Data Security & Flash Drive Formatting

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Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a brief period

(two or three hours) before deleting them. At this point, I'd like to make

sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I know there are tools

out there that *can* restore deleted files. I need to make sure that any

such tools will NOT be able to recover the files in question.



So, I'm wondering if a "low-level" format operation would flip all the 1's

to 0's (so to speak), such that these files would be certainly unrecoverable.

Would formatting do the trick? And would different file system parameters

have security advantages over others? For example, I know that /FS:NTFS

seems to take a lot longer than, e.g., /FS:FAT32 and I wonder if that's

because it's doing a more thorough (lower-level?) format.



Any guidance on this will be extremely appreciated. If formatting is not an

adequate means to accomplish my objective, then if there is another means

(some kind of tool or utility) that could be recommended, I'm all ears... or

rather, eyes. ;-)



Many thanks. â€â€Thri
 
"thricipio" wrote in message

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> Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a brief

> period

> (two or three hours) before deleting them. At this point, I'd like to

> make

> sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I know there are

> tools

> out there that *can* restore deleted files. I need to make sure that any

> such tools will NOT be able to recover the files in question.

>

> So, I'm wondering if a "low-level" format operation would flip all the 1's

> to 0's (so to speak), such that these files would be certainly

> unrecoverable.

> Would formatting do the trick? And would different file system parameters

> have security advantages over others? For example, I know that /FS:NTFS

> seems to take a lot longer than, e.g., /FS:FAT32 and I wonder if that's

> because it's doing a more thorough (lower-level?) format.

>

> Any guidance on this will be extremely appreciated. If formatting is not

> an

> adequate means to accomplish my objective, then if there is another means

> (some kind of tool or utility) that could be recommended, I'm all ears...

> or

> rather, eyes. ;-)

>

> Many thanks. â€â€Thri



You asked for some kind of tool. Well, there is the hammer, of course, or

the vice . . . Seriously: If you are concerned about data security then you

should look at TrueCrypt (http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php). It lets

you set up an extra drive that is based on a single TrueCrypt file on your

flash disk. Encryption/decryption is automatic once you have entered your

password. AFAIK it has not been cracked so far. And there is also PGP.
 
What is so sensitive in it? Child porn? Terrorists propaganda material?



People are paranoid about data security when the majority of people you are

likely to come across don't have the knowledge how to recover data from a

formatted flash drive or formatted media of any kind. If it is so sensitive

then the best thing is to destroy the media completely by burning it or

damaging it by breaking it. How much a flash drive cost these days?



Finally, you could use killdisk by downloading a free trial from here:







They also market their award winning products called uneraser and undelete

so you get the idea what I mean.



hth



"thricipio" wrote in message

news:8796F6C5-E8FB-45BA-A08B-776FE4A897F8@microsoft.com...

> Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a brief

> period

> (two or three hours) before deleting them. At this point, I'd like to

> make

> sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I know there are

> tools

> out there that *can* restore deleted files. I need to make sure that any

> such tools will NOT be able to recover the files in question.

>

> So, I'm wondering if a "low-level" format operation would flip all the 1's

> to 0's (so to speak), such that these files would be certainly

> unrecoverable.

> Would formatting do the trick? And would different file system parameters

> have security advantages over others? For example, I know that /FS:NTFS

> seems to take a lot longer than, e.g., /FS:FAT32 and I wonder if that's

> because it's doing a more thorough (lower-level?) format.

>

> Any guidance on this will be extremely appreciated. If formatting is not

> an

> adequate means to accomplish my objective, then if there is another means

> (some kind of tool or utility) that could be recommended, I'm all ears...

> or

> rather, eyes. ;-)

>

> Many thanks. -Thri
 
thricipio wrote:



> Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a brief period

> (two or three hours) before deleting them. At this point, I'd like to make

> sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I know there are tools

> out there that *can* restore deleted files. I need to make sure that any

> such tools will NOT be able to recover the files in question.



There is no magnetic residualism for memory devices as for magnetic hard

disks. You can use any utility that will write 1's and 0's to the filespace

originally occupied by the file. Heidi Eraser will do the job but you don't

have to go to the extreme of the Gutmann 35-pass routine. Just use the

1-pass pseudorandom routine.



