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ju.c
Guest
The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
Goodbye everybody!
ju.c
Goodbye everybody!
ju.c
B
Bill in Co.
Guest
What??? Not even a short explanation? 
ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
A
Anthony Buckland
Guest
"Bill in Co." wrote in message
news:%23XTGQNUALHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> What??? Not even a short explanation?
>
> ju.c wrote:
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>>
>> ju.c
>
>
A bigger what: you're not going to some other provider that will
still offer these groups?
news:%23XTGQNUALHA.3840@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> What??? Not even a short explanation?
>
> ju.c wrote:
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>>
>> ju.c
>
>
A bigger what: you're not going to some other provider that will
still offer these groups?
P
PA Bear [MS MVP]
Guest
Shall we send flowers or...?
PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life (unless
you're a bug).
PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too
ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life (unless
you're a bug).
PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too
ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
B
Bruce Hagen
Guest
"ju.c" wrote in message
news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
>
I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping block.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
>
I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping block.
--
Bruce Hagen
MS-MVP [Mail]
Imperial Beach, CA
G
generic_user@usenet.com
Guest
On Mon, 31 May 2010 21:19:19 -0700, "ju.c"
wrote:
>The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
>Goodbye everybody!
>
>
>ju.c
>
How come the BAD things in life never come to an end, such as
MICROSOFT....
I'd really like to hear that MS came to an end.
It's after midnight on 6-1-10. I wonder if this will still get
posted?
wrote:
>The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
>Goodbye everybody!
>
>
>ju.c
>
How come the BAD things in life never come to an end, such as
MICROSOFT....
I'd really like to hear that MS came to an end.
It's after midnight on 6-1-10. I wonder if this will still get
posted?
V
VanguardLH
Guest
ju.c wrote:
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
> Goodbye everybody!
Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and killed
off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
> Goodbye everybody!
Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and killed
off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
D
Daave
Guest
VanguardLH wrote:
> ju.c wrote:
>
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>> Goodbye everybody!
>
> Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
> newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and
> killed off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
+1
> ju.c wrote:
>
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>> Goodbye everybody!
>
> Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
> newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and
> killed off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
+1
J
Joan Archer
Guest
Ah I didn't know you cared
--
Joan Archer
http://crossstitcher.webs.com/
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
news:#CSKIVUALHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Shall we send flowers or...?
>
> PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life
> (unless
> you're a bug).
>
> PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too
>
> ju.c wrote:
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>
--
Joan Archer
http://crossstitcher.webs.com/
"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote in message
news:#CSKIVUALHA.348@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl...
> Shall we send flowers or...?
>
> PS: Hopefully you'll learn to pay closer attention in your next life
> (unless
> you're a bug).
>
> PPS: Take the ghosts with you, too
>
> ju.c wrote:
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>
D
Db
Guest
ta da:
what is good or bad
is subjective.
ta ta.
--
--
db·´¯`·...¸>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
"ju.c" wrote in message
news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
>
what is good or bad
is subjective.
ta ta.
--
--
db·´¯`·...¸>
DatabaseBen, Retired Professional
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
This NNTP newsgroup is evolving to:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
"ju.c" wrote in message
news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>
> Goodbye everybody!
>
>
> ju.c
>
J
James Silverton
Guest
Bruce wrote on Mon, 31 May 2010 21:48:33 -0700:
> "ju.c" wrote in message
> news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to
>> an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>> ju.c
>>
>I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping
>block.
I read your post on news.eternal-september.org and I wonder what is the
MS schedule for trying to remove m.p. groups? M.p.excel.charting, .
...misc and m.p.outlookexpress.general on msnews.microsoft.com all have
posts dated 6/1/10
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
> "ju.c" wrote in message
> news:eOwDeGUALHA.5808@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to
>> an end.
>>
>> Goodbye everybody!
>>
>> ju.c
>>
>I don't have a schedule, but this group is not on the 6/1 chopping
>block.
