bottom again to begin my comments. Top posting lets

me read, then Reply and not scroll all over the place to do it.



The problem becomes that I may want to Reply in the middle, and top posting

places stuff in a strange order later on when the discussion becomes

fragmented.



What REALLY causes problems though is Mixed Posting, where some poster make

their comments at the top and others make them at the bottom. I like the

When-in-Rome approach, if you are commenting to a top post, then you should

top post as well. You should never ever top post in a discussion where

everybody else is bottom posting. If I was a judge, I'd have to impose the

death penalty for offenders.

 

[Jeff Strickland]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message

news:hkkh4m$sn8$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>

> "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> news:OcF1hN2pKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>

>> Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

>>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting

>>> a second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and

>>> some Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

>>>

>>

>> This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a web

>> interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates

>> periodically from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able to

>> refresh the browser display manually which may or may not have displayed

>> the posting. At any rate, multiple postings create confusion for the OP

>> and for those posting responses.

>>

>>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

>>> netiquette violations.

>>>

>>

>> I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support groups

>> because the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top

>> posting seems to be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so

>> that is how I post here. The netiquette principle here is "When in

>> Rome..."

>>

>> --

>> G. R. Woodring

>>

>

> Personally, I prefer top posting (I was yanking your chain earlier)

> because I generally read a post from top to bottom, then elect to Reply,

> and my news client puts the cursor at the top. If I bottom post, as proper

> netiquette calls for, then I have to open a post, scroll to the bottom to

> read, then Reply and scroll to the bottom again to begin my comments. Top

> posting lets me read, then Reply and not scroll all over the place to do

> it.

>

> The problem becomes that I may want to Reply in the middle, and top

> posting places stuff in a strange order later on when the discussion

> becomes fragmented.

>

> What REALLY causes problems though is Mixed Posting, where some poster

> make their comments at the top and others make them at the bottom. I like

> the When-in-Rome approach, if you are commenting to a top post, then you

> should top post as well. You should never ever top post in a discussion

> where everybody else is bottom posting. If I was a judge, I'd have to

> impose the death penalty for offenders.

>





AS FOR THE "STRANGE DELAY" ...

Notice that my posts are timestamped within a minute of each other. My stuff

shows up immediately.

 

[KenP]

My apology again on 2nd posting. I refreshed screen numerous time and it

never showed up. It only showed up when I changed groups and came back to

this one. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what happens.



"Jeff Strickland" wrote:



> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting a

> second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and some

> Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

>

> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

> netiquette violations.

>

>

>

> "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> news:ua1K6v1pKHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > Bad idea, now you will need to monitor two threads for responses. Worse,

> > some will see the double post and regard you as to rude to deserve a

> > response to either post.

> >

> > --

> > G. R. Woodring

> >

> > Date: 2/6/2010 1:10 PM, Author: KenP Wrote:

> >>

> >

> > < Snipped > - Better if all responses were only to the first thread.

> >

> >> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

> >> again.

> >>

> >> KenP

>

>

> .

>

 

[KenP]

Forgot to mention it will get on Internet if I start in SAFE MODE. Since I

ran the O/S repair, I'm back to IE 6.



"KenP" wrote:



> My apology again on 2nd posting. I refreshed screen numerous time and it

> never showed up. It only showed up when I changed groups and came back to

> this one. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what happens.

>

> "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

>

> > In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting a

> > second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and some

> > Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

> >

> > And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

> > netiquette violations.

> >

> >

> >

> > "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> > news:ua1K6v1pKHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

> > > Bad idea, now you will need to monitor two threads for responses. Worse,

> > > some will see the double post and regard you as to rude to deserve a

> > > response to either post.

> > >

> > > --

> > > G. R. Woodring

> > >

> > > Date: 2/6/2010 1:10 PM, Author: KenP Wrote:

> > >>

> > >

> > > < Snipped > - Better if all responses were only to the first thread.

> > >

> > >> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

> > >> again.

> > >>

> > >> KenP

> >

> >

> > .

> >

 

[Jeff Strickland]

"KenP" wrote in message

news:CD1BD223-5A5E-4C75-B8A4-244B6B019B2B@microsoft.com...

> My apology again on 2nd posting. I refreshed screen numerous time and it

> never showed up. It only showed up when I changed groups and came back to

> this one. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what happens.

>



That's a normal behavior, Ken. Refresh may not get the latest posts. Exiting

the group then re-entering will always get them.

 

[KenP]

I am running Comodo AV although system had McAfee prior to this. McAfee was

removed and Comodo added several months ago.



