equivalent of Roxio DirectCD?

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is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format a

rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy and delete

files with window explorer without the need of a burning software?



thanks

Maurice
 
Maurice wrote:

> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can

> format a rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we

> can copy and delete files with window explorer without the need of

> a burning software?




I personally cannot see any reason to use CD/DVDs in that manner (financial

or otherwise) today. USB sticks/memory cards/etc are very inexpensive,

smaller in physical size, etc.



But help yourself in any future Google searches by knowing what it is

called:

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq06.html#S6-3



and such.



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Em Sábado 27 Fevereiro 2010 17:11, Maurice escreveu:



> Hello:

>

> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format a

> rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy and

> delete files with window explorer without the need of a burning software?

>

> thanks

> Maurice




CDRW has a limited time they can be re-writed, with that process (UDF

filesystem) everytime you write a file to it, the index tables are re-writen

and over a while it damages the area where the index tables are located,

living you with a corrupted filesystem.



forget it, that method is not reliable at all.
 
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ArameFarpado typed:

> Em Sábado 27 Fevereiro 2010 17:11, Maurice escreveu:

>

>> Hello:

>>

>> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format

>> a rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy

>> and delete files with window explorer without the need of a burning

>> software?

>>

>> thanks

>> Maurice


>

> CDRW has a limited time they can be re-writed, with that process (UDF

> filesystem) everytime you write a file to it, the index tables are

> re-writen and over a while it damages the area where the index tables

> are located, living you with a corrupted filesystem.

>

> forget it, that method is not reliable at all.




You're wrong. And besides, you responded to a question the OP never asked.



Twayne





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On 2/27/2010 11:11 AM, Maurice wrote:

> Hello:

>

> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format a

> rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy and delete

> files with window explorer without the need of a burning software?

>

> thanks

> Maurice

>

>


Have a look here: http://www.argentuma.com/backup/software/dla.html



Keep in mind that packet-writing is a way of forcing recordable media to

do things they weren't designed to do, and as such you should be willing

to accept the potential for data loss as part of the bargain.
 
See if this link helps in any way:







You want InCD Reader 5 tab.



hth





Maurice wrote:

>

> Hello:

>

> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format a

> rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy and delete

> files with window explorer without the need of a burning software?

>

> thanks

> Maurice
 
Where did you get that information? Or is it emotional talk?

"ArameFarpado" wrote in message

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> Em Sábado 27 Fevereiro 2010 17:11, Maurice escreveu:

>

>> Hello:

>>

>> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format a

>> rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy and

>> delete files with window explorer without the need of a burning software?

>>

>> thanks

>> Maurice


>

> CDRW has a limited time they can be re-writed, with that process (UDF

> filesystem) everytime you write a file to it, the index tables are

> re-writen

> and over a while it damages the area where the index tables are located,

> living you with a corrupted filesystem.

>

> forget it, that method is not reliable at all.

>

>
 
Maurice wrote:

> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can

> format a rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we

> can copy and delete files with window explorer without the need of

> a burning software?




ArameFarpado wrote:

> CDRW has a limited time they can be re-writed, with that process

> (UDF filesystem) everytime you write a file to it, the index tables

> are re-writen and over a while it damages the area where the index

> tables are located, living you with a corrupted filesystem.

>

> forget it, that method is not reliable at all.




Unknown wrote:

> Where did you get that information? Or is it emotional talk?




http://www.cdrfaq.org/

Specifically:

http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq07.html#S7-5

"CD-RWs are expected to last about 25 years under ideal conditions (i.e. you

write it once and then leave it alone). Repeated rewrites will accelerate

this. In general, CD-RW media isn't recommended for long-term backups or

archives of valuable data."



http://www.osta.org/technology/cdqa13.htm

"Historically, manufacturers have claimed life-spans ranging from 50 to 200

years for CD-R discs and 20 to 100 years for CD-RW." (Notice even the

manufacturer's start out in a much lower expected life-range for CD-RW

media.)



