OT Maybe. Intel S5000XVN Motherboard

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Bob AZ

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I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN
Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I
will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print
them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about
which processors.

Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is
anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the
Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.

Does the board really need an extended ATX case.

Thanks for any assistance.
Bob AZ
 
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philo

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"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
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> I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN
> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I
> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print
> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about
> which processors.
>
> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is
> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the
> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.
>
> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
> Bob AZ



I took a look a brief look at the specs and though I'm sure it will be a
great setup...
It may be a more expensive system than you need. That's a server class two
cpu board.

You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be sufficient to
run Photoshop
extremely well.

The board you are looking at probably has more features/functions than you
need .


For the amount of money you are willing to spend...
maybe the question you should be asking is:

Would I be better off with a quad core CPU?

Maybe someone here is lucky enough to run Photoshop on a quad core CPU could
comment further.
 
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Charlie Russel - MVP

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if it says it needs extended ATX, it needs it. Certainly most dual CPU
boards do.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
news:96048f4e-6145-4739-993d-52ee7c80d0ac@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN
> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I
> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print
> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about
> which processors.
>
> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is
> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the
> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.
>
> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
> Bob AZ
 
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Tom Lake

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"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
news:96048f4e-6145-4739-993d-52ee7c80d0ac@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN
> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I
> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print
> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about
> which processors.
>
> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is
> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the
> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.
>
> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
> Bob AZ


Look on your ISP's News Server (or any one other than the Microsoft News
Server)
There's a group called intel.motherboards which should be able to help you.

Tom Lake
 
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hobbitville

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On 10/26/2008 4:04 PM, Bob AZ wrote:
> I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN
> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I
> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print
> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about
> which processors.
>
> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is
> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the
> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.
>
> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
> Bob AZ


Apple uses basically the same for their Mac Pro.
Xeon Penryn 2.8GHz 4 or 8-core. While CS3 doesn't benefit from 8-cores,
"Snow Leopard" 10.6 and CS5 for Mac will, and it does help
to have the 4-cores and memory to burn if you work on large files.

http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/s5000xvn/

Skulltrail Xeon Penryn or Nehalem based systems.
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15647

CS4 64-bit.
http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/adobe-creative-suite-4-first-look-20080923/

http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37643/128/
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/15571
 
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roman modic

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Hello!

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
news:96048f4e-6145-4739-993d-52ee7c80d0ac@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>I have almost made a final decision to use an Intel S5000XVN
> Motherboard for a computer that I will use for Digital Photography. I
> will download the images from my DSLR, edit the images and then print
> them on an Epson 4800 Printer. I also need to make a decision about
> which processors.
>
> Is there any forum where Intel S5000XVN boards are discussed? Is


Ohoho, you are planning to build an eight-core beast ... Here is
some information (they use two X5365 )

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/527/2/

CPU mentioned above is "Clovertown" - fortunately newer "Harpertown"
is supported (only FSB 1333 MHz, not 1600!):

http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/sb/CS-022346.htm
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=453491
That's "fun" ... Intel's 5000x chipset, which equips the "old" Mac Pros DOES
support
Happertown CPUs (at least the ones with bus speed <= 1333 MHz) ...
For instance, if you look at intel's web site you'll see that they recently
provided an
update for their S5000XVN card, which uses similar hardware than the rev1
Mac Pro
.... and it supports Happertown CPUs

> anyone here using one for digital photography? I have looked at the
> Intel site and Emailed them but there replies are not helpful.


Here is a test of HP xw8600 workstation which compares
Harpertown vs. Clovertown, Vista vs. XP and Adobe Effects ...
http://www.studiodaily.com/main/technology/pvr/9139.html

> Does the board really need an extended ATX case.


http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/397828.aspx
Moral of the story for anyone who is considering this board: Do not buy
it unless you plan on buying Intel's server/workstation chassis as well.
It seems that those have some connectors for thermal sensors that regulate
the fan speeds. Why would a company sell a motherboard separately if it
was not going to work with other chassis...is beyond me.

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/PID-MX16321(ME).aspx
Specifically designed for and validated with Intel® Workstation Board
S5000XVN

(Here is lovely Powerpoint presentation:
http://www.ezcom.co.kr/PDS/UndrArchSC5299.ppt :)

And finally:
http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.3c05dbcc/3

HTH, Roman

P.S. How much RAM do you plan to install?
 
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Bob AZ

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> HTH, Roman
>
> P.S. How much RAM do you plan to install?


Roman

Initially I plan to install 8GB using 1 GB sticks.

I did notice an add in todays paper for some very good pricing for 4GB
sticks but I will stay with 1GB sticks. Were 2 and 4GB sticks readilly
available locally I would consider larger capacity sticks but for now
I will do with 1GBs.

Thanks to you and all the others for the replies. I will print out
everything and do more research and shopping.

Bob AZ
 
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Charlie Russel - MVP

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If you run a pair of quad core processors with 8 GB of RAM in 8 sticks,
you're going to set yourself up for bad performance. You're basically
assigning each processor only 1 GB, which won't give it a whole lot of
working room.

For a dual quad core system, I wouldn't run less than 16 GB to get full
utilization.

--
Charlie.
http://msmvps.com/blogs/xperts64
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/charlie.russel

"Bob AZ" <rwatson767@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>> HTH, Roman
>>
>> P.S. How much RAM do you plan to install?

>
> Roman
>
> Initially I plan to install 8GB using 1 GB sticks.
>
> I did notice an add in todays paper for some very good pricing for 4GB
> sticks but I will stay with 1GB sticks. Were 2 and 4GB sticks readilly
> available locally I would consider larger capacity sticks but for now
> I will do with 1GBs.
>
> Thanks to you and all the others for the replies. I will print out
> everything and do more research and shopping.
>
> Bob AZ
>
 
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roman modic

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Hello!