"Jeff Strickland" wrote:



>

> "KenP" wrote in message

> news:FB1E0479-55F8-40FE-8A31-53D93292D2DE@microsoft.com...

> > Win XP Pro Machine - Installed IE 8 and now can't access web pages. I can

> > ping web sites (yahoo.com) and receive email but can't open web pages.

> >

> > I've run TCP IP fix program and ran O/S repair but neither helped. Any

> > suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am posting

> > again.

> >

> > KenP

>

>

> That's odd, your post came up both times.

>

> Are you running Family Protection Services from McAfee?

>

> There's no reason that IE8 can't get to the net if you previous version

> could get on.

>

> I had an unpleasant experience (again) last week with McAfee and an IE8

> install on a Win7 machine. Check your Add & Remove Programs for Family

> Protection Service from McAfee, if it's there Uninstall it and see if your

> browser comes back.

>

>

>

>

>

> .

>

 

[Jeff Strickland]

"Jeff Strickland" wrote in message

news:hkkina$3ib$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>

> "KenP" wrote in message

> news:CD1BD223-5A5E-4C75-B8A4-244B6B019B2B@microsoft.com...

>> My apology again on 2nd posting. I refreshed screen numerous time and it

>> never showed up. It only showed up when I changed groups and came back to

>> this one. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what happens.

>>

>

> That's a normal behavior, Ken. Refresh may not get the latest posts.

> Exiting the group then re-entering will always get them.

>

>

Having said that, I just go the latest messages by hitting F5 to refresh.

 

[KenP]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

It appears the post has become more about the posting than the problem. I'll

just reload O/S, that'll fix it.



"Jeff Strickland" wrote:



>

> "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message

> news:hkkh4m$sn8$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> >

> > "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> > news:OcF1hN2pKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>

> >> Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

> >>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting

> >>> a second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and

> >>> some Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

> >>>

> >>

> >> This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a web

> >> interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates

> >> periodically from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able to

> >> refresh the browser display manually which may or may not have displayed

> >> the posting. At any rate, multiple postings create confusion for the OP

> >> and for those posting responses.

> >>

> >>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

> >>> netiquette violations.

> >>>

> >>

> >> I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support groups

> >> because the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top

> >> posting seems to be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so

> >> that is how I post here. The netiquette principle here is "When in

> >> Rome..."

> >>

> >> --

> >> G. R. Woodring

> >>

> >

> > Personally, I prefer top posting (I was yanking your chain earlier)

> > because I generally read a post from top to bottom, then elect to Reply,

> > and my news client puts the cursor at the top. If I bottom post, as proper

> > netiquette calls for, then I have to open a post, scroll to the bottom to

> > read, then Reply and scroll to the bottom again to begin my comments. Top

> > posting lets me read, then Reply and not scroll all over the place to do

> > it.

> >

> > The problem becomes that I may want to Reply in the middle, and top

> > posting places stuff in a strange order later on when the discussion

> > becomes fragmented.

> >

> > What REALLY causes problems though is Mixed Posting, where some poster

> > make their comments at the top and others make them at the bottom. I like

> > the When-in-Rome approach, if you are commenting to a top post, then you

> > should top post as well. You should never ever top post in a discussion

> > where everybody else is bottom posting. If I was a judge, I'd have to

> > impose the death penalty for offenders.

> >

>

>

> AS FOR THE "STRANGE DELAY" ...

> Notice that my posts are timestamped within a minute of each other. My stuff

> shows up immediately.

>

>

>

>

>

> .

>

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

Had IE7 and/or IE8 been installed before you did the Repair Install and did

you uninstall one/both of them before doing the Repair Install?





KenP wrote:

> Forgot to mention it will get on Internet if I start in SAFE MODE. Since I

> ran the O/S repair, I'm back to IE 6.

>

> "KenP" wrote:

>

>> My apology again on 2nd posting. I refreshed screen numerous time and it

>> never showed up. It only showed up when I changed groups and came back to

>> this one. Thanks for the suggestions, I'll see what happens.

>>

>> "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

>>

>>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting

>>> a

>>> second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and some

>>> Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

>>>

>>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

>>> netiquette violations.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

>>> news:ua1K6v1pKHA.5760@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...

>>>> Bad idea, now you will need to monitor two threads for responses.

>>>> Worse,

>>>> some will see the double post and regard you as to rude to deserve a

>>>> response to either post.

>>>>

>>>> --

>>>> G. R. Woodring

>>>>

>>>> Date: 2/6/2010 1:10 PM, Author: KenP Wrote:

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> < Snipped > - Better if all responses were only to the first thread.