For hard disks, and if you're only concerned about non-data recovery labs

obtaining access to your device, the pseudorandom routine is sufficient to

protect your data. If this is a company's hard disk which has policies

regarding super secrecy regarding their data then use the 7-pass DOD or

35-pass Gutmann routines (the more passes means the longer to do the erase).



How to Secure Erase USB Data

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYvuqBnXNCo



There are some shortcuts to what the author shows here. For example, you

don't need to define a task to erase the free space of a drive but can

simply right-click on the drive letter in Windows Explorer and select to

Erase Freespace. There are installable and portable versions of Eraser.
 
Thanks for your resonse. However, I wasn't asking about encrypton software;

rather how to ensure that erased files are *really* erased, etc. But, FWIW,

I've already looked into and installed PGP. Thanks again for your reply.

--Thri



"Pegasus [MVP]" wrote:



> Seriously: If you are concerned about data security then you

> should look at TrueCrypt (http://www.truecrypt.org/downloads.php). It > lets you set up an extra drive that is based on a single TrueCrypt

> file on your flash disk.
 
The data comprises other people's confidential information. As such, I feel

obligated to do everything possible to ensure their privacy, etc.



Killdisk sounds like it might do the trick, but I'd rather not invest any

time in trial software, when other free software is available. So, I think

I'll be trying out heidi eraser; probably version 5.88 (portable).



In any case, thanks for your reply. --Thri



"LD55ZRA" wrote:



> What is so sensitive in it? Child porn? Terrorists propaganda material?

>

> People are paranoid about data security when the majority of people you are

> likely to come across don't have the knowledge how to recover data from a

> formatted flash drive or formatted media of any kind. If it is so sensitive

> then the best thing is to destroy the media completely by burning it or

> damaging it by breaking it. How much a flash drive cost these days?

>

> Finally, you could use killdisk by downloading a free trial from here:

>

>

>

> They also market their award winning products called uneraser and undelete

> so you get the idea what I mean.

>

> hth

>

> "thricipio" wrote in message

> news:8796F6C5-E8FB-45BA-A08B-776FE4A897F8@microsoft.com...

> > Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a brief

> > period

> > (two or three hours) before deleting them. At this point, I'd like to

> > make

> > sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I know there are

> > tools

> > out there that *can* restore deleted files. I need to make sure that any

> > such tools will NOT be able to recover the files in question.

> >

> > So, I'm wondering if a "low-level" format operation would flip all the 1's

> > to 0's (so to speak), such that these files would be certainly

> > unrecoverable.

> > Would formatting do the trick? And would different file system parameters

> > have security advantages over others? For example, I know that /FS:NTFS

> > seems to take a lot longer than, e.g., /FS:FAT32 and I wonder if that's

> > because it's doing a more thorough (lower-level?) format.

> >

> > Any guidance on this will be extremely appreciated. If formatting is not

> > an

> > adequate means to accomplish my objective, then if there is another means

> > (some kind of tool or utility) that could be recommended, I'm all ears...

> > or

> > rather, eyes. ;-)

> >

> > Many thanks. -Thri

>

>

> .

>
 
Thanks, VLH... Looks like I'll be going with heidi Eraser 5.88 (portable).

Your help is much appreciated. Thanks again. --Thri



"VanguardLH" wrote:



> :

> [snip]

> :

> You can use any utility that will write 1's and 0's to the filespace

> originally occupied by the file. Heidi Eraser will do the job

> :

> [snip]

> :
 
On Mar 22, 12:40 am, thricipio

wrote:

> Thanks, VLH... Looks like I'll be going with heidi Eraser 5.88 (portable)..  

> Your help is much appreciated.  Thanks again.  --Thri

>

> "VanguardLH" wrote:

> > :

> > [snip]

> > :

> > You can use any utility that will write 1's and 0's to the filespace

> > originally occupied by the file.  Heidi Eraser will do the job

> > :

> > [snip]

> > :



You need to also note that the lifespan of most flash drives / media

is "limited." The more times you write to these drives / medias, the

shorter the life of the drive.
 
On Mar 21, 1:31 pm, thricipio

wrote:

> Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a  brief period

> (two or three hours) before deleting them.  At this point, I'd like to make

> sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I know there are tools

> out there that *can* restore deleted files.  I need to make sure that any

> such tools will NOT be able to recover the files in question.