I read your post on news.eternal-september.org and I wonder what is the
MS schedule for trying to remove m.p. groups? M.p.excel.charting, .
...misc and m.p.outlookexpress.general on msnews.microsoft.com all have
posts dated 6/1/10
--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland
Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
D
DE
Guest
VanguardLH wrote:
> ju.c wrote:
>
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>> Goodbye everybody!
>
> Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
> newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and killed
> off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
"You don't need or use this anymore. And just to be sure, we're going
to make it as difficult as possible for you to use this anymore. Then,
when people stop using it because we've made it next-to-impossible and
too obscure for the average person to keep using it, we'll have proven
how right we were that nobody needs or uses it anymore."
NNTP is robust and does so much that web-based forums simply can't do,
including sorting at the click of a button, and having easy-to-follow
multi-threaded "conversations" (Google has killed the word "thread", sorry.)
*sigh*
It's all that messy disruptive "free speech" that really works against
the perfectly-fine very-usable NNTP.
Do go thank the AG of N.Y. for that very first tipped domino -- 9 bits
of porn over thousands of newsgroups causing all the major ISPs to drop
their news servers, followed on by corporations concluding that since
Usenet is "dead" (or, more aptly, slain) newsgroups have become
irrelevant now that they are so difficult for the average person to access.
> ju.c wrote:
>
>> The worst lesson of life is that all good things must come to an end.
>> Goodbye everybody!
>
> Your choice. The rest of us will continue posting here in this same
> newsgroup long after Microsoft has dropped their NNTP server and killed
> off their webnews gateway to Usenet.
"You don't need or use this anymore. And just to be sure, we're going
to make it as difficult as possible for you to use this anymore. Then,
when people stop using it because we've made it next-to-impossible and
too obscure for the average person to keep using it, we'll have proven
how right we were that nobody needs or uses it anymore."
NNTP is robust and does so much that web-based forums simply can't do,
including sorting at the click of a button, and having easy-to-follow
multi-threaded "conversations" (Google has killed the word "thread", sorry.)
*sigh*
It's all that messy disruptive "free speech" that really works against
the perfectly-fine very-usable NNTP.
Do go thank the AG of N.Y. for that very first tipped domino -- 9 bits
of porn over thousands of newsgroups causing all the major ISPs to drop
their news servers, followed on by corporations concluding that since
Usenet is "dead" (or, more aptly, slain) newsgroups have become
irrelevant now that they are so difficult for the average person to access.
G
Greg Russell
Guest
"VanguardLH" wrote in message
news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
> DE wrote:
> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
servers.
Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
> DE wrote:
> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
servers.
Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
J
John John - MVP
Guest
Greg Russell wrote:
> "VanguardLH" wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:
>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
Of course the high speed lines and the static addresses are also free...
everything Linux is free when someone else pays...
> "VanguardLH" wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:
>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
Of course the high speed lines and the static addresses are also free...
everything Linux is free when someone else pays...
V
VanguardLH
Guest
Greg Russell wrote:
> "VanguardLH" wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:
>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
redundant hosts still fail.
When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.
> "VanguardLH" wrote in message
> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>> DE wrote:
>
>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>
> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
> servers.
>
> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
redundant hosts still fail.
When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.
P
Paul
Guest
VanguardLH wrote:
> Greg Russell wrote:
>
>> "VanguardLH" wrote in message
>> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> DE wrote:
>>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
>> servers.
>>
>> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
>> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
>> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
>
> Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
> to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
> newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
> every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
> concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
> connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
> costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
> forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
> on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
> hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
> recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
> redundant hosts still fail.