>>>>

>>>>> I posted this an hour or so ago and it hasn't showed up yet so am

>>>>> posting again.

>>>>>

>>>>> KenP

>>>

>>>

>>> .

 

[KenP]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

Just so every1 will know, the problem was caused because for some reason both

Proxy setting options in the Internet Options, Connection tab were checked.

Have no clue as to how/why that happened but the problem is resolved.



If we can get beyond the posting issue, I hope this helps someone else cause

it was just a fluke I found it.





"KenP" wrote:



> It appears the post has become more about the posting than the problem. I'll

> just reload O/S, that'll fix it.

>

> "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

>

> >

> > "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message

> > news:hkkh4m$sn8$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> > >

> > > "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> > > news:OcF1hN2pKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> > >>

> > >> Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

> > >>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before posting

> > >>> a second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and

> > >>> some Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >> This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a web

> > >> interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates

> > >> periodically from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able to

> > >> refresh the browser display manually which may or may not have displayed

> > >> the posting. At any rate, multiple postings create confusion for the OP

> > >> and for those posting responses.

> > >>

> > >>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point out

> > >>> netiquette violations.

> > >>>

> > >>

> > >> I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support groups

> > >> because the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top

> > >> posting seems to be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so

> > >> that is how I post here. The netiquette principle here is "When in

> > >> Rome..."

> > >>

> > >> --

> > >> G. R. Woodring

> > >>

> > >

> > > Personally, I prefer top posting (I was yanking your chain earlier)

> > > because I generally read a post from top to bottom, then elect to Reply,

> > > and my news client puts the cursor at the top. If I bottom post, as proper

> > > netiquette calls for, then I have to open a post, scroll to the bottom to

> > > read, then Reply and scroll to the bottom again to begin my comments. Top

> > > posting lets me read, then Reply and not scroll all over the place to do

> > > it.

> > >

> > > The problem becomes that I may want to Reply in the middle, and top

> > > posting places stuff in a strange order later on when the discussion

> > > becomes fragmented.

> > >

> > > What REALLY causes problems though is Mixed Posting, where some poster

> > > make their comments at the top and others make them at the bottom. I like

> > > the When-in-Rome approach, if you are commenting to a top post, then you

> > > should top post as well. You should never ever top post in a discussion

> > > where everybody else is bottom posting. If I was a judge, I'd have to

> > > impose the death penalty for offenders.

> > >

> >

> >

> > AS FOR THE "STRANGE DELAY" ...

> > Notice that my posts are timestamped within a minute of each other. My stuff

> > shows up immediately.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > .

> >

 

[PA Bear [MS MVP]]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

Unwanted enabling of proxy is usually the effect of a hijackware infection.



KenP wrote:

> Just so every1 will know, the problem was caused because for some reason

> both Proxy setting options in the Internet Options, Connection tab were

> checked. Have no clue as to how/why that happened but the problem is

> resolved.

>

> If we can get beyond the posting issue, I hope this helps someone else

> cause

> it was just a fluke I found it.

>

>

> "KenP" wrote:

>

>> It appears the post has become more about the posting than the problem.

>> I'll just reload O/S, that'll fix it.

>>

>> "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

>>

>>>

>>> "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message

>>> news:hkkh4m$sn8$1@news.eternal-september.org...

>>>>

>>>> "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

>>>> news:OcF1hN2pKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

>>>>>

>>>>> Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

>>>>>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before

>>>>>> posting

>>>>>> a second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and

>>>>>> some Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a

>>>>> web interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates

>>>>> periodically from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able

>>>>> to

>>>>> refresh the browser display manually which may or may not have

>>>>> displayed

>>>>> the posting. At any rate, multiple postings create confusion for the

>>>>> OP

>>>>> and for those posting responses.

>>>>>

>>>>>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point

>>>>>> out

>>>>>> netiquette violations.

>>>>>>

>>>>>

>>>>> I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support

>>>>> groups

>>>>> because the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top

>>>>> posting seems to be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so

>>>>> that is how I post here. The netiquette principle here is "When in

>>>>> Rome..."

>>>>>

>>>>> --

>>>>> G. R. Woodring

>>>>>

>>>>

>>>> Personally, I prefer top posting (I was yanking your chain earlier)

>>>> because I generally read a post from top to bottom, then elect to

>>>> Reply,

>>>> and my news client puts the cursor at the top. If I bottom post, as

>>>> proper netiquette calls for, then I have to open a post, scroll to the

>>>> bottom to read, then Reply and scroll to the bottom again to begin my

>>>> comments. Top posting lets me read, then Reply and not scroll all over

>>>> the place to do it.