>

> So, I'm wondering if a "low-level" format operation would flip all the 1's

> to 0's (so to speak), such that these files would be certainly unrecoverable.

>  Would formatting do the trick?  And would different file system parameters

> have security advantages over others?  For example, I know that /FS:NTFS

> seems to take a lot longer than, e.g., /FS:FAT32 and I wonder if that's

> because it's doing a more thorough (lower-level?) format.

>

> Any guidance on this will be extremely appreciated.  If formatting is not an

> adequate means to accomplish my objective, then if there is another means

> (some kind of tool or utility) that could be recommended, I'm all ears...or

> rather, eyes.  ;-)

>

> Many thanks.  —Thri



If there is some software that is supposed to keep the info from being

recovered, there is now or will soon be software that can get figure

out how to get past it.



Do you want to use something the "sounds like it might do the trick?"



Just like is used to be okay to remove, then it was okay to put in

recycle bin, then it was okay to empty recycle bin, then it was okay

to overwrite, then it was okay to encrypt, then it was okay to format,

then you needed to low level format, then write all zeros, then write

all ones, then alternate, then random, then you could burn it or break

it, then none of this is good enough anymore as people got smarter and

the need to read became more important, now it is an industry.



There are people that get paid to figure out and write books and teach

classes just on how to recovery your unrecoverable data deleted with

methods that might do the trick. That is all these people do. They

are creative and laugh at things that might do the trick.



Whatever method you choose, chances are somebody is smarter than you

or your method and will know how to piece all or part of it back

together. They know now or they will figure it out if they need to.



Smash your USB device in little pieces, incinerate and melt them in a

blast furnace, add various other elements and compounds, let it

solidify, smash it again and dissolve the pieces in aqua regia and and

dump the solution in the ocean over the starboard side of a cruise

ship a little one day and the port side the next a little at a time

each day on your next month long cruise. That will work for now.
 
thricipio wrote:

> Last week I placed some sensitive files on a flash drive for a brief

> period (two or three hours) before deleting them. At this point, I'd

> like to make sure that these deleted files CANNOT be recovered, and I

> know there are tools out there that *can* restore deleted files. I

> need to make sure that any such tools will NOT be able to recover the

> files in question.

>

> So, I'm wondering if a "low-level" format operation would flip all

> the 1's to 0's (so to speak), such that these files would be

> certainly unrecoverable. Would formatting do the trick? And would

> different file system parameters have security advantages over

> others? For example, I know that /FS:NTFS seems to take a lot longer

> than, e.g., /FS:FAT32 and I wonder if that's because it's doing a

> more thorough (lower-level?) format.

>

> Any guidance on this will be extremely appreciated. If formatting is

> not an adequate means to accomplish my objective, then if there is

> another means (some kind of tool or utility) that could be

> recommended, I'm all ears... or rather, eyes. ;-)

>

> Many thanks. -Thri



Formatting will not erase the data on the drive. If you find this

incredible, look up "unformatting" utilities.
 
My question is: If stuff is erased or formatted, etc - Where does it go? I

thought a drive only can hold so much information. Wouldn't it eventually run

out of space?



Are we dealing with nano technology eventhough we are apparently not?



Is all our computer stuff being put into another dimension? I am just

wondering where and if we are dumping massive amounts of garbage or stuff

somwehere. If so I really hope nothing else is there. That would be terrible

if stuff lived there. We would be causing genocide, unknowingly even.



Any answers? Do any mystics, physicists, vast-knowing or all-knowing beings

have any answers?
 
Surprising and disappointing news, luna. Any clues about the rate of decay?



"smlunatick" wrote:

> You need to also note that the lifespan of most flash drives / media

> is "limited." The more times you write to these drives / medias, the

> shorter the life of the drive.
 
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:43:01 -0700, Brian V

wrote:



>My question is: If stuff is erased or formatted, etc - Where does it go? I

>thought a drive only can hold so much information. Wouldn't it eventually run

>out of space?



There is no stuff, only a pattern of bits used to represent stuff.

When the pattern changes, so does the stuff. When all the bits are

zero, the previous pattern which represented stuff is no longer

discernible.



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