>
> When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
> someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
> limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1814
"During September 2008, Giganews completed storage upgrades which increased
retention levels to 240 days," Giganews reports. "Shortly thereafter,
Giganews' upload traffic jumped to a sustained level averaging well over
400 megabits per second, representing more than 4.3 terabytes of new user
generated content and discussions per day. Giganews has seen steady upload
growth throughout the decade, but the pace following the recent storage
upgrade exceeded all expectations."
http://www.giganews.com/news/article/newsfeed-growth.html
If we stored 4.3 terabytes per day, for 240 days, that would be
roughly 1000 TB, or (500) 2TB hard drives worth of storage.
Now, if they eliminated binary groups, that would make a big big difference.
There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
Paul
> Greg Russell wrote:
>
>> "VanguardLH" wrote in message
>> news:hu9ole$814$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> DE wrote:
>>> Without the binary groups, the commercial NSPs couldn't
>>> stay in business (well, definitely not at their current pricing levels).
>> Of course that's only true for those ISPs that rely on M$-based NNTP
>> servers.
>>
>> Setting-up and operating a Unix/Linux NNTP server, regardless of number of
>> newsgroups, is trivial. The only issue there is storage capacity for the
>> past x days, and the cost of that is also currently trivial.
>
> Disk space is trivial? Do you realize how much disk space is required
> to provide for a retention of, say, half a year for all those binary
> newsgroups? Oh, and you must think that bandwidth is trivial in that
> every NSP has an infinitely size pipe to their servers without any
> concern over having to refuse connections or severely throttling the
> connections. Both disk space and bandwidth is limited. Getting more
> costs more. Yeah, it's trivial to you because you aren't the one
> forking out the money for both. Also, it isn't just linear disk space
> on one server but having to get and setup RAID to allow hot-swapping and
> hardware recovery along with redundant servers to provide service
> recovery. And then you have all those backups in case the hardware and
> redundant hosts still fail.
>
> When I'm speaking of commercial NSPs, I'm certainly not talking about
> someone setting up a Linux host in their basement connected using a
> limited bandwidth with no hardware or service recovery.
http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1814
"During September 2008, Giganews completed storage upgrades which increased
retention levels to 240 days," Giganews reports. "Shortly thereafter,
Giganews' upload traffic jumped to a sustained level averaging well over
400 megabits per second, representing more than 4.3 terabytes of new user
generated content and discussions per day. Giganews has seen steady upload
growth throughout the decade, but the pace following the recent storage
upgrade exceeded all expectations."
http://www.giganews.com/news/article/newsfeed-growth.html
If we stored 4.3 terabytes per day, for 240 days, that would be
roughly 1000 TB, or (500) 2TB hard drives worth of storage.
Now, if they eliminated binary groups, that would make a big big difference.
There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
Paul
L
Leythos
Guest
In article , nospam@needed.com says...
> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
>
But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've been
here since 88.
--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
>
But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've been
here since 88.
--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
G
Greg Russell
Guest
In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
Leythos typed:
>> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
>
> But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
> been here since 88.
Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.
All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
any and all nntp clients.
Leythos typed:
>> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
>
> But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
> been here since 88.
Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.
All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
any and all nntp clients.
L
Leythos
Guest
In article , grussell@example.con
says...
>
> In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
> Leythos typed:
>
> >> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
> >
> > But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
> > been here since 88.
>
> Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.
>
> All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
> into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
> quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
> any and all nntp clients.
I normally KF the free groups posts as well as Google Groups posts.
--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
says...
>
> In news:MPG.267309d3c2351c998a3b5@us.news.astraweb.com,
> Leythos typed:
>
> >> There wouldn't be a business model, if there were no binaries.
> >
> > But Usenet would be a better place, at least in my opinion and I've
> > been here since 88.
>
> Agreed, even though it's been since '89 for me.
>
> All those whiners that don't know how to setup their own nntp server to tap
> into multiple free upstream providers to get the newsgroups they want should
> quitcherbitchin and use http://individual.net for a simple 10 Euro/year from
> any and all nntp clients.
I normally KF the free groups posts as well as Google Groups posts.
--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
spam999free@rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
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