>>>>

>>>> The problem becomes that I may want to Reply in the middle, and top

>>>> posting places stuff in a strange order later on when the discussion

>>>> becomes fragmented.

>>>>

>>>> What REALLY causes problems though is Mixed Posting, where some poster

>>>> make their comments at the top and others make them at the bottom. I

>>>> like

>>>> the When-in-Rome approach, if you are commenting to a top post, then

>>>> you

>>>> should top post as well. You should never ever top post in a discussion

>>>> where everybody else is bottom posting. If I was a judge, I'd have to

>>>> impose the death penalty for offenders.

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> AS FOR THE "STRANGE DELAY" ...

>>> Notice that my posts are timestamped within a minute of each other. My

>>> stuff shows up immediately.

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> .

 

[KenP]

[OT] IE 8 Internet Problem

I ran Defender and AV (Comodo) and neither found anything worthy of

reporting. Any suggestions???



Thanks



"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:



> Unwanted enabling of proxy is usually the effect of a hijackware infection.

>

> KenP wrote:

> > Just so every1 will know, the problem was caused because for some reason

> > both Proxy setting options in the Internet Options, Connection tab were

> > checked. Have no clue as to how/why that happened but the problem is

> > resolved.

> >

> > If we can get beyond the posting issue, I hope this helps someone else

> > cause

> > it was just a fluke I found it.

> >

> >

> > "KenP" wrote:

> >

> >> It appears the post has become more about the posting than the problem.

> >> I'll just reload O/S, that'll fix it.

> >>

> >> "Jeff Strickland" wrote:

> >>

> >>>

> >>> "Jeff Strickland" wrote in message

> >>> news:hkkh4m$sn8$1@news.eternal-september.org...

> >>>>

> >>>> "G. R. Woodring" wrote in message

> >>>> news:OcF1hN2pKHA.1556@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...

> >>>>>

> >>>>> Date: 2/6/2010 1:50 PM, Author: Jeff Strickland Wrote:

> >>>>>> In his defense, he waited an hour for his post to appear before

> >>>>>> posting

> >>>>>> a second time, many repeat-posters only wait a couple of minutes, and

> >>>>>> some Reply to their own post that their post didn't come up.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> This group seems to have a slight delay by itself. Posting through a

> >>>>> web interface would impose additional delay as the web server updates

> >>>>> periodically from the news server. Also, the OP might have been able

> >>>>> to

> >>>>> refresh the browser display manually which may or may not have

> >>>>> displayed

> >>>>> the posting. At any rate, multiple postings create confusion for the

> >>>>> OP

> >>>>> and for those posting responses.

> >>>>>

> >>>>>> And, you top posted, so perhaps you're not the best person to point

> >>>>>> out

> >>>>>> netiquette violations.

> >>>>>>

> >>>>>

> >>>>> I normally bottom post in news groups, and I prefer it in support

> >>>>> groups

> >>>>> because the top-to-bottom continuity seems more natural. However top

> >>>>> posting seems to be the more common method on the Microsoft groups so

> >>>>> that is how I post here. The netiquette principle here is "When in

> >>>>> Rome..."

> >>>>>

> >>>>> --

> >>>>> G. R. Woodring

> >>>>>

> >>>>

> >>>> Personally, I prefer top posting (I was yanking your chain earlier)

> >>>> because I generally read a post from top to bottom, then elect to

> >>>> Reply,

> >>>> and my news client puts the cursor at the top. If I bottom post, as

> >>>> proper netiquette calls for, then I have to open a post, scroll to the

> >>>> bottom to read, then Reply and scroll to the bottom again to begin my

> >>>> comments. Top posting lets me read, then Reply and not scroll all over

> >>>> the place to do it.

> >>>>

> >>>> The problem becomes that I may want to Reply in the middle, and top

> >>>> posting places stuff in a strange order later on when the discussion

> >>>> becomes fragmented.

> >>>>

> >>>> What REALLY causes problems though is Mixed Posting, where some poster

> >>>> make their comments at the top and others make them at the bottom. I

> >>>> like

> >>>> the When-in-Rome approach, if you are commenting to a top post, then

> >>>> you

> >>>> should top post as well. You should never ever top post in a discussion

> >>>> where everybody else is bottom posting. If I was a judge, I'd have to

> >>>> impose the death penalty for offenders.

> >>>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> AS FOR THE "STRANGE DELAY" ...

> >>> Notice that my posts are timestamped within a minute of each other. My

> >>> stuff shows up immediately.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> .

>

> .

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