"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be sufficient
> to
> run Photoshop
> extremely well.
>


But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml
Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.

Regards, Roman
 
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Bob AZ

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> If you run a pair of quad core processors with 8 GB of RAM in 8 sticks,
> you're going to set yourself up for bad performance. You're basically
> assigning each processor only 1 GB, which won't give it a whole lot of
> working room.
>
> For a dual quad core system, I wouldn't run less than 16 GB to get full
> utilization.
>


Charlie

I hade not made any firm plans for the processor(s) except that I felt
that the Quad Processors were overkill. Also that by limiting the
processors to Dual Processors I would not be pushing the capacity of
the board. (I did not think of memory size in relation to the amount
of memory per processor.)

I do have to make a decision as to which dual core processors. Intel
is not very defined about this and I need to be more informed. This
will take some time.

The response to my query has been much appreciated and I have read
most of the rererences. I am in the midst of my busy season with
photography and photo printing so I will not have a lot of time to get
a new system installed and still keep up with my photography.

So unless I get more response from Intel I will wait until the CES
show in January to talk to them before making my purchase.

Take care
Bob AZ
 
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hobbitville

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On 10/29/2008 12:31 PM, roman modic wrote:
> Hello!
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:u0VO0R7NJHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>
>> You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be
>> sufficient to
>> run Photoshop
>> extremely well.
>>

>
> But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)
>
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml
>
> Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.
>
>
> Regards, Roman
>


With Nehalem so close, I would forget earlier chips and motherboards.

Nehalem bag of tricks -
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14950
http://techreport.com/discussions.x/14361
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/05/30/nehalem-and-x58-show-up-in-taipei/1
http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/cpu/what-you-need-to-know-about-nehalem.ars

A look at Nehalem technical details
http://realworldtech.com/page.cfm?ArticleID=RWT040208182719

Memory bandwidth 2008 Penryn Mac Pro made a huge improvement over
Clovertown and Woodcrest
http://www.barefeats.com/harper3.html

Xeon requires FBDIMM memory and it will be interesting to see how well
DDR3 and built-in memory controller improves things.

Photoshop CS3 + Harpertown on Mac Pro 2008 (early Leopard OS X 10.5)
http://www.barefeats.com/harper.html

Older Apple Mac Pro 2007's 4-core vs 8-core, Photoshop performance
http://www.barefeats.com/octopro3.html

I have seen people complain about low memory bandwidth and thrashing,
but never seen any indication there even is any relation to number of
cores to amount of memory, or ratio of one to the other, maybe its an
issue with systems other than Mac OS X 10.4 or .5.

If your files get to 1GB and larger, then definitely more RAM.

Of course CS4 is now 64-bit app (will take a major rewrite so Mac won't
get 64-bit version until it is ported to Cocoa and Snow Leopard). And it
seems CS4 isn't all its cracked up to be...

.... opening and saving a file with Photoshop CS4 remain a
single-threaded task. ... when enabling Open GL drawing in CS4, supposed
to speed rendering, it was actually slowing it down!
http://www.hardmac.com/news/2008-10-30/#9097
http://diglloyd.com/diglloyd/2008-10-blog.html#_20081025AdobeCS4OpenGL
 
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philo

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"roman modic" <modicr@astral-it.com> wrote in message
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> Hello!
>
> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:u0VO0R7NJHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> >
> > You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be

sufficient
> > to
> > run Photoshop
> > extremely well.
> >

>
> But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)
>
> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml
>
> Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.
>
>
> Regards, Roman
>


that's nothing

I built a machine for a friend of mine, who is afraid to collapse his layers
as he
always thinks he may want to change some minor detail.
he creates HUGE photo-montages that are up in the 1 gigabyte range.

The single core CPU does the job, but yes, it is very slow to say the least.

Though a dual core is sufficient...
I think a single quad core cpu would be enough.

However I'd really want to ask around to see if
two, quad core cpu's would really be worth it...
though I do say that Photoshop is definitely CPU intensive...
 
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Dominic Payer

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If you are working with Photoshop files of this size you should be thinking
of fast DDR3 memory as well as quad core, otherwise the cores will be
waiting for data when the image is regenerated.



PS CS4 uses the graphics card for some operations, so you should also
consider graphics cards with 768MB-1GB.



See



64-bit Operating System benefits and limitations in Photoshop CS4 (Windows)

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb404901&sliceId=2



GPU and OpenGL Features and Limitations in Photoshop CS4

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb404898



GPU accelerated features in Photoshop CS4 and Bridge CS4

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewContent.do?externalId=kb405745&sliceId=2






"philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
> "roman modic" <modicr@astral-it.com> wrote in message
> news:OSgneweOJHA.2060@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> Hello!
>>
>> "philo" <philo@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:u0VO0R7NJHA.3876@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> >
>> > You do not need two cpu's...because a *dual core* CPU will be

> sufficient
>> > to
>> > run Photoshop
>> > extremely well.
>> >

>>
>> But what if you work with 65 megapixel files? :)
>>
>> http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/p65-announced.shtml
>>
>> Also, 360MB 16 bit files are non-trivial to work with, to be sure.
>>
>>
>> Regards, Roman
>>

>
> that's nothing
>
> I built a machine for a friend of mine, who is afraid to collapse his
> layers
> as he
> always thinks he may want to change some minor detail.
> he creates HUGE photo-montages that are up in the 1 gigabyte range.
>
> The single core CPU does the job, but yes, it is very slow to say the
> least.
>
> Though a dual core is sufficient...
> I think a single quad core cpu would be enough.
>
> However I'd really want to ask around to see if
> two, quad core cpu's would really be worth it...
> though I do say that Photoshop is definitely CPU intensive...
>
>
>
 
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