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD-RW



http://www.infinadyne.com/data_safekeeping.html

"While only limited studies of CD-RW longevity have been done, it is

generally assumed that CD-R media will retain recorded information longer

than CD-RW media. The information that is available indicates that the

difference is only significant after 3 to 5 years. So, if the data you are

recording is important to have in 10 years it is probably better on CD-R

rather than CD-RW. However, if the data has no value after two years it

doesn’t matter what media is used."



http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/opticalmedialongevity.html





So while the totality of the response might be over done at best - and the

explanation not entirely accurate - I would venture to say that for most

people *I* would not recommend using CD-RWs for long-term backups and their

usefulness (if for no other reason than their small capacity in comparison

to inexpensive USB memory sticks/memory cards/etc) is limited. Some other

re-writable media would probably serve the purpose better, faster, be more

easily transferrable between systems, etc.



Not saying that there might not be a place where CD/DVD -RW media wouldn't

be ideal - but without specifics from the OP - I would feel like I wasn't

'helping' without pointing out that I have seen very few cases where CD-RWs

were a better choice than a bunch of 1GB thumb drives. ;-)



But again - if the OP wants some keywords to focus on, alternative products

to the one they mentioned, better explanation of it all - the links above

combines with the one I originally gave:



http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq06.html#S6-3



Will give them all that and more.



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Em Sábado 27 Fevereiro 2010 21:03, Unknown escreveu:



>

> Where did you get that information?


Personal experience using CDRW in UDF since Win 3.1



> Or is it emotional talk?


Do you have more stupid questions or what?
 
So it is emotional. Because you and nobody else has a problem it is

unreliable?.

"ArameFarpado" wrote in message

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> Em Sábado 27 Fevereiro 2010 21:03, Unknown escreveu:

>

>>

>> Where did you get that information?


> Personal experience using CDRW in UDF since Win 3.1

>

>> Or is it emotional talk?


> Do you have more stupid questions or what?

>

>
 
Em Sábado 27 Fevereiro 2010 22:36, Unknown escreveu:



> So it is emotional. Because you and nobody else has a problem it is

> unreliable?.


Lots of people had problems with udf cd's... i lost files with many hours of

work on one of those cds because i used to trust them...

this method of dealing with cdrw is much older than you think, and i and

many other user had our share of problems with these cds... it's filesystem

corrupts very easy when you start to use them as the op stated, like

amovible hard-disks or floppys



But of course, if you don't even know what i'm saying, you can't have

problems with something you never even seen.



On the other hand, i know very well what i'm talking about:

in the old days when my PC had just 640MB of hard disk, those cd's looked

like a great solution for me.. that was until i crash on my face.





> "ArameFarpado" wrote in message

> news:hmc56v$4ug$2@news.eternal-september.org...

>> Em S�bado 27 Fevereiro 2010 21:03, Unknown escreveu:

>>

>>>

>>> Where did you get that information?


>> Personal experience using CDRW in UDF since Win 3.1

>>

>>> Or is it emotional talk?


>> Do you have more stupid questions or what?

>>

>>
 
Maurice wrote:

> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can

> format a rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we

> can copy and delete files with window explorer without the need of

> a burning software?




ArameFarpado wrote:

> CDRW has a limited time they can be re-writed, with that process

> (UDF filesystem) everytime you write a file to it, the index tables

> are re-writen and over a while it damages the area where the index

> tables are located, living you with a corrupted filesystem.

>

> forget it, that method is not reliable at all.




Unknown wrote:

> Where did you get that information? Or is it emotional talk?




ArameFarpado wrote:

> Personal experience using CDRW in UDF since Win 3.1

>

> Do you have more stupid questions or what?




Unknown wrote:

> So it is emotional. Because you and nobody else has a problem it is

> unreliable?




ArameFarpado wrote:

> Lots of people had problems with udf cd's... i lost files with many

> hours of work on one of those cds because i used to trust them...

> this method of dealing with cdrw is much older than you think, and

> i and many other user had our share of problems with these cds...

> it's filesystem corrupts very easy when you start to use them as

> the op stated, like amovible hard-disks or floppys

>

> But of course, if you don't even know what i'm saying, you can't

> have problems with something you never even seen.

>

> On the other hand, i know very well what i'm talking about:

> in the old days when my PC had just 640MB of hard disk, those cd's

> looked like a great solution for me.. that was until i crash on my

> face.




I used CDs a lot. Never thought using a CD-RW was a great idea - as the

concept seemed flawed from the start. I'd rather waste the CD-R and just

have several copies. Safer, wiser.



As for the comments - "Unknown" was correct. Your response was an emotional

one. No matter how bad your experience was - I know others who still, to

this day, use -RW media of one sort or another and have had few if any

issues. It all comes down to quality of the media and how/where it is

actually used. Those with the success seldom change machines, do have other

backups and buy the best media of brands they have learned to trust over

years.



If it was more than 'emotional' in nature, if it was logical, thought out

experiences which you could have conveyed - then why when you were asked to

do so you instead attacked the person asking?



As for knowing what you are talking about - just because something did not

work 'in the past' does not mean it does not work 'in the present'... Flown

anywhere lately? Driven/been driven anywhere? Viewed any web pages? Sent

any emails? Done any calculations that would take you hours on paper in

minutes on a computer? Times and what can/cannot be done properly change

over time. ;-)



I remember trying to get 'gold' CD-Rs and the 1X burning speed and how cool

it was to be able to save things like that and get it off my very small hard

drive. 486-50MHz machines were *fast* and had a lot more space than the

20MB hard disk drive I ran a BBS system (14.4/28.8) off of on a Commodore

64. Dozens of games would fit on a single floppy diskette - literally a

*floppy* diskette - not the 1.44MB not-so-floppy diskettes.



Times change. Storage changed with it. Just because it *was* unreliable

does not equate to it still being unreliable and with the Internet at

everyone's fingertips - if something is unreliable - word of it is spread

far and wide for everyone to see VERY quickly. A non-emotional response

would have been one where such links to such experiences were given -

because seldom do the wise people of this world investigating things they

know little about take the word of a single individual they have never met.

;-)



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In news:4b897c9f$0$11025$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com,

Etaoin Shrdlu typed:

> On 2/27/2010 11:11 AM, Maurice wrote:

>> Hello:

>>

>> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format

>> a rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy

>> and delete files with window explorer without the need of a burning

>> software? thanks

>> Maurice

>>

>>


> Have a look here: http://www.argentuma.com/backup/software/dla.html

>

> Keep in mind that packet-writing is a way of forcing recordable media

> to do things they weren't designed to do, and as such you should be

> willing to accept the potential for data loss as part of the bargain.




Nah, not at all. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_writing for a

decent explanation of packet writing. A write is a write is a write is a ...

.. It simply makes session type writing easier to do.



Twayne

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--

Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered

through personal experience does not become a

part of the moral tissue.
 
Twayne wrote:

> In news:4b897c9f$0$11025$c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com,

> Etaoin Shrdlu typed:

>> On 2/27/2010 11:11 AM, Maurice wrote:

>>> Hello:

>>>

>>> is there any free equivalent to the Roxio direct CD, that can format

>>> a rewritable CD to be like a floppy or a USB flash, so we can copy

>>> and delete files with window explorer without the need of a burning

>>> software? thanks

>>> Maurice

>>>

>>>


>> Have a look here: http://www.argentuma.com/backup/software/dla.html

>>

>> Keep in mind that packet-writing is a way of forcing recordable media

>> to do things they weren't designed to do, and as such you should be

>> willing to accept the potential for data loss as part of the bargain.


>

> Nah, not at all. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet_writing for a

> decent explanation of packet writing. A write is a write is a write is a

> ... . It simply makes session type writing easier to do.




....and it makes it easier to lose your data. Usually you only find out

that your 'packet written' data is lost when you really need it the most.



Packet written CDs can hardly only be guaranteed to be readable on the

same hardware that they were created on, so good luck if that old CD

writer of yours packs it in and your new reader can't read the CD. Try

finding an old writer of the same make and model number and you will see

what kind of problems packet writing can cause. CD writers are often

obsolete a year or less after they are introduced. Saving your precious

files with packet writing might bring nasty surprises when you try to

read and restore the data with new hardware!



John